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Old March 17th, 2005, 09:08 PM   #121
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The significance of the metro population can't be stated enough.
Exactly. For the foreseeable future, Birmingham will remain the largest metro by far.
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Old March 17th, 2005, 11:26 PM   #122
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Thats another way of putting it....
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Old March 26th, 2005, 10:43 PM   #123
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Birmingham's city population may continue to decline slightly, but not at such a steep rate as before... there's too many projects going on downtown for it to continue to slip that much. As far as the metro area, Birmingham is growing at a huge rate. The growth of Birmingham's southern suburbs is well-documented, but as someone from the northern suburbs of Birmingham, I can tell you that things are really starting to explode up here.... so much so that temporary moritoriums on new construction had to be enacted due to all of the building permit requests. Gardendale, the largest northern suburb of Birmingham, has a population of 11,626... I wouldnt be surprised to see it jump up to 20,000 in the not too distant future. Once I-22 and the northern beltline are constructed, the further urbanization and infill that will take place from Gardendale and Warrior southward (much like what happened when the southern beltline was added years ago). Gardendale is similar to Hoover in MANY ways lying right at the junction of I-65 and the beltline. BTW, someone asked about UAB's impact population-wise I believe.... UAB has about 56,000 employees.
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Old April 16th, 2005, 03:43 PM   #124
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56,000 UAB employees? I think you probably have that confused with the workforce in Bham's Central Business District. That would make more sense. UAB employs closer to 18,000 or 20,000.

As for metro Bham, the Northern Beltline and I-22's completion are the two unfinished projects that are keeping Jefferson County's population from skyrocketing. There is so much available land in Northern Jeff. County that an interstate stretch like the current I-459 completing the northern loop would create similar growth along the northern parts of the county as the southern part. Bham needs to get the dome/convention center/entertainment center project done as well. The private sector needs to put that project over the top to put a serious jolt into downtown. It wouldn't hurt to build a casino/hotel either downtown Bham or near the new Ross Bridge resort/Marriot Renaissance hotel being built in Shannon Valley.

Mobile is doing great things downtown. Now they and the entire state for that matter needs to take it a step farther. The legislature needs to get over themselves and allow casino gambling in the state. Mobile could then build a large casino (or two) downtown. I think downtown Mobile explodes if this happens as well and the cruise business would be even more energized. Talk about a downtown renaissance.

The better question might be which suburb or smaller city is the next boomtown? One city that hasn't been mentioned yet that has all the ingredients to shoot through the roof is Foley/Gulf Shores/Orange Beach. The Highway 59 corridor has completely exploded with business and retail activity the last 5-10 years. The Foley Beach Express has several square miles of flat farmland to develop as well. The RiverWalk and Wharf developments going up on either side of the InterCoastal Waterway at the inland portion of Orange Beach are going to be awesome!!
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Old April 16th, 2005, 10:59 PM   #125
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56,000 UAB employees? I think you probably have that confused with the workforce in Bham's Central Business District. That would make more sense. UAB employs closer to 18,000 or 20,000.

As for metro Bham, the Northern Beltline and I-22's completion are the two unfinished projects that are keeping Jefferson County's population from skyrocketing. There is so much available land in Northern Jeff. County that an interstate stretch like the current I-459 completing the northern loop would create similar growth along the northern parts of the county as the southern part. Bham needs to get the dome/convention center/entertainment center project done as well. The private sector needs to put that project over the top to put a serious jolt into downtown. It wouldn't hurt to build a casino/hotel either downtown Bham or near the new Ross Bridge resort/Marriot Renaissance hotel being built in Shannon Valley.

Mobile is doing great things downtown. Now they and the entire state for that matter needs to take it a step farther. The legislature needs to get over themselves and allow casino gambling in the state. Mobile could then build a large casino (or two) downtown. I think downtown Mobile explodes if this happens as well and the cruise business would be even more energized. Talk about a downtown renaissance.

The better question might be which suburb or smaller city is the next boomtown? One city that hasn't been mentioned yet that has all the ingredients to shoot through the roof is Foley/Gulf Shores/Orange Beach. The Highway 59 corridor has completely exploded with business and retail activity the last 5-10 years. The Foley Beach Express has several square miles of flat farmland to develop as well. The RiverWalk and Wharf developments going up on either side of the InterCoastal Waterway at the inland portion of Orange Beach are going to be awesome!!
No, UAB has 56,000 employees. It is the largest employer in Birmingham and the largest employer in the state of Alabama. UAB is spread out over 82 city blocks. Once the Shelby Biomedical Building is completed, it is expected to generate about 1,400 new jobs for UAB.
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Old April 17th, 2005, 01:56 AM   #126
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UAB has around 16,000 employees.

This link is old, but still relatively recent:

http://birmingham.bizjournals.com/bi...31/focus1.html
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Old April 17th, 2005, 03:24 AM   #127
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If UAB had 56,000 employees, I'd be very, very scared
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Old April 17th, 2005, 06:08 AM   #128
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UAB has about 20,000 full-time employees... and about 20-30,000 more part-time employees. If I can dig up the article where I read it, I'll post it.
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Old April 17th, 2005, 06:14 AM   #129
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Here you go... ok, so I was 3,000 off, but that's not much when youre talking 50,000+. And all may not be OFFICIALLY on the payroll at UAB specifically, but are affiliates of UAB. Here's an excerpt taken from UAB's own website to show you that I'm not just crazy:

"As the largest employer in the state, UAB generates 53,018 full-time equivalent jobs both within the university and the community. That means 1 of every 10 jobs in the Birmingham area (and 3 of 100 in Alabama, incidentally) are here because of UAB."
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Old April 19th, 2005, 08:06 AM   #130
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Huntsville is on the move.
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Old April 19th, 2005, 12:32 PM   #131
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Speaking of Huntsville:

12 story, 200 room, luxury Westin hotel to be built as part of the Bridge Street mix use development going up in Cummins Research Park in West Hunstville. Hotel will actually have 40 condo units on the top floors of the building.

www.osholdings.com/osholdings/westin.htm


Bridge Street is a large mixed use development going up in West Huntsville (actually inside Cummins Research Park). The project is going to cover 2.2 million square feet and include retail, residences, and office buildings. For anyone who has been to Huntsville this is going to be off the same exit the Space and Rocket Center is. The Rocket Center is on the south side of I-565 and Bridge Street will be about a half mile north of the Rocket Center.

Click on the Take a Tour and The Project links. Pretty neat stuff.

www.worldfamousbridgestreet.com/

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Old April 19th, 2005, 08:29 PM   #132
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Here you go... ok, so I was 3,000 off, but that's not much when youre talking 50,000+. And all may not be OFFICIALLY on the payroll at UAB specifically, but are affiliates of UAB. Here's an excerpt taken from UAB's own website to show you that I'm not just crazy:

"As the largest employer in the state, UAB generates 53,018 full-time equivalent jobs both within the university and the community. That means 1 of every 10 jobs in the Birmingham area (and 3 of 100 in Alabama, incidentally) are here because of UAB."
That figure will probably includes all the full time employees (doctors, nurses, medical personel, etc) at UAB Hospital (and all the other UAB-affliated hosptials for that matter), which is why it sounds so bloated.
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Old April 19th, 2005, 09:20 PM   #133
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aye man, this thread was started off as a pseudo-joke, but it's outlasted all of the other "next big city" threads, and has far more quality.

good work!!!

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Old April 21st, 2005, 07:32 PM   #134
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Huntsville to me looks like it could be the next Charlotte, starting out as not a very large city then exploding, it has a few of the ingredients. You know many cities that are big today were specks 40 years ago, so ya never know, who can say.
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Old April 23rd, 2005, 02:01 AM   #135
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Huntsville to me looks like it could be the next Charlotte, starting out as not a very large city then exploding, it has a few of the ingredients. You know many cities that are big today were specks 40 years ago, so ya never know, who can say.
Let's not get carried away. Huntsville is growing and will continue to do so, but I dont expect Huntsville to be anything like Charlotte anytime soon. Dont get me wrong. I like Huntsville just fine and was just there today in fact.
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Old April 24th, 2005, 07:52 AM   #136
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Mobile has alot of potential!
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Old April 26th, 2005, 06:33 AM   #137
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Huntsville has the best chance of surpassing Birmingham (in CITY population, not metro). We've grown by about 7,000 since 2000, while the other "big four" cities have decreased. We will probably grow a lot faster in the coming years, looking at all of the downtown growth.

I did read somewhere that Huntsville is now the size of Charlotte 40 years ago, so you never know...
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Old April 26th, 2005, 10:16 PM   #138
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I think Huntsville has a lot more potential than Montgomery because of the mentality of the people who live in both places, but I don't know if that will translate into Huntsville being a more populous city. Huntsville has one of the highest Ph.D/capita ratios in the country. Montgomery is the most Southern (ideology) city in the country. Huntsville with its MANY Fortune 500 companies is attracting brilliant minds, and businesses such as Westin Hotels. Its residents are looking to the future in the form of conducting important advances in many fields, and is currently giving Birmingham a run for its money in which will become the state's scientific center. Montgomery despite being the seat of government is attracting Auburn grads who likely won't get any further education (maybe an MBA, certainly not a Doctorate in Rocket Science or Quantum Physics), and businesses such as and endless gluton of convenience stores and chain restaurants. Its residents are looking forward to a Friday night dinner at Shoney's and maybe seeing a movie, and is currently giving Birmingham a run for its money in lack of intelligent growth planning. Now I'm not trying to bash Auburn which is a solid school, but the caliber of education Auburn provides just can't touch the educations many of Huntsville's residents have obtained. When you have a community made up of well-educated people like Huntsville there is just a certain quality of life that naturally developes. I don't see Montgomery getting to the same level because the people who live there just aren't at that same level as a whole. Montgomery has some very intelligent, progressively-minded people and I by no means am lumping everyone together. But the majority of residents' mindset is still Bubba getting his 4/3 or 3/2.5 in a new subdivision and living happily ever after, content to share his time betwee home and Wal-Mart and live out his days. And there are many other Bubbas like him moving to Montgomery to get his little spread and looking forward to heading up I-85 back to Auburn each fall. I don't know if Huntsville can match the shear number of new residents but does it want to? If they continue their current growths Huntsville will continue to be a much more unique, interesting place to live than Monkeytown which is turning into a soulless spread of sprawl.
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Old April 26th, 2005, 10:30 PM   #139
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Fear of Heights, besides agreeing you have a sweet name considering this website I agree with you that Northern Jefferson Country should be ripe for the picking when the major freeways get completed. With the new shopping plaza (I forgot the name) on Grant's Mill Road and I-459 about to break ground, there are really few places left along the southern arc of the city to have a new pocket of development. That should help fill the Trussville to 280 gap, and just a little further out Leeds is about to get its Bass Pro Shop. So yeah, I agree that in the future Northern Jefferson County, which arguablly has even more dramatic landscape in spots than Southern, could become a hotbed for development, even if it will probably be the kind I just wrote about when describing Montdumbery.
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I just saw this on another thread. It's a listing of the best public school systems in the country:

MSA's with 50K - 100K students:
1. Sarasota, FL (#3)
2. Palm Bay, FL (#6)
3. Huntsville, AL (#10)

This just reinforces what I said a little while ago. When you have a population with a certain level of education there is just a quality of life that developes. These people care enough about their schools to invest the needed resources. My sister is in a program at UAB for early medical school acceptance out of high school and 5 of the 10 kids are from Huntsville, so this does not surprise me.
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