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Old January 10th, 2018, 02:02 AM   #1981
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And the new MSA proposal is in the back yard of one of the 3 Apple objectors.
How joyful would that be...like......karma.

Did this objector also object to the MSA?
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Old January 10th, 2018, 01:39 PM   #1982
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Clarinbridge and Claregalway are down around 5k AADT each. The traffic counter in Clarinbridge is broken at present. Claregalway has improved some but as it continues to grow anyway (it acquired a 1000 pupil secondary school in the last 5 years) it still needs an NE bypass from the old N17 to the old N18 at a minimum.

A continous buslane from Galway to north of Claregalway is also imminent along with long 50kph zones, on the old N17.
They'll be waiting a while I imagine!
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Old January 13th, 2018, 11:19 PM   #1983
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Old January 14th, 2018, 12:36 AM   #1984
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A new addition to the motorway network, of sorts..

TII have allocated €75k for 2018 for N40 Motorway Reclassification. Since the 3 flyovers were built there are no longer any direct entrances onto the N40, or the N22 that continues on west of Cork. The only potential issue may be the access to Vernon Mount from the N40 J6 westbound offramp.

http://www.tii.ie/tii-library/report...T_CorkCoCo.pdf
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Old January 15th, 2018, 04:43 PM   #1985
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A new addition to the motorway network, of sorts..

TII have allocated €75k for 2018 for N40 Motorway Reclassification. Since the 3 flyovers were built there are no longer any direct entrances onto the N40, or the N22 that continues on west of Cork. The only potential issue may be the access to Vernon Mount from the N40 J6 westbound offramp.

http://www.tii.ie/tii-library/report...T_CorkCoCo.pdf
I wonder does this mean anything for the potential of a full ring road motorway in Cork?
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Old January 16th, 2018, 12:26 AM   #1986
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A new addition to the motorway network, of sorts..

TII have allocated €75k for 2018 for N40 Motorway Reclassification. Since the 3 flyovers were built there are no longer any direct entrances onto the N40, or the N22 that continues on west of Cork. The only potential issue may be the access to Vernon Mount from the N40 J6 westbound offramp.

http://www.tii.ie/tii-library/report...T_CorkCoCo.pdf
I'd have thought they'd wait until Dunkettle is sorted...then they could have motorway all the way from the M8....or does the Jack Lynch Tunnel mean they can't do that?

Kinda like the Dartford Tunnel on the route of the M25 in London?

Or the N18 tunnel in Limerick?

Or the Athlone bypass?

Or the N11 through Kilmac and the Glen?

Though the Dub Port Tunnel is M-way...
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Old January 16th, 2018, 02:31 AM   #1987
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I'd have thought they'd wait until Dunkettle is sorted...then they could have motorway all the way from the M8....or does the Jack Lynch Tunnel mean they can't do that?
You are on the right track. As I explained here early last year the plan is to take the EU money for Dunkettle when the 'call' for EU funding is opened later this year, and also for the Ringaskiddy project.

Once that is in the bag TII will have a Eureka moment where they then send the EU Core Corridor Route around Cork to the North and can dibs extra EU funds for the north ring after 2020. The EU Core corridor is likely to be Dublin Port to Ringaskiddy port after 2020 and brexit.

The studies this year will find that the corridor needs to be rerouted.
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Old January 16th, 2018, 10:42 PM   #1988
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As I explained here early last year
Jeez Sponge, I'm sorry.

Normally I take your posts as Gospel and never forget a single word...I f*cked up here. My bad
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But you are correct overall, the JLT is close to maxing out and Dunkettle is but an interim sticking plaster to to facilitate some semblance of traffic flow for 5-10 years on the east side of Cork. And you replied to the post where I mentioned the reconfiguration of the EU Core route > http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...#post139394371

The JLT can be a motorway tunnel in a normal EU country, as they are speed restricted and rarely have HS inside. So yes, an M40 interim could run from the end of the M8 at Dunkettle and be designated as a motorway by all means as far as the N28 junction.

But as 2 of the 4 road sections approaching Dunkettle are steadily nearing capacity for a 2+2 Motorway another bypass of Cork is required by the 2020s, probably from East of Carrigtwohill and around north by Glanmire and Blarney. There is no point upgrading the rest of the south ring as it largely feeds the JLT which is not upgradeable in any meaningful way. The way things look now the 3+3 and 2+2 sections of the SRR will reach capacity from Dunkettle to the Kinsale roundabout around when they finish Dunkettle.

If that reminds you of the M50 upgrade that started almost the very day the 'South East' Motorway opened in 2005 then you see where we are going with Cork.

By My estimates the Primary roads there will swallow up €1.5bn by the time they are finished and that estimate does not include 100s of kms of National Secondary of the generally dismal sort. By contrast County Dublin only needs the N81 finished and a spot of widening around Shankill and most of the National Primary in Galway is already motorway with less than 25km needing some attention

Tim Cook, seemingly, did not discuss the missing Apple DC in Athenry with Varadkar a few months back but had a deal to say on the state of the roads in Cork and its effects on productivity down there.
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Old January 17th, 2018, 11:14 PM   #1990
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Tim Cook, seemingly, did not discuss the missing Apple DC in Athenry with Varadkar a few months back but had a deal to say on the state of the roads in Cork and its effects on productivity down there.
Off topic but I read in the Indo today that Google (already two DCs in Ireland) are now looking at Denmark rather that Ireland for their next one.

I guess like Cook they are speaking with actions rather than words - the very opposite of what the Irish political establishment does.

After all, the current Regime has now had seven years in office to deal with our dysfunctional "planning" system and its bizarre 3rd party objections and while it has waffled mightily on the topic has done sweet f*uck all to change it.

The chickens are now leaving Eire to roost....
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Off topic but I read in the Indo today that Google (already two DCs in Ireland) are now looking at Denmark rather that Ireland for their next one.
That could be diversification of location for resiliance rather than anything else - though the Apple tax issue won't help Ireland with tech companies (even though the Government is on the same side as the companies).
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Off topic but I read in the Indo today that Google (already two DCs in Ireland) are now looking at Denmark rather that Ireland for their next one.
The chickens are now leaving Eire to roost....
Google had no plans for any more DCs here as of 2 years ago and the chickens are not leaving at all as it happens. Amazon and MS are still expanding and there is a finite amount of electricity in Dublin and the hoi polloi won't let the ESB build any more pylons to change that equation as you all know.

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That could be diversification of location for resiliance rather than anything else - though the Apple tax issue won't help Ireland with tech companies (even though the Government is on the same side as the companies).
Yes it is in a way, and proper order, but that does not quite explain why the same Google (and Facebook too) just invested in a new cable from the USA to Westport in Mayo does it. ?? The route schematic here.

http://www.dttas.ie/sites/default/fi...e%20Survey.pdf


The answer is that things are rather complex and fluid as regards DC locations right now. The days of ' all your DCs are belong to Dublin only' are over and there is yet another cable announcement on the way for later this year on which I am sworn to great secrecy.

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Preliminary works in the form of initial site clearance works underway at the Dunkettle Interchange Project. Plans in place to have a contractor appointed before the summer.
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