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Old October 19th, 2017, 09:30 PM   #19701
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Council want SEVEN high speed trains per hour
at Crewe Station in bold HS2 bid



http://www.crewechronicle.co.uk/news...s-per-13783401

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Old October 19th, 2017, 09:54 PM   #19702
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If you look at the actual ticket costs from for instance Warrington BQ or Central which is about £5 at its cheapest or £10 at any useful time and the additional time of just about 1 hour would negate anybody doing what you suggest is the case, as the £5 you save on the express train is spent on the train getting into Lime street but it takes an hour to do it.
Or they could use another mode of transport (bus/car) to get onto the train for £17 at Runcorn station. Hadn't thought of that had you?

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The on the day ticket prices from Warrington BQ and Lime street are the same.
Yes, but so what? Few people in their right mind buy such tickets on the day unless it is a 'distress' purchase.

Just looked tomorrow, Friday 20th October, singles from Bank Quay. All train options between 10.16 and 16.39, both direct and with one change are £82.90 (standard) or £82.00 (advance) in standard.

Runcorn offers much, much better options!!! Link here:
http://ojp.nationalrail.co.uk/servic...orrow/1000/dep

Obviously that link is time limited. This for posterity is the last bit: /EUS/tomorrow/1000/depice/timesandfares/RUN/EUS/tomorrow/1000/dep

10.03 - First Class advance £76.00
11.03 - Standard advance £38.50
12.03 - Standard advance £38.50
13.03 - Standard advance £28.00
14.03 - Standard advance £28.00
15.03 - Standard advance £28.00
16.03 - Standard advance £38.50
17.03 - Standard advance £38.50

Overwhelming proof that there are far more seats from Runcorn and that the prices (checked just 15 hours before 10am) are far cheaper than from Warrington. Anything to say about this proof - obtained straight from NRE?

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Havent you been banned in the past for making such personal attacks in the past? You really need to stop letting your emotion control your language, its just a discussion Vulcan! .
More nonsense and quite offensive on your part TBH - this username is the one I joined SSC with in 2012 and I've never used another. You seem to be more confused than ever before - the guy who was banned (and who has returned to the board under another name) was Ennissc - who I was replying to under his new troll identity. Which is: Merswy. Have you got that?

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Manchester does indeed provide twice the number of passengers however it gets triple the amount of services. There is a disparity there that even you cant fail to see when layed down like that, surely?
Triple? Come back to me when you learn to do basic maths. There are 17 direct trains from Liverpool and 46 from Manchester. The ratio is 1 to 2.7, not 1 to 3.

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I just went onto nationalrail website, a plugged in a random date of 23/11/17 and a time of between 8 and 9 in the morning. (chosen just because it is in about a months time)

A train from Liverpool - Euston leaving at 08:40 costs £43
A train from Manchester- Euston leaving at 08:40 costs £38.50.
This is seemingly a blatant lie on your part. Thursday 23rd November, there is no train to Euston departing Liverpool at 08.40. Did you think I wouldn't bother to check your dubious 'facts'?

The next train is at 08.47 and the advance fare is - guess what? - £38.50.

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Old October 19th, 2017, 11:28 PM   #19703
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To be scientific I just looked ahead on NRE at all Fridays in November (03rd/10th/17th/24th), direct Virgin trains to Euston, departures between 10am and 3.59 pm. Not that there were any cheaper fares on offer by changing.

Runcorn - every Friday the cheapest advance was £28.00 (multiple trains).

Warrington BQ - every Friday the cheapest advance was £41.00 (multiple trains).

Not sure if there are ever fares under £41.00 at these times from Warrington (there are cheaper evening tickets). If there are they must sell out well in advance.

So...undeniable proof that Warrington is always more expensive than Runcorn for off-peak day trip passengers to London.
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Old October 19th, 2017, 11:38 PM   #19704
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That Crewe station seems a little bit overbaked, but perhaps not in time... will it be Stratford International or Lille Europe? A train station with a town attached...
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Old October 19th, 2017, 11:47 PM   #19705
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That Crewe station seems a little bit overbaked, but perhaps not in time... will it be Stratford International or Lille Europe? A train station with a town attached...


That's rather harsh on Lille. Lille lobbied very hard when the LGV to the tunnel was being planned to have the line pass through their city rather than Amiens. It may have helped their mayor at the time was related to someone fairly influential
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Old October 20th, 2017, 12:03 AM   #19706
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Council want SEVEN high speed trains per hour
at Crewe Station in bold HS2 bid



http://www.crewechronicle.co.uk/news...s-per-13783401
I see Rachel Bailey wants three trains an hour to London, Brum and Manchester. Yes, possibly to London using the 18th path - but highly unlikely it would make financial sense to Manchester. HS2 is not really about serving two locations that are so close together, Crewe only gets that benefit by default.

I note also they are assuming a 20-minute journey time to Manchester, but that is clearly a non-stop timing (for roughly 32 miles). In reality I bet both will stop at the airport and the trains will take 25 minutes. Which is still good, but not earth shattering.
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Old October 20th, 2017, 12:49 AM   #19707
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Crewe could also be on the NPR network if, for example, the Birmingham trains to Manchester were incorporated into that network?
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Old October 20th, 2017, 12:57 AM   #19708
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I see Rachel Bailey wants three trains an hour to London, Brum and Manchester. Yes, possibly to London using the 18th path - but highly unlikely it would make financial sense to Manchester. HS2 is not really about serving two locations that are so close together, Crewe only gets that benefit by default.
The north-chord proposal has 8 (not 7 that the article has) departures that rejoin a high speed line: 3 Birmingham, 2 Manchester, 2 London and 1 Lancaster

1tph: London - Liverpool / Preston (via Warrington)
1tph: London - Liverpool / Lancaster (avoid Warrington)
1tph: Birmingham - Scotland
2tph: Birmingham - Manchester

Mayhaps a London-Manchester train could stop to give the 3tph to 3 metropolises, but the question has to be 'why?'. Half-hourly functions as TUAG on intercity routes, and there would still be at least 1 ICWC (Chester/North Wales) to and from London, as well as the Manchester-Cardiff train, and possibly another fast train to Manchester from Crewe.
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That Crewe station seems a little bit overbaked, but perhaps not in time... will it be Stratford International or Lille Europe? A train station with a town attached...
The area around Stratford International is busy except for the station itself. The DLR stop has 3.195 million passengers, the International station has 1.632 million (ie about half that) - and the DLR station goes an odd way.

Crewe has, to some extent, been a railway hub with a decent-sized (but not huge - about 75k) town attached, and HS2 wouldn't change that much - it's not going to explode. However, station upgrades wouldn't be a white elephant as the station has 2.843 million entering/exiting and 1.368 million interchanging now, and the aim is to make it even more of a hub.
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Problem with 3 TPH an hour from Crewe to London is that to be useful they need to be spaced roughly every 20 minutes apart. And that creates uneven spacing on the Liverpool services (a potential 40-minute gap) - which is unfair to the larger market and causes loading issues. Far from ideal.

As for stopping Manchester to Euston trains, the existing phase 2 service pattern implies 67/72/77 minute timings. So which one do you slow by a further 7 minutes without creating yet another loading issue?
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Is Preston/Preston Parkway in the future always going to be a better place than Crewe to stop some future HS2 trains, to and from Scotland?

It IS half-way in distance, but is Crewe a better market?
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Key issues with Stratford International is that there's nothing international about it and that to get to Stratford regional you have to walk out, walk into the DLR across the road, and then get that to Stratford itself and negotiate the complexity of that station before finally getting on a line going somewhere. It's a nightmare of a station as far as connections are concerned. It's fine if you're coming from Kent to go to Westfield but other than that far easier to stay on until St Pancras and then relatively seamlessly getting onto the tube from there. A wholesale redevelopment of Stratford regional would certainly help, and is long overdue, given that Stratford regional is on current stats 6th busiest station in the country which may well be 5th or 4th when the new stats are released in December.
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Old October 20th, 2017, 09:55 AM   #19712
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Do you not understand that Virgin runs both 9 and 11-car pendolinos to all destinations? To even begin to calculate the available seats to each city you need to know exactly how many seats are on offer. It is obvious you have no concept of fleet diagrams, never mind having any access to them.

All this is just your personal opinion based on zero evidence. After phase 2 opens the number of seats each hour to/from Manchester will be a choice of: a) 1,584, b) 2112, c) 2,640 or d) 3,168. This figure can be adjusted according to demand (I doubt 3,168 will be needed for many years). The comparable figure for Liverpool will be 1,056 with 2TPH.

At quiet times the Liverpool trains are likely to be emptier.

You do talk some right nonsense. No-one will be forced to do anything or made to go one way. Current users of Stockport may catch the train to Piccadilly or Crewe to join HS2 or they may wish to drive to the new HS2 airport station instead. Current users of Wilmslow may catch the train to Crewe or drive to the nearby new HS2 airport station instead.

Seriously? You consider in excess of 4 million passengers using Piccadilly and Stockport as 'low'?
Vulcan when I first did the calculations over a year ago I used all 9 car trains and the amount of seats still far exceeded the demand.
I know train diagraming, probably a lot better than you imagine I do and probably a lot better than you do. So dont try and fod me off with that load of ol crap.

It isnt nosense at all, nobody will be forced to do anything, they wont even be forced to take a train.
However the way it will be setup will mean any passengers at Wimslow and Stockport are far better off catching the short train ride into Manchester (in part to bolster the numbers from there) because the sooner you get onto the express service the better. And people know that. That they might use the airport station is just using Man Picc by proxy.

Between Piccadilly and Stockport you see 4 million, between Liverpool South Parkway and Hunts cross you see over 3 million.
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Old October 20th, 2017, 10:15 AM   #19713
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Or they could use another mode of transport (bus/car) to get onto the train for £17 at Runcorn station. Hadn't thought of that had you?

Yes, but so what? Few people in their right mind buy such tickets on the day unless it is a 'distress' purchase.

Just looked tomorrow, Friday 20th October, singles from Bank Quay. All train options between 10.16 and 16.39, both direct and with one change are £82.90 (standard) or £82.00 (advance) in standard.

Runcorn offers much, much better options!!! Link here:
http://ojp.nationalrail.co.uk/servic...orrow/1000/dep

Obviously that link is time limited. This for posterity is the last bit: /EUS/tomorrow/1000/depice/timesandfares/RUN/EUS/tomorrow/1000/dep

10.03 - First Class advance £76.00
11.03 - Standard advance £38.50
12.03 - Standard advance £38.50
13.03 - Standard advance £28.00
14.03 - Standard advance £28.00
15.03 - Standard advance £28.00
16.03 - Standard advance £38.50
17.03 - Standard advance £38.50

Overwhelming proof that there are far more seats from Runcorn and that the prices (checked just 15 hours before 10am) are far cheaper than from Warrington. Anything to say about this proof - obtained straight from NRE?

More nonsense and quite offensive on your part TBH - this username is the one I joined SSC with in 2012 and I've never used another. You seem to be more confused than ever before - the guy who was banned (and who has returned to the board under another name) was Ennissc - who I was replying to under his new troll identity. Which is: Merswy. Have you got that?

Triple? Come back to me when you learn to do basic maths. There are 17 direct trains from Liverpool and 46 from Manchester. The ratio is 1 to 2.7, not 1 to 3.

This is seemingly a blatant lie on your part. Thursday 23rd November, there is no train to Euston departing Liverpool at 08.40. Did you think I wouldn't bother to check your dubious 'facts'?

The next train is at 08.47 and the advance fare is - guess what? - £38.50.
Why use Warrington BQ and Runcorn as an example? Couldnt you find any prices to suit your bulls*it argument using Lime street and Piccadilly?

All you searching around has only really shown that on none sale fare tickets they have price parity with each other, which in itself shows you are wrong. The only examples you come up with are about completely different stations, Bank Quay and Runcorn. If you are going to talk about the difference in prices between Manchester and Liverpool then its best to use those two places to find prices dont you think? Otherwise you might just as well compare Runcorn to Preston, or Sheffield even.

Manchester gets 3tph
Liverpool gets 1tph

The difference is 3 to 1 Vulcan, thats pretty basic math even for you.

The way you come up with 2.7 is taking the figure over all, which is great in politics but doesnt really pass muster in the real with where we can see the spin for what it is. When was the last time you caught .7 of a fcuking train!
When you chat figures like that it just makes you look desperate by hiding in the figures.
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Why use Warrington BQ and Runcorn as an example? Couldnt you find any prices to suit your bulls*it argument using Lime street and Piccadilly?

All you searching around has only really shown that on none sale fare tickets they have price parity with each other, which in itself shows you are wrong. The only examples you come up with are about completely different stations, Bank Quay and Runcorn. If you are going to talk about the difference in prices between Manchester and Liverpool then its best to use those two places to find prices dont you think? Otherwise you might just as well compare Runcorn to Preston, or Sheffield even.

Manchester gets 3tph
Liverpool gets 1tph

The difference is 3 to 1 Vulcan, thats pretty basic math even for you.

The way you come up with 2.7 is taking the figure over all, which is great in politics but doesnt really pass muster in the real with where we can see the spin for what it is. When was the last time you caught .7 of a fcuking train!
When you chat figures like that it just makes you look desperate by hiding in the figures.
Why did you blatantly lie in the original post?
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Old October 20th, 2017, 07:29 PM   #19715
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Why did you blatantly lie in the original post?
I didnt, not deliberatly, I just have no proof that I didnt. There was a £43 ticket
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Why use Warrington BQ and Runcorn as an example? Couldnt you find any prices to suit your bulls*it argument using Lime street and Piccadilly?
I could easily compare Piccadilly and Lime Street, in fact I did so recently. The result is the cheapest fare from Lime St is currently £17 - the cheapest from Piccadilly is £22. In other words Liverpool's fares are now 23% cheaper at the lowest end of the scale.

Runcorn and Warrington however are often regarded as 'interchangable' by the members of your sub-forum who hate Runcorn. So I showed the reality of how the cheaper fares from Runcorn are attracting passengers..

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All you searching around has only really shown that on none sale fare tickets they have price parity with each other, which in itself shows you are wrong.
'None sale fare tickets' - WTF are you going on about? Seriously, you are embarrassing yourself with stuff like that. It is gibberish.


Now I've provided real world verifiable examples on specific dates that showed a big difference in advance ticket prices, which would clearly lead many price-sensitive passengers to choose Runcorn - when they have the option / means to use either station.

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Manchester gets 3tph
Liverpool gets 1tph

The difference is 3 to 1 Vulcan, thats pretty basic math even for you.
Even a schoolkid could work out that claim is wrong. Yes at many points in the day it is 3 to 1, but not before 9am on a weekday (when there are five departures within the space of 3hrs 21 minutes until 08.47 ) and also in the evening when it can be 2 trains from Manchester and 1 train from Liverpool.

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The way you come up with 2.7 is taking the figure over all, which is great in politics but doesnt really pass muster in the real with where we can see the spin for what it is. When was the last time you caught .7 of a fcuking train!
No wonder you are swearing, you were caught out lying - you have assumed three times the Liverpool figure (17 trains) - which is 51. But there aren't 51 trains every weekday direct from Manchester are there? The actual number is 46.

This 2.7 to 1 ratio is important because you have essentially over-stated the number of Manchester trains by 11% - and then you have the cheek to use that rubbish figure to claim you have calculated that Manchester's trains are less busy than Liverpool's. As with any calculation, sh*t in means sh*t out! Either that 3 to 1 is a deliberate lie, or alternatively you are hopelessly inept at adding up, totally out of your depth. So which is it?

In addition, please explain to me 'Electrosoldier' ;

1) Your deliberate invention of an imaginary express train running from Lime St to Euston at 08.40 on Thursday 23rd November.
2) Your deliberate invention of an imaginary £43 Virgin advance fare from Lime Street which does not exist for any train around that time, real or not.

I come back to that post you made a few years ago, swearing blind that there was an option of catching an early morning train from Warrington BQ to Euston - and saying you had done so. I demonstrated to you several times that the service you mentioned was actually the Scotrail operated sleeper and although it might sometimes stop at Bank Quay to change crews it clearly did not unlock the doors to allow seated fare paying passengers to enter/leave - because it was not a timetabled departure from Warrington.

I even showed you that the Sleeper operators at the time (First Scotrail) had no available fares for Warrington journeys. I provided the online seat reservation link and pointed out that the drop-down menu did not give Warrington BQ as an option. And finally I stated there would be no legal contract in place for Warrington platform staff working for another TOC to dispatch the Scotrail operated train, which were formed of British Rail carriage types that they were not trained to deal with.

Yet over and over again you fudged your answers, although I had clearly shown that you had made up these supposed 21st century journeys you claimed to have made before 5am from Warrington to London. You are a serial fantasist. You don't seem to be able to tell the difference between facts and your imagination. I've tried giving you the benefit of the doubt before but your recent posts show me that I shouldn't have.

On another point, if you have access to Virgin's class 390/0 and 390/1 weekday diagrams then prove it! Let's see some examples. Otherwise I'll assume that is yet another fabrication on your part.
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This astroturfer Numpty is still pushing his paymasters official HS2 line. If Runcorn is essential then Liverpool stays on the WCML spur, which is official planning and policy.

Why are you all arguing with this dope?

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I didnt, not deliberatly, I just have no proof that I didnt. There was a £43 ticket
B*ll*cks was there.....

I've just checked national rail enquiries again for Lime St to Euston.

Thursday 16th November - Dep 08.47, £38.50 advance fare. No sign of £43.
Thursday 23rd November - Dep 08.47, £38.50 advance fare. No sign of £43.
Thursday 30th November - Dep 08.47, £38.50 advance fare. No sign of £43.

Anyone with a clue about fare yield management as practiced by Virgin Trains knows that the ticket prices never go down as the date of departure approaches - for that reason I know that you aren't being truthful. If you had seen a different fare to £38.50 then it would have been a lower fare. But of course that would have shown your claim about Manchester being cheaper at 08.40 on the 23rd November was nonsense.

You've been caught out - and your reaction is the same as my 5-yr old's when he is caught telling whoppers. I'm tired of people from your forum distorting the facts to try and prove something that clearly is bullsh*t!

Now for your education - there isn't an 08.40 train from Piccadilly either. The nearest real-world departures are 08.35 and 08.55. Now lookee at the current cheapest prices on those trains....

November 16th. £86.00 advance - both trains
November 23rd - £86.00 advance (08.35), £38.50 advance (08.55)
November 30th - £38.50 advance (08.35), £38.50 advance (08.55)

A text-book demonstration of how cheaper fare allocations work and how they sell.
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While I'm at it, I noticed that Virgin have just released the bookings for week commencing Monday 8th January 2018. The results show beyond doubt that Manchester never gets the cheap fares that Liverpool (and Runcorn) get.


Thursday 11th January 2018.

Liverpool Lime Street - Dep 08.47, £17.00 advance fare.
Manchester Piccadilly - Dep 08.35, £33.00 advance fare.
Manchester Piccadilly - Dep 08.55, £33.00 advance fare.


This information I trust shuts down this debate forever!

NRE links here:
Manchester: http://ojp.nationalrail.co.uk/servic...10118/0830/dep
Liverpool:
http://ojp.nationalrail.co.uk/servic...10118/0830/dep
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B*ll*cks was there.....

I've just checked national rail enquiries again for Lime St to Euston.

Thursday 16th November - Dep 08.47, £38.50 advance fare. No sign of £43.
Thursday 23rd November - Dep 08.47, £38.50 advance fare. No sign of £43.
Thursday 30th November - Dep 08.47, £38.50 advance fare. No sign of £43.

Anyone with a clue about fare yield management as practiced by Virgin Trains knows that the ticket prices never go down as the date of departure approaches - for that reason I know that you aren't being truthful. If you had seen a different fare to £38.50 then it would have been a lower fare. But of course that would have shown your claim about Manchester being cheaper at 08.40 on the 23rd November was nonsense.

You've been caught out - and your reaction is the same as my 5-yr old's when he is caught telling whoppers. I'm tired of people from your forum distorting the facts to try and prove something that clearly is bullsh*t!

Now for your education - there isn't an 08.40 train from Piccadilly either. The nearest real-world departures are 08.35 and 08.55. Now lookee at the current cheapest prices on those trains....

November 16th. £86.00 advance - both trains
November 23rd - £86.00 advance (08.35), £38.50 advance (08.55)
November 30th - £38.50 advance (08.35), £38.50 advance (08.55)

A text-book demonstration of how cheaper fare allocations work and how they sell.
So all this really shows is that you mislead us into thinking tickets from Manchester are more expensive when they are in fact equal. Do you were wrong.
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