NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE - St. James' Park (52,405)

[wavid2009]

Originally Posted by bigchrisfgb

We have massive potential, if we were winning trophies on a regular occasion I don't see why we can't get 80k plus to games, then again there isn't many teams out there you couldn't say that about.

Newcastle are one of only a handful of teams that could sell out an 80K stadium with ease. I doubt Wolves could ever do that in the modern age nomatter how much silverware they had and the same goes for even any of the bigger London clubs.

I guarantee that if you're stadium becomes complete, Newcastle will become future champions as this support base is key, and very unusual. Considering you have THE biggest support base in the UK, that gives you twice the advantage in revenue, results, advertising and cash flow. The bigger the fan base, the more successful the club, that simple (providing the owner makes the club work itself and doesn't take the money for himself).

Newcastle are seriously underachieving, yet still get 50K in every week without even trying. In Wolverhampton there is a constant expectation which puts a negative pressure on the team whereas Newcastle don't ever seem to expect anything despite sitting on a small goldmine!

It's only a matter of time before Newcastle wake up and realise that their resources are on a different level to everybody else's. These resources will make Newcastle bigger than Man Utd could ever be. If not, there is something seriously wrong because there are no excuses.

[GunnerJacket]

Originally Posted by wavid2009

The bigger the fan base, the more successful the club, that simple.

Arsenal's fan base is considered larger than that for Chelsea or Man City, however each of those clubs has an owner with more wealth than, say, 99% of all the Toon army combined.

Fan base is key, but it is not directly proportional to club resources.

[wavid2009]

Originally Posted by GunnerJacket

Fan base is key, but it is not directly proportional to club resources.

It is funny when you look at the history of football which shows that the most successful teams are from very unfashionable areas - Liverpool, Man Utd, etc. It is no coincidence that these are clubs that are run perfectly from the top down (perhaps the proud working class thing?). Newcastle are a carbon copy of where Man Utd were 25 years ago and can see them almost copying them.

People ask me about being psychic but all it is just about intuition. For example, what does your're intuition tell you about the current most successful football clubs? It tells me that Man Utd have reached their peak in terms of fan base and all they can achieve as a city. Arsenal/Tottenham/Chelsea will only ever have a 60K fan base max and will always be the same due to the fact there are so many identical clubs in London (this doesn't help at all and is the reason why separate clubs are always the most successful).

Newcastle, however, are completely different to every one of these as they have never realised who they are or seen what they can acheive. You are still at the early stages of development and are starting from a clean sheet unlike most who have a history. Intuition says Newcastle could sell 100,000 tickets week in week out given an identical position to Man Utd and this is never wrong. Throw in a billionaire owner who will not run a club to make money for himself or spend on short term goals (like Abramovic) and you've got a stone wall winner. I consider the North a business, the South fashion. See how lucky you are?

[Harry1990]

Just looked we missed out ,Everton and west ham than the 2 seasons later UEFA sponsored the trophy and spurs beat wolves over two leagues in 1972 to win the first UEFA/Europa cup, random point did the ICFC you won In 1969 look like the current Europa league trophy ?

[Harry1990]

I still haven't decided if the wolves fan is having a dig at the perceived Newcastle big club thing ? It sounds pretty sarcastic mean claiming Newcastle are going to be bigger than man utd or Liverpool ?

[Newcastle Historian]

Originally Posted by Harry1990

random point did the ICFC you won in 1969 look like the current Europa league trophy?

For the Trophy - See the photos shown at the link in my post of yesterday . . .

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=942

Originally Posted by Newcastle Historian

1969 . . . A HISTORIC year in the
long and illustrious history of NEWCASTLE UNITED FC.












ALL of the above are actual original items from 1969.

For the Tournament - UEFA only list tournaments that are/were organised by UEFA.

The Fairs Cup wasn't organised by them, so they don't (can't) list it

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[wavid2009]

Originally Posted by Harry1990

I still haven't decided if the wolves fan is having a dig at the perceived Newcastle big club thing ? It sounds pretty sarcastic mean claiming Newcastle are going to be bigger than man utd or Liverpool ?

No, I'm not. Newcastle will be the biggest club in England come 30 years. I remember saying this 20 years ago and that I could see Newcastle playing in front of 80K fans but people just laughed. They're not laughing now.

[mullen]

i love this stadium. looked really nice on the espn american broadcast yesterday. probably, for me, among the best, if not the best of those i've seen in the premier league. i like the steep slope of the stands. very imposing and yet intimate.

[Kerrybai]

Originally Posted by wavid2009

It is funny when you look at the history of football which shows that the most successful teams are from very unfashionable areas - Liverpool, Man Utd, etc. It is no coincidence that these are clubs that are run perfectly from the top down (perhaps the proud working class thing?). Newcastle are a carbon copy of where Man Utd were 25 years ago and can see them almost copying them.

People ask me about being psychic but all it is just about intuition. For example, what does your're intuition tell you about the current most successful football clubs? It tells me that Man Utd have reached their peak in terms of fan base and all they can achieve as a city. Arsenal/Tottenham/Chelsea will only ever have a 60K fan base max and will always be the same due to the fact there are so many identical clubs in London (this doesn't help at all and is the reason why separate clubs are always the most successful).

Newcastle, however, are completely different to every one of these as they have never realised who they are or seen what they can acheive. You are still at the early stages of development and are starting from a clean sheet unlike most who have a history. Intuition says Newcastle could sell 100,000 tickets week in week out given an identical position to Man Utd and this is never wrong. Throw in a billionaire owner who will not run a club to make money for himself or spend on short term goals (like Abramovic) and you've got a stone wall winner. I consider the North a business, the South fashion. See how lucky you are?

You are wrong on a few points. Arsenal will only ever have 60k fanbase? That is incorrect my friend. Arsenal had 40k on their waiting list a few years back. Even with incredibly high ticket prices Arsenal still have a bigger fanbase than Newcastle. In fact the cheapest season ticket at Arsenal is 3 times more expensive than Newcastle.

You are right that Newcastle could sell out 60k plus but throwing out false statements about a club like Arsenal isn't going to help your point.

Secondly to suggest that Newcastle could be bigger than United based on having an 80k stadium is ridiculous. United have spent years becoming a global brand. They could have a 20k stadium and still be one of the richest clubs in the world.Newcastle can only dream of ever having the global recognition that Untied have.

[GunnerJacket]

Originally Posted by wavid2009

It is funny when you look at the history of football which shows that the most successful teams are from very unfashionable areas - Liverpool, Man Utd, etc. It is no coincidence that these are clubs that are run perfectly from the top down (perhaps the proud working class thing?). Newcastle are a carbon copy of where Man Utd were 25 years ago and can see them almost copying them.

Many fans from either of those clubs would disagree about your perception of them running "perfectly," but that's your opinion.

It tells me that Man Utd have reached their peak in terms of fan base and all they can achieve as a city. Arsenal/Tottenham/Chelsea will only ever have a 60K fan base max and will always be the same due to the fact there are so many identical clubs in London (this doesn't help at all and is the reason why separate clubs are always the most successful).

If you truly believe this then I can't help you. Arsenal and Tottenham have waiting lists for season tx that would push past the 80k mark.

Intuition says Newcastle could sell 100,000 tickets week in week out given an identical position to Man Utd and this is never wrong. Throw in a billionaire owner who will not run a club to make money for himself or spend on short term goals (like Abramovic) and you've got a stone wall winner.

You need intuition to tell you Newcastle would sell 100k if they had a) 13 premiership titles, b) a billionaire owner, and c) space for that many butts? And apparently this phenomena would only apply to Newcastle?

Best thing I can say here is that I'm done with my share of this conversation. Cheers.

[wavid2009]

Newcastle would be a global brand to rival Man Utd with a bit of success but i don't wanna start arguing about Newcastle or Arsenal as I am a Wolves supporter from a different thread. I just hope their new stadium helps them in their quest to rival the top 4.

Ask yourself why Arsenal built only a 60K stadium and don't sell out, Tottenham/Chelsea only 55K after they move to new locations if they knew they could sell over 80K tickets ?, come on man.

I also don't think that there is much of an advantage with the prices being slightly lower up North as it's all relative and Newcastle is hardly a thriving town (most people are unemployed and can't even afford it). I lived in London and know that every team is well supported but I also know that, although you pay more tax, the average wage is twice than that of the rest of the country.

[GunnerJacket]

Originally Posted by wavid2009

Ask yourself why Arsenal built only a 60K stadium and don't sell out, Tottenham/Chelsea only 55K after they move to new locations if they knew they could sell over 80K tickets ?, come on man.

Arsenal had both transport restrictions and height limitations that were conditional as part of their permitting process, to say nothing of lacking the reserves to afford a much bigger venue right away since it was almost 100% privately financed. Read the WHL thread and you'll find similar stories, compromises both clubs were willing to make to stay in their hometowns. It's about the quality of the venue experience, not just volume of butts. Don't speak of that which you don't know.

[Kerrybai]

Originally Posted by wavid2009

Newcastle would be a global brand to rival Man Utd with a bit of success but i don't wanna start arguing about Newcastle or Arsenal as I am a Wolves supporter from a different thread. I just hope their new stadium helps them in their quest to rival the top 4.

Ask yourself why Arsenal built only a 60K stadium and don't sell out, Tottenham/Chelsea only 55K after they move to new locations if they knew they could sell over 80K tickets ?, come on man.

I also don't think that there is much of an advantage with the prices being slightly lower up North as it's all relative and Newcastle is hardly a thriving town (most people are unemployed and can't even afford it). I lived in London and know that every team is well supported but I also know that, although you pay more tax, the average wage is twice than that of the rest of the country.

Arsenal have a bigger fan base. Ask yourself why the cheapest season ticket at Arsenal is 900 pound compare with 300 pounds at Newcastle. Also Arsenal sell out every league game, the empty seats are ST holders who don't turn up.

[Newcastle Historian]

St James' Park Gallowgate End restored to former glory
By Dan Warberton, The Chronicle, 21st May 2013


Peter Beardsley oversees the re-painting job

HUGE SIGNS of the 'Sports Direct Name and Logo' have been REMOVED, painted over on the roof of St James' Park Gallowgate End.

Newcastle United owner Mike Ashley faced a backlash from fans when he put the naming rights for the stadium on the open market and rebranded it the Sports Direct Arena in 2011. New sponsors Wonga.com opted to give the stadium back its historic name as the payday loan firm’s four-year sponsorship deal with the club officially came into force.

Now, strip-by-strip, the lettering on the Gallowgate roof is being masked over with fresh paint. Ex-Magpie playmaker Beardsley, 52, who currently works as the club’s football development manager, said: “It was always a privilege to play in front of the Gallowgate. It’s one of the most famous stands in the country, if not in world football, so it’s great to see it being put back to its original state."


Read More - http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/...te-end-3902396

[Newcastle Historian]

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The Chronicle, Wednesday 22nd May 2013 . .

[BeestonLad]

Originally Posted by Newcastle Historian

Now, strip-by-strip, the lettering on the Gallowgate roof is being masked over with fresh paint. Ex-Magpie playmaker Beardsley, 52, who currently works as the club’s football development manager, said: “It was always a privilege to play in front of the Gallowgate. It’s one of the most famous stands in the country, if not in world football, so it’s great to see it being put back to its original state."

Not sure about that.