SOFIA | Metro

[gogo3o]

That's completely offtopic, but Germany benefits most from the EU and the euro

I'd like to stay on topic and mods to delete the last posts from #535, including my own.

[Isek]

That s a major propaganda spread out to the world. Just look a the development of net income in Germany compared to UK, Greece, Spain and France... almost every country in the world is expanding its wealth. Here net income is more or less constant while even people working in public services have lost a lot of their income the last 20 years. Profiting from Euro? Maybe upper class people anf large companies. Simple workers or engineers ect. do really suffer on high taxes and subsidies for peripheric Europe.

Same goes for infrastructure. 20 to 30 years ago German autobahns were unbeaten. Today the network is more or less world average while Spain, Italy have overtaken Germany by far. What about public transport? Years ago Munich had a state of the art system of subway and urban rail. Today even second class (economical wise maybe even third class) European cities like Sofia have a similar systems. Spanish cities are now miles ahead. This list one may extend further and further.

[LG_]

Originally Posted by Isek

That s a major propaganda spread out to the world. Just look a the development of net income in Germany compared to UK, Greece, Spain and France... almost every country in the world is expanding its wealth. Here net income is more or less constant while even people working in public services have lost a lot of their income the last 20 years. Profiting from Euro? Maybe upper class people anf large companies. Simple workers or engineers ect. do really suffer on high taxes and subsidies for peripheric Europe.

Same goes for infrastructure. 20 to 30 years ago German autobahns were unbeaten. Today the network is more or less world average while Spain, Italy have overtaken Germany by far. What about public transport? Years ago Munich had a state of the art system of subway and urban rail. Today even second class (economical wise maybe even third class) European cities like Sofia have a similar systems. Spanish cities are now miles ahead. This list one may extend further and further.

Hi Isek, I understand your position. At this point I think we should better compare Europe as one economical unit to the Asian, Latin Amerika etc. ones. Sure is, that Europe has a problem, while Asian, Australian etc. econiomies have long exited the economical crisis. Improving the infrastructure is surely a step into the right direction. I know the eternal topic about the subsiding the poorest, but fact is that as your Kanzlerin said 7-8 years ago, when she was elected, that Bavaria itselfe did got support in the past. That the Germany's economy is profiting from the EE ist not a propaganda. It was a recent report here in Bulgaria, that all the foreign chain stores (Metro, Kaufland, Lidl, Penny, Billa etc) toghether sent around 400 mln euro abroad (mostly to Germany) each week. The big problem here is that the large companies/ upper class people/ banks and so on want to obtain their percent from the real economy (those who really create products - the simply workers) This is where improvements/changes need to be executed.

Perhaps European union makes mistakes in its policy, but cofinancing infrastructure projects in the peripheric Europe such as extending the Sofia's underground line 2 by one station is surely not a mistake!

[Sunfuns]

Originally Posted by Isek

I have to deal daily with an extremely unreliable old system over here in Munich. One of the economic and therefore tax powerhouses in Europe. No money for major improvements in the last and even into the next decade. They are ruining overall German infrastructure while they invest so much in the EU periphery. That is somehow unfair. We work 50 60 hours a week suffer on extreme taxes and still need to ride a retarded subway or commuter rail system. Streets are getting worse winter by winter BTW.

You can move to periphery if you really believe the infrastructure and life in general is better there. I'm afraid it isn't so EU money or no EU money.

[pobre diablo]

Originally Posted by Isek

That s a major propaganda spread out to the world. Just look a the development of net income in Germany compared to UK, Greece, Spain and France... almost every country in the world is expanding its wealth. Here net income is more or less constant while even people working in public services have lost a lot of their income the last 20 years. Profiting from Euro? Maybe upper class people anf large companies. Simple workers or engineers ect. do really suffer on high taxes and subsidies for peripheric Europe.

Same goes for infrastructure. 20 to 30 years ago German autobahns were unbeaten. Today the network is more or less world average while Spain, Italy have overtaken Germany by far. What about public transport? Years ago Munich had a state of the art system of subway and urban rail. Today even second class (economical wise maybe even third class) European cities like Sofia have a similar systems. Spanish cities are now miles ahead. This list one may extend further and further.

Then take it up to your politicians, not Sofia's metro.

[tunnel owl]

Originally Posted by pobre diablo

Then take it up to your politicians, not Sofia's metro.

You got the point. Munich has internal administrative problems with getting new trains for their subway on tracks. This has nothing to do with Europe. Coming back to Sofia:

Back in 1976/78 Sofia Metro began construction of a classic east-european metro triangle with three diameters but also branches at nearly all termini. This project is somewhat similar to the Munich-metro project which was also seen at a very good idea worth to adopt in the 70s. BTW, Dortmund just has a triangle Stadtbahn-system but better football-team than Munich.

Munich-metro is an almost complete network with three diameters and supported by S-Bahn. Sofia now has it´s 2nd metro-diameter without a comparable S-Bahn-service. Extensions of european metros imho are most needed in cities like Warsaw, Budapest (M5), Sofia, Naples, Rome and Athenes. Can be done nothing wrong there.

Kind regards