daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on oneforums map | privacy policy | DMCA | news magazine | posting guidelines

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > European Forums > UK & Ireland Architecture Forums > Projects and Construction > Irish Architecture Forum > Transport and Infrastructure

Transport and Infrastructure For projects and construction across the island of Ireland



Global Announcement

As a general reminder, please respect others and respect copyrights. Go here to familiarize yourself with our posting policy.


Reply

 
Thread Tools Rating: Thread Rating: 216 votes, 5.00 average.
Old April 10th, 2009, 04:43 PM   #81
odlum833
Registered User
 
odlum833's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Dublin
Posts: 10,074
Likes (Received): 2182

Quote:
Originally Posted by plank007 View Post
Its shame the sprawl has been allowed to get so big without proper transport considerations. No wonder the M50 is at breaking point and by the time it’s widened another lane will be needed!

I would love to live in Dublin City Centre but living anywhere else in Dublin must be a complete nightmare. Just estate after estate after estate.

It's not just the widening, the entire junctions are being rebuilt. Many will be freeflow but some will be hideous massive hybrid junctions




Imagine having that behind your back garden. In fairness the LUAS has opened up Tallaght, which is probrably the biggest suburb, somewhat. However it is so spread out that many would not use it because they are too far away. Fixed line is too expensive and just not flexible enough for Dublin's needs. It's a pitty but we have to just face up to that fact and accept that the planning mistakes are irreversible.
__________________
Ireland forum is here

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1596
odlum833 no está en línea   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
Old April 10th, 2009, 06:18 PM   #82
plank007
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,998
Likes (Received): 1042

That junction looks wild. Would not like to be engineer tasked to widen it sometime in the future.
plank007 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 11th, 2009, 01:28 PM   #83
PB-1888
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: B*FAST
Posts: 479
Likes (Received): 1

Quote:
Originally Posted by suburbansky View Post
I don't have any alternatives, at least none that could be applied now - you're right, it's too late. It just somehow saddens me if I compare Ireland today and fifteen years back and see the same mistakes Switzerland did simply repeated.
Your just being nostalgic for a simpler past.

I agree with Plank, living in those suburbs must be hell on Earth. But then they wouldn't have been built if people didn't want them. The Irish mentality (north and south) is to want to live in a 3 bedroom semi with a garden for the dog and room for the 4x4. Well if thats what you want, then don't be surprised by what you get. At least people live in Dublin city centre, unlike in other places...
PB-1888 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 11th, 2009, 02:11 PM   #84
odlum833
Registered User
 
odlum833's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Dublin
Posts: 10,074
Likes (Received): 2182

I would'nt go that far....the bus system is good now especially with the Quality Bus Corridors and many estates do have alternative forms of transport like rail or light rail. I know we complain about the buses but sometimes I think we are a bit over critical of Dublin Bus. There are many that only have the bus as a viable alternative of course but as new rail projects get going at least some of this will be addressed.

The city centre should have a mesh of transport options. Unfortunately this cannot be everywhere - only where all modes of transport meet.

The metro video I posted in the metro thread shows this nicely.


Just back to the motorways - Furet has also been posting plenty of videos of the new M8 sections. Thanks!

__________________
Ireland forum is here

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1596
odlum833 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 11th, 2009, 02:16 PM   #85
suburbansky
Above us only sky
 
suburbansky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Basel
Posts: 534
Likes (Received): 6

Quote:
Originally Posted by PB-1888 View Post
Your just being nostalgic for a simpler past.
No, I'm not - I'm just startled about the short-sightedness of planning/planners, not just in Ireland. You actually can have a big house in a calm and attractive surrounding and still get along with public transportation - there are examples of how it could be done.
__________________
Blogging for a better S-Bahn > Mehr S-Bahn für Basel

How am I listening? > My Last.fm Profile


"As long as we are free we'll be doomed to live and die under the great suburban sky." (Madrugada - "Salt")
suburbansky no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 17th, 2009, 02:13 PM   #86
spacetweek
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Dublin
Posts: 842
Likes (Received): 260

Quote:
Originally Posted by suburbansky View Post
No, I'm not - I'm just startled about the short-sightedness of planning/planners, not just in Ireland. You actually can have a big house in a calm and attractive surrounding and still get along with public transportation - there are examples of how it could be done.
You're only partly right. Yes you can have that , but only if most other people aren't having it. If everyone in a city has a huge house , the city is very low density and takes up a huge amount of geographic space - making it difficult to serve with public transport and pushing up journey times.

So, you can only have a big house in a city if very few other people are having a big house in the same city. This doesn't work!
spacetweek no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 18th, 2009, 06:00 PM   #87
suburbansky
Above us only sky
 
suburbansky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Basel
Posts: 534
Likes (Received): 6

Quote:
Originally Posted by spacetweek View Post
You're only partly right. Yes you can have that , but only if most other people aren't having it. If everyone in a city has a huge house , the city is very low density and takes up a huge amount of geographic space - making it difficult to serve with public transport and pushing up journey times.

So, you can only have a big house in a city if very few other people are having a big house in the same city. This doesn't work!
That's not what I meant... You can live in a big house in a calm suburban surrounding, well outside the city, and still make most (I don't say all) of your trips with public transport. This of course only works if new suburbs are planned accordingly, i.e. along existing railway lines, and are not allowed to simply sprawl - and the public transport is steady and reliable, of course.
__________________
Blogging for a better S-Bahn > Mehr S-Bahn für Basel

How am I listening? > My Last.fm Profile


"As long as we are free we'll be doomed to live and die under the great suburban sky." (Madrugada - "Salt")
suburbansky no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 19th, 2009, 03:49 AM   #88
Furet
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 81
Likes (Received): 1

Exclamation M7 Nenagh to Limerick

I have a few photographic updates. A bit of progress with the pavement and concrete barrier has been made, but we're still a good five months away from an opening.

This photo is taken from an overbridge west of the end of the Nenagh Bypass. You can access it by taking the first right turn up a narrow lane after you clear the bypass heading from Limerick.


This photo is taken from the same overbridge, this time looking towards the Nenagh Bypass and Dublin:


This photo, which looks east, was taken from an overbridge close to the turn off for Silvermines:


Taken from the same position, looking to Limerick:


Taken from an overbridge on the Limerick side of Daly's Cross, looking east:


Taken from the same location, this time looking west:


Surfacing works are underway in earnest now at last, after what was a very uncertain autumn and winter.
Furet no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 19th, 2009, 02:29 PM   #89
Ni3lS
Moderator
 
Ni3lS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Stuttgart
Posts: 16,482
Likes (Received): 3452

Nice pics. Also great progress on that bridge near to Waterford. I've been there and in december there was only that big green crane. It looks huge when you are standing there and looking at it.
__________________
MY SHOWCASE
FLICKR / MY TRAVELS:
[2016] > Norway, Valencia, Arvidsjaur, Innsbruck, Moselvalley, Geneva, Lisbon, Basel, Vosges, Munich, Trieste, Barcelona, Nürburgring, Frankfurt, Spa, Berlin, Wuppertal, Dortmund, Como, Monaco, Saint-Tropez, Tegernsee, Hamburg, Lübeck, Madrid, Stuttgart, Faro, Hochgurgl
[2017] > Düsseldorf, Mallorca, Geneva, Annecy, Montafon, Vorarlberg, Barcelona, Zürich, Crete, Lisbon, Cascais, Málaga, Ronda, Dolomiti, Sistiana, Kitzbühel
Ni3lS no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 19th, 2009, 05:21 PM   #90
odlum833
Registered User
 
odlum833's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Dublin
Posts: 10,074
Likes (Received): 2182

Great pics Furet - man you get around!
__________________
Ireland forum is here

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1596
odlum833 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 19th, 2009, 06:21 PM   #91
Furet
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 81
Likes (Received): 1

Cheers Odlum. Once the next piece of the M8 opens on 22 May I will be posting far fewer pictures in general.

I'll take a look at the Nenagh to Castletown section of the M7 in late July or early August. I'll use the same outing to examine the M7/M8 and also the Nenagh to Limerick scheme. So I hope to have a big batch of photos to upload around then.

I will drive the Waterford Bypass (and probably film it) when it opens next October. Hopefully sections of the M9 will be open by then too, and I'll have a drive on it if it is.

I don't envisage using the M6 again until the whole thing opens in 2010. I also have no plans at the moment to look at the M18 construction works, as I don't think I'll be heading to Galway again for the forseeable future. Though with summer and holidays and all that, that could change.

I've been waiting for someone on boards to upload photos of the M3, but so far no-one has. I certainly won't be heading up that way...for a very long time! So if anyone has any pictures of that, please upload them here or on boards.ie
Furet no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 19th, 2009, 06:45 PM   #92
odlum833
Registered User
 
odlum833's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Dublin
Posts: 10,074
Likes (Received): 2182

There is a new April newsletter on the M3 motorway website if you're interested

http://www.eurolink-m3.ie/




If I can just ask - whats with all those pylons in the last pic? Is the motorway (M7) to be elevated here?
__________________
Ireland forum is here

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1596
odlum833 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 19th, 2009, 07:29 PM   #93
Furet
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 81
Likes (Received): 1

Quote:
Originally Posted by odlum833 View Post
If I can just ask - whats with all those pylons in the last pic? Is the motorway (M7) to be elevated here?
We think they will add stability to the M7 over a particularly boggy area...and yes, it does look like the M7 will rise slightly here.
Furet no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 20th, 2009, 12:32 AM   #94
god
Registered User
 
god's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Gdynia
Posts: 791
Likes (Received): 219

Those motorways in the pictures look cheap. Look how real motorways look. A4 in Poland, not opened yet:
god no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 20th, 2009, 12:39 AM   #95
odlum833
Registered User
 
odlum833's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Dublin
Posts: 10,074
Likes (Received): 2182

lol! Does the M50 look cheap? Does that junction at the top look cheap? They only cost about €8 billion...

We have many much fancier motorways then that already - and they certainly are not cheap! Best to judge against what is built and open then something halfway through construction. We have many wide median stretches that are quite impressive aswell.


As for the bridge above - nice - but come on let's get serious




Objectively I prefer our yellow hard shoulder compared to the white and note the wide median. We use solar power SOS phones on the verges and yellow diamond signage which I really like. Whilst not perfect we are building some damn fine roads. We will open hundreds of km's of these roads in the next 2 years.





The Germans will be looking in awe when our autobahns are finished and we cover Ireland in blue. Im only jokin man - Poland is just starting out and you will have great roads in time....but don't base perception on a couple of pics


Just to add the next section of the M8 between Mitchelstown and Fermoy will open on the 22nd of May Furet has his camera at the ready no doubt :P
__________________
Ireland forum is here

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1596

Last edited by odlum833; April 20th, 2009 at 01:17 AM.
odlum833 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 20th, 2009, 03:11 AM   #96
Accura4Matalan
Registered User
 
Accura4Matalan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Hinckley, UK
Posts: 13,607
Likes (Received): 1571

Quote:
Originally Posted by god View Post
Those motorways in the pictures look cheap. Look how real motorways look. A4 in Poland, not opened yet:
That looks much cheaper than the Irish ones IMO. If the lighter surfacing is anything like the stuff they use in the US.... oh dear
Accura4Matalan no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 20th, 2009, 03:21 AM   #97
belfastuniguy
Forum Moderator
 
belfastuniguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Belfast
Posts: 20,315
Likes (Received): 7544

Quote:
Originally Posted by god View Post
Those motorways in the pictures look cheap. Look how real motorways look. A4 in Poland, not opened yet:

Hardly mate, that pic looks a hell of a lot cheaper with its shit road surface and that bridge is FUGLY as hell.
belfastuniguy no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 20th, 2009, 04:07 AM   #98
Comfortably Numb
Goddess of Winter
 
Comfortably Numb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Rochester NY
Posts: 2,521
Likes (Received): 309

Quote:
Originally Posted by god View Post
Those motorways in the pictures look cheap. Look how real motorways look. A4 in Poland, not opened yet:
Actually, that motorway looks very "cheap". The surface is tacky and lightweight and will deteriorate in no time, that bridge is ugly as hell.

Ireland has a much smaller population than Poland. Don't knock it....
__________________
There is no pain, you are receding
A distant ship smoke on the horizon
You are only coming through in waves
Your lips move but I can't hear what you're saying


My Panoramio
Comfortably Numb no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 20th, 2009, 04:18 AM   #99
odlum833
Registered User
 
odlum833's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Dublin
Posts: 10,074
Likes (Received): 2182

Gosh - I thought I gave him the smackdown......Poland will have great roads but not yet. However I do symphatise with him for the fact that we had crap roads at one time and we built some road with EU help. We felt proud of our new motorway whilst others probrably laughed (they ain't laughing now) - look we have to start somewhere. Poland will have a great network in a few decades and I am impressed with your new road but, ffs, boasting about here is just stupid because of course I am going to come back at you with pics and info. Your going to get alot of motorway but be sensible in how you promote it. Nice road and all but don't preach to countries that have motorways. We know about them.
__________________
Ireland forum is here

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1596

Last edited by odlum833; April 20th, 2009 at 04:30 AM.
odlum833 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 20th, 2009, 10:20 AM   #100
god
Registered User
 
god's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Gdynia
Posts: 791
Likes (Received): 219

Quote:
Originally Posted by Comfortably Numb View Post
The surface is tacky and lightweight and will deteriorate in no time, that bridge is ugly as hell.
Are you blind? It's thick concrete. It's life time is 2x longer than asphalt.


When I wrote about cheap motorways being built in Ireland I had on mind the insulation (?) between traffic directions. Just one concrete barier, it doesn't look good :/

Last edited by god; April 20th, 2009 at 10:47 AM.
god no está en línea   Reply With Quote


Reply

Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Related topics on SkyscraperCity


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 02:21 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

SkyscraperCity ☆ In Urbanity We trust ☆ about us | privacy policy | DMCA policy

tech management by Sysprosium