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Old May 23rd, 2010, 10:28 PM   #21
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When you have Tennessee, Alabama, Auburn, LSU, FLorida, and Georgia you dont have to go after Oklahoma.

The market size is small, and any North Carolina or Virginia school would be more valuable to the SEC because of the much larger populations, tv markets, and faster population growth. If you cant get those schools then Oklahoma will be an option.
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Old May 23rd, 2010, 10:29 PM   #22
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You obviously have no clue!Do you know how big The OU Football program is?Do you know that there are only a FEW programs that can top it's tradition?there is One program that has more National Titles in The SEC-Bama!The SEC does boast some HUGE stadiums and no doubt-right now the SEC is The best conference!

OU is still the 7th-10th option. SEC commissoner is already talking to 6 schools and OU is not one of them. OU doesn't fit in with the SEC schools culturally or socially. The SEC wants big media markets for expansion. That is why Texas, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, and Virginia Tech are great fits for the SEC.

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I would hate that. LSU and Alabama have played each other every year since 1964. Overall a total of 73 games with the first matchup in 1895. LSU and Florida have played against each other every year since 1971. I know Auburn is Bama's main rival but LSU fans always look forward to this game as well as the Florida and Auburn game.

Leave out the southwest schools and bring in the ACC schools, LOL.
Yourself and I, and the vast majority of fans on both side would hate it, but Les Miles would run in the streets of Baton Rouge nude in pure joy if Alabama moved to the East division.
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Yourself and I, and the vast majority of fans on both side would hate it, but Les Miles would run in the streets of Baton Rouge nude in pure joy if Alabama moved to the East division.
That's if he is still here in Baton Rouge. If he has another year like last year then look for him to be in the hot seat really quick. LSU has a tougher schedule this year than last. They play West Virginia, North Carolina, Tenneesse, Bama, Auburn, Florida, and Arkansas. If LSU's offense does not improve from last year then it's going to be a long year.
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That's if he is still here in Baton Rouge. If he has another year like last year then look for him to be in the hot seat really quick. LSU has a tougher schedule this year than last. They play West Virginia, North Carolina, Tenneesse, Bama, Auburn, Florida, and Arkansas. If LSU's offense does not improve from last year then it's going to be a long year.
I think the North Carolina game is not as big for Les Miles as some might think. If he loses, the hot seat will only get hotter. Now a loss to West Virginia or Tennessee, call the moving van, after that call Will Mushcamp.
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When you have Tennessee, Alabama, Auburn, LSU, FLorida, and Georgia you dont have to go after Oklahoma.

The market size is small, and any North Carolina or Virginia school would be more valuable to the SEC because of the much larger populations, tv markets, and faster population growth. If you cant get those schools then Oklahoma will be an option.
Like I said I hope OU doesnt merge with any conference esp. The SEC! but if it happened,The SEC would get One of The biggest football programs in The Nation,and about the middle of The road(SEC) media market!
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OU is still the 7th-10th option. SEC commissoner is already talking to 6 schools and OU is not one of them. OU doesn't fit in with the SEC schools culturally or socially. The SEC wants big media markets for expansion. That is why Texas, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, and Virginia Tech are great fits for the SEC.
The OKC media market would be in The middle of The SEC markets!!! You still have no Clue on how big OU football is!anyways I think Bama is on track to take The SEC again!
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The OKC media market would be in The middle of The SEC markets!!! You still have no Clue on how big OU football is!anyways I think Bama is on track to take The SEC again!
Ok so OU is a traditional power program we get it. The SEC officials are looking at TV revenue dollars more than anything, and that is why the FSU, Miami, and the two Texas schoosl are higher on the list than OU would be.
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Texas and Texas A&M should be on the top of wish list for the SEC, but people, from what I've been reading, UTx does not think it would be good fit academically and socially with the SEC and does not want to join. They want to be in a conference where they are the epicenter. That's why I think it would be more likely that they would form a Texas-based conference. Wherever UTx goes, aTm would go to as well.

I could see Oklahoma and Oklahoma St. joining.

I don't see why the SEC needs FSU, UF is the big dog in the Florida markets. Are South Carolina markets lucrative enough to justify more the one SC school? The NC schools seem pretty entrenched in the ACC. Thus, I think the best option from the current ACC would be Virginia Tech. That would bring VA markets, as well as the DC market.
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Ok so OU is a traditional power program we get it. The SEC officials are looking at TV revenue dollars more than anything, and that is why the FSU, Miami, and the two Texas schoosl are higher on the list than OU would be.
I know,cuz Tallahasee is such a huge media market!!!The OKC media market is 45th nationally,and would be middle of The pack in The SEC!Take The Two Texass schools,Please!I just hope The Big 10 doesnt pick up Nebraska!That would be two Rivals Ou loses!
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I know,cuz Tallahasee is such a huge media market!!!The OKC media market is 45th nationally,and would be middle of The pack in The SEC!Take The Two Texass schools,Please!I just hope The Big 10 doesnt pick up Nebraska!That would be two Rivals Ou loses!
Actually you have to look at the state as a whole, Florida has a population of 10 million +.
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Texas and Texas A&M should be on the top of wish list for the SEC, but people, from what I've been reading, UTx does not think it would be good fit academically and socially with the SEC and does not want to join. They want to be in a conference where they are the epicenter. That's why I think it would be more likely that they would form a Texas-based conference. Wherever UTx goes, aTm would go to as well.

I could see Oklahoma and Oklahoma St. joining.

I don't see why the SEC needs FSU, UF is the big dog in the Florida markets. Are South Carolina markets lucrative enough to justify more the one SC school? The NC schools seem pretty entrenched in the ACC. Thus, I think the best option from the current ACC would be Virginia Tech. That would bring VA markets, as well as the DC market.
The SEC asked FSU to join in the early 90's, and why not?. With the addition of FSU and Miami the conference would have the big three schools in a state with a population of 10 million or more. From a fan standpoint if your a Tennessee fan would you rather drive to Stillwater, Norman or Miami, Tallahassee?.
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Actually you have to look at the state as a whole, Florida has a population of 10 million +.
Not everyone in the State (most are probably not) serious football fans. Not saying Oklahoma has more in that sense, but much of the Florida markets are anchoring large schools already (Florida). OU would be a fresh market in that sense.
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Like I said I hope OU doesnt merge with any conference esp. The SEC! but if it happened,The SEC would get One of The biggest football programs in The Nation,and about the middle of The road(SEC) media market!
Texas would make even more money by joining the SEC. But, they probably won't join.

Rank School Total Revenue Conference 2009

1st Texas $120,288,370 Big 12
3rd Florida $106,030,895 Southeastern Conference
7th Auburn $89,305,326 Southeastern Conference
8th Alabama $88,869,810 Southeastern Conference
9th Tennessee $88,719,798 Southeastern Conference

12th Louisiana State $84,183,362 Southeastern Conference
13th Georgia $84,020,180 Southeastern Conference

17th Oklahoma $77,098,009 Big 12

22nd Kentucky $71,186,184 Southeastern Conference
23rd Duke $67,820,335 ACC
24th South Carolina $66,545,953 Southeastern Conference



Since 1919 Oklahoma has been in the same conference with Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska, Missouri, and Iowa State. This is OU's region.


OU's president statement May 20th: We’re very happy with the Big 12 Conference and we certainly expect to stay in the Big 12 Conference,” Boren said. “I was sort of shocked to read speculation that OU might leave the Big 12 Conference. Certainly not"


The SEC doesn't even want Oklahoma.
Oklahoma's president has just said OU's not leaving. HMMMMM

Why is OU even in the discussion?
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Actually you have to look at the state as a whole, Florida has a population of 10 million +.
I didnt know they started using statewide populations for metro media markets!
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Texas would make even more money by joining the SEC. But, they probably won't join.

Rank School Total Revenue Conference 2009

1st Texas $120,288,370 Big 12
3rd Florida $106,030,895 Southeastern Conference
7th Auburn $89,305,326 Southeastern Conference
8th Alabama $88,869,810 Southeastern Conference
9th Tennessee $88,719,798 Southeastern Conference

12th Louisiana State $84,183,362 Southeastern Conference
13th Georgia $84,020,180 Southeastern Conference

17th Oklahoma $77,098,009 Big 12

22nd Kentucky $71,186,184 Southeastern Conference
23rd Duke $67,820,335 ACC
24th South Carolina $66,545,953 Southeastern Conference



Since 1919 Oklahoma has been in the same conference with Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska, Missouri, and Iowa State. This is OU's region.


OU's president statement May 20th: We’re very happy with the Big 12 Conference and we certainly expect to stay in the Big 12 Conference,” Boren said. “I was sort of shocked to read speculation that OU might leave the Big 12 Conference. Certainly not"


The SEC doesn't even want Oklahoma.
Oklahoma's president has just said OU's not leaving. HMMMMM

Why is OU even in the discussion?
Ou doesn't want/need The SEC! and 17th in The nation in total revenue is pretty high!and The media market isnt small!stop downplaying OU and it's market and I will stop posting about it!If David Boren READ that there was speculation of OU leaving for The SEC,then thats why it is in this discussion!and this whole thread is a SPECULATION thread!to my knowledge NO team has left for The SEC or The BIG 10!but I can say this Texas and TAMU leaving The Big12 would be a BIG HUGE loss to The Big12 conference!and The info you posted above is Revenue not net profit,you also should look up Forbes most valuble football programs,and overall sports revenue for each school!weird that article you posted from The Orlando Sent. has Ok St and Kansas above OU,LSU,UGA!I dont know about that!

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The SEC asked FSU to join in the early 90's, and why not?. With the addition of FSU and Miami the conference would have the big three schools in a state with a population of 10 million or more. From a fan standpoint if your a Tennessee fan would you rather drive to Stillwater, Norman or Miami, Tallahassee?.
The question is does adding two schools in a state where the conference already has a strong (and arguably the strongest) foothold add enough value the revenue pot to justify increased number of mouths to feed.
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Hmmm I found a different list that slacks the numbers up some-
(I posted more, just for fun)

Here are the total revenue figures for the top 25 football programs from all the major conferences. (Source: Revenues for college football programs reported by institutions to the U.S. Department of Education as required by the Equity in Athletics Disclosure Act/2008 data)

Top 25 School Total revenue in millions
1. Texas $87.6
2. Ohio State $68.2
3. Florida $66.2
4. Georgia $65.2
5. Alabama $64.6
6. LSU $61.9
7. Penn State $61.8
8. Auburn $58.6
9. South Carolina $57.1
10. Notre Dame $56.9
11. Nebraska $55.2
12. Michigan $52.2
13. Michigan State $43.5
14. Tennessee $42.8
15. Oklahoma $42.6
16. Wisconsin $40
17. Iowa $38.9
18. Arkansas $38.6
19. Texas A&M $38.4
20. Clemson $35.2
21. Southern Cal $35.2
22. Washington $34.2
23. Oregon State $30.9
24. Arizona State $29.9
25. Virginia Tech $27.7

Attendance by conference
Conferences ranked by average football attendance per game in 2008. SEC's total fans: 6,378,085. Source: NCAA
Rank Conference Fans
1. SEC 76,844
2. Big Ten 70,125
3. Big 12 62,956
4. Pac-10 57,350
5. ACC 52,737

Top 25 Attendance
Here are the schools ranked by average football attendance in 2008 (per game). SEC schools are in bold. (Source: NCAA)
Rank School Fans per game
1. Michigan 108,571
2. Penn State 108,254
3. Ohio State 104,976
4. Tennessee 101,448
5. Texas 98,046
6. Georgia 92,746
7. LSU 92,383
8. Alabama 92,138
9. Florida 90,544
10. Auburn 86,915
11. USC 86,793
12. Oklahoma 85,075
13. Nebraska 85,071
14. Texas A&M 82,193
15. Wisconsin 81,088
16. Notre Dame 80,795
17. South Carolina 80,529
18. Clemson 78,001
19. Texas A&M 78,001
20. Florida State 77,968
21. UCLA 72,795
22. Iowa 70,169
23. Kentucky 69,434
24. Arkansas 68,740
25. Virginia Tech 66,233

SEC Financial Ledger
Here is the SEC financial ledger, including revenue, expenses, assets and their distribution to the member schools as well as SEC commissioner Mike Slive's compensation. Source: IRS 990 filings for 2007 through June 30, 2008.

Category Money Total revenue $161.56 million
Total expenses $153.97 million
Net assets $65.2 million
Distribution to member schools $135.01 million (12 schools)
Other Florida's share was $11,199,254; distribution is for TV revenues, fees and ticket sales for regular-season and postseason football, basketball and baseball games.

Total Revenue
In the following three tables are conference financial comparisons, beginning with total revenue comparisons for each of the conferences. Source: NCAA
Conference Total revenue
Big 10 $217.72 million
ACC $162.76 million
SEC $161.56 million
Big 12 $129.87 million
Pac-10 $96.08 million
Big East $93.35 million
Conference USA $45.12 million
WAC $19.24 million
MAC $10.1 million
Mountain West $9.8 million

Net assets
A financial comparison of net assets among the major conferences. Source: NCAA
Conference Net assets
SEC $65.2 million
ACC $34.08 million
Big 10 $11.42 million
Big 12 $10.94 million
Conference USA $8.73 million
Mountain West $4.3 million
Pac-10 $1.251 million
WAC $936,954
MAC (-$553,198)

Commissioner's compensation
The commissioner's compensation comparison for each of the conferences. (Source: IRS 990 filings for 2007 through June 30, 2008)
Conference Commissioner's compensation

Big 10 $1,232,835 (Jim Delaney)
ACC $888,116 (John Swofford)
SEC $720,561 (Mike Slive)
Big 12 $712,990 (Dan Bebee)
Conference USA $571,557 (Britton Banowsky)
Pac-10 $550,000 (Tom Hansen)
Mountain West $548,245 (Craig Thompson)
Big East $526,739 (Michael Tranghese)
WAC $427,924 (Karl Benson)
MAC $253,000 (Rick Chryst)

SEC Revenue Distribution
Money distributed to the SEC's 12 member schools. Source: SEC
Year Revenue 2010 TBA (speculation it could approach $200 million, fueled by new TV deals)
2009 $132.5 million
2008 $127.6 million
2007 $122 million
2006 $116.1 million
2005 $110.7 million
2004 $108.8 million
2003 $101.9 million
2002 $95.7 million
2001 $78.1 million
2000 $73.2 million
1999 $68.5 million
1998 $61.2 million
1997 $58.9 million
1996 $45.5 million
1995 $40.3 million
1994 $34.36 million
1993 $34.34 million
1992 $27.7 million
1991 $20.6 million
1990 $16.3 million
1989 $13.85 million
1988 $14.34 million
1987 $13.56 million
1986 $13.1 million
1985 $9.34 million
1984 $18.4 million
1983 $9.53 million
1982 $7.24 million
1981 $5.57 million
1980 $4.1 million

SEC revenue sources. (Source: Southeastern Conference)
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If OU is too small of a market..someone explain to me what Arkansas, South Carolina, Bama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Miss State, Kentucky, and LSU bring to the SEC?

I didn't even realize that the south revolved around huge TV markets, because it just has sooo many..
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If OU is too small of a market..someone explain to me what Arkansas, South Carolina, Bama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Miss State, Kentucky, and LSU bring to the SEC?

I didn't even realize that the south revolved around huge TV markets, because it just has sooo many..
1. Well for starters Louisiana, South Carolina, Alabama, Kentucky has a larger state population than Oklahoma.

2. LSU, Ark, USC, Bama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Miss State, Kentucky are all southern and southeastern. Oklahoma is midwest and plain state.

3. LSU, Bama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Miss State, Kentucky are all charter members of the SEC when the SEC first began in 1932. Oklahoma has zero southern/southeastern tradition. It doesn't fit in at all and that's why the SEC is not pursuing them.

Oklahoma has a small state population and that small population is divided between two schools. The Miami and Atlanta metro each has a larger population than the entire state of Oklahoma. Adding Miami and Georgia Tech to the SEC would be a better financial decision than the midwest school of Oklahoma.


It's funny how OU fans knock the SEC. They make fun of the S-E-C chants during bowl and out of conference games. They are jealous of the passion displayed by SEC fans. They are jealous of the national championship game dominance by the SEC. Now, OU fans are begging to join the SEC while the SEC looks at 7 different schools and says no to OU. LOL
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