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Old July 13th, 2012, 06:45 AM   #221
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This is a significantly better list. http://homepages.ipact.nl/~egram/skylines.html

It ranks skylines by height and not floor counts, since we all (should) know that residential and office floors are not created equal. It only takes into account buildings higher than 90 meters (~295') and each building is worth 1 point for every meter it is above 90. It gives a much truer comparison of cities' skylines.

It is based on 2011 data so not 100% up to date, but probably as good as we will see (and is updated yearly). So, for instance, OKC is ranked 190 with 241 points, but is due an additional 169 points for the Devon Tower (which would jump it all the way to 152 before we take into account other cities' construction).

It isn't perfect since it doesn't factor in quality or composition (subjective anyway), but it is based on pure math and the best system I have seen.

Miami leads the south with Houston right on its heels (just an 8 point difference, 4991-4983).
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Old July 13th, 2012, 07:03 PM   #222
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Tulsa scores a 0 street activity wise.....
Don't expect Tulsa Oklahoma to not have any warts....LOL

They need to work on that "street activity thing " Hum.....
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Old July 13th, 2012, 07:07 PM   #223
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This is a significantly better list. http://homepages.ipact.nl/~egram/skylines.html

It ranks skylines by height and not floor counts, since we all (should) know that residential and office floors are not created equal. It only takes into account buildings higher than 90 meters (~295') and each building is worth 1 point for every meter it is above 90. It gives a much truer comparison of cities' skylines.

It is based on 2011 data so not 100% up to date, but probably as good as we will see (and is updated yearly). So, for instance, OKC is ranked 190 with 241 points, but is due an additional 169 points for the Devon Tower (which would jump it all the way to 152 before we take into account other cities' construction).

It isn't perfect since it doesn't factor in quality or composition (subjective anyway), but it is based on pure math and the best system I have seen.

Miami leads the south with Houston right on its heels (just an 8 point difference, 4991-4983).

Good and Well but Tulsa Oklahoma isn't in the World Ranking top 100

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Old July 13th, 2012, 11:46 PM   #224
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Good and Well but Tulsa Oklahoma isn't in the World Ranking top 100
Ok? It's #134.
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Old July 14th, 2012, 12:27 AM   #225
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This is a significantly better list. http://homepages.ipact.nl/~egram/skylines.html

It ranks skylines by height and not floor counts, since we all (should) know that residential and office floors are not created equal. It only takes into account buildings higher than 90 meters (~295') and each building is worth 1 point for every meter it is above 90. It gives a much truer comparison of cities' skylines.

It is based on 2011 data so not 100% up to date, but probably as good as we will see (and is updated yearly). So, for instance, OKC is ranked 190 with 241 points, but is due an additional 169 points for the Devon Tower (which would jump it all the way to 152 before we take into account other cities' construction).

It isn't perfect since it doesn't factor in quality or composition (subjective anyway), but it is based on pure math and the best system I have seen.

Miami leads the south with Houston right on its heels (just an 8 point difference, 4991-4983).
This is the list I use more often myself. Miami edges out Houston for now, but the momentum is with Miami. Look for Miami to move up in the world rankings in this decade depending on what all else gets built in other cities.
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Old July 14th, 2012, 02:14 AM   #226
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This is the list I use more often myself. Miami edges out Houston for now, but the momentum is with Miami. Look for Miami to move up in the world rankings in this decade depending on what all else gets built in other cities.
Every city ahead of it is currently outbuilding it. Some of the cities behind it are currently outbuilding it. (ex. Sydney, Mumbai, Dalian, Tianjin, Wuhan, Melbourne, Doha, Istanbul, Paris) Not all of these are going to catch Miami so soon, but I believe Miami is certainly going to fall, even as it improves its skyline.

On the other hand, I do believe Miami will separate itself somewhat compared to other US skylines. It's just that the US as a whole is slowly falling behind on the list.
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I wonder why in that list most cities include their suburban skylines (Miami includes Miami Beach, NYC includes Jersey City..etc) but Sunny Isles Beach (#87 in the world) is separate from Miami. Include that as part of "Miami" and Miami moves from #23 to #18 right behind Toronto.
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I wonder why in that list most cities include their suburban skylines (Miami includes Miami Beach, NYC includes Jersey City..etc) but Sunny Isles Beach (#87 in the world) is separate from Miami. Include that as part of "Miami" and Miami moves from #23 to #18 right behind Toronto.
Well, they're almost 20 miles apart. The real iffy one would be Toronto and Mississauga. (which you didn't mention) Jersey City is right across the water from NYC. It's really just a small part of the entire massive skyline.

Miami/Sunny Isles seems more like the Minneapolis/St Paul separation.
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Old July 14th, 2012, 06:37 AM   #229
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Every city ahead of it is currently outbuilding it. Some of the cities behind it are currently outbuilding it. (ex. Sydney, Mumbai, Dalian, Tianjin, Wuhan, Melbourne, Doha, Istanbul, Paris) Not all of these are going to catch Miami so soon, but I believe Miami is certainly going to fall, even as it improves its skyline.

On the other hand, I do believe Miami will separate itself somewhat compared to other US skylines. It's just that the US as a whole is slowly falling behind on the list.
While some cities ahead of us on that list may be outbuilding us for now, there are projects that are scheduled to start construction that haven't started yet, and developer interest in Miami is very strong, with investors from Europe and South America continually pouring their money into real estate down here. Who knows what all we might see? I'd like to see Miami at least get back into the teens. We were 18 at one point.

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Well, they're almost 20 miles apart. The real iffy one would be Toronto and Mississauga. (which you didn't mention) Jersey City is right across the water from NYC. It's really just a small part of the entire massive skyline.

Miami/Sunny Isles seems more like the Minneapolis/St Paul separation.
I wish we could count Sunny Isles Beach. People have heard me say it enough times. It's the second largest skyline in Florida and growing, but yes, it's a little different from counting Miami Beach along with Miami because they actually border each other. Sunny Isles Beach is a bit of a stretch to count along with the Miami skyline.
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Old July 14th, 2012, 07:07 AM   #230
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While some cities ahead of us on that list may be outbuilding us for now, there are projects that are scheduled to start construction that haven't started yet, and developer interest in Miami is very strong, with investors from Europe and South America continually pouring their money into real estate down here. Who knows what all we might see? I'd like to see Miami at least get back into the teens. We were 18 at one point.

I hate to burst your bubble here, but the 4 cities directly above Miami are all CURRENTLY building supertalls that haven't been added to their totals yet. Miami is going to really have to ramp it up, and these cities are going to really have to slow down. The only ones that I could possibly see it catching at any point in the next 5 years are Beijing, Osaka, and Busan, and that's being VERY VERY VERY optimistic for Miami's chances. I would bet my life savings that Miami will not make it back into the teens at any point before, say, 2020. (and more likely, not ever, but don't feel too bad, Boston used to be 24th, as well as much bigger than Miami for a long time, and now I'm hoping it can get back into the 40's)
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Old July 14th, 2012, 01:04 PM   #231
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I hate to burst your bubble here, but the 4 cities directly above Miami are all CURRENTLY building supertalls that haven't been added to their totals yet. Miami is going to really have to ramp it up, and these cities are going to really have to slow down. The only ones that I could possibly see it catching at any point in the next 5 years are Beijing, Osaka, and Busan, and that's being VERY VERY VERY optimistic for Miami's chances. I would bet my life savings that Miami will not make it back into the teens at any point before, say, 2020. (and more likely, not ever, but don't feel too bad, Boston used to be 24th, as well as much bigger than Miami for a long time, and now I'm hoping it can get back into the 40's)
Nah, nah! You aren't bursting my bubble. I wouldn't be expecting Miami to be making any headway in the world rankings until 2020 anyway. One Bayfront Plaza (1,010 feet) isn't expected to break ground until 2015 and won't be completed until 2018. Brickell Citicentre (3 buildings over 500 feet tall and one over 600 feet tall) is under construction now. Then, 1101 Brickell (831 feet) is scheduled to start construction at the end of this year. Banco Santander (840 feet) is scheduled to start construction at the end of 2013 or the begininng of 2014.

The Genting group out of Malaysia still wants to build a very tall luxury condominium complex on the Miami Herald site in spite of the casino bill not passing. They want to make it a supertall, but the FAA won't allow one there because of the proximity to MIA. I think Genting is in the process of negotiating with them for what they will be able to build on the site and we're still waiting to see what they want to do.

The Las Vegas Sands, which was interested in putting a casino on the empty lots behind the Biscayne Wall (the four giant condos you see across from the America Airlines Arena during Heat games), didn't hightail it out town when the casino bill didn't pass and have taken a wait-and-see position looks like.

There is lots more beyond this planned. We just don't know what's going to make it and what's not, so I've just decided to wait and see what we get between now and when One Bayfront Plaza is completed in 2018. I'm sure at that point, there will be more under construction to be completed between then and 2020 and then we'll see where Miami stands. I might not be here to see it as I've said on another thread, but I'm already seeing a skyline that I never dreamed Miami would have in the nearly 30 years I've lived in South Florida with more under construction even as we speak. I'll probably be around to see Brickell Citicentre completed and 1101 Brickell, but how far beyond that, I don't know.
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I might not be here to see it as I've said on another thread, but I'm already seeing a skyline that I never dreamed Miami would have in the nearly 30 years I've lived in South Florida with more under construction even as we speak. I'll probably be around to see Brickell Citicentre completed and 1101 Brickell, but how far beyond that, I don't know.
We are all pulling for you Quantum. I'm sorry you have to go through it, but here's what you are going to do: take a deep breath and beat that shit into submission/remission. Then wipe the sweat off your brow, take a look to the sky, and bask in the glory of Miami's new tallest buildings looming over you.

In the meantime, I hope you have found some other cities to follow outside of Miami. Skyscraper lovers are rewarded on an almost weekly basis with new growth and proposals around the world. (if I only followed Boston, I would be locked in a padded room and never stop crying)

I haven't heard of this Brickell Citicentre project. Keep us updated with some photos in the development sections!
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Thanks! Taking it one day at a time at this point, one city at a time, and one project at a time.
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Q, you gotta stop being so negative, you have to be positive and optimistic that your gonna make it through all this, and don't keep on with this "im not sure if im gonna be around that long to see it" stuff. Keep your chin up, i may not know you personally but I know you can beat this. No one in the world appreciates and has a love for the city of Miami like you and the rest of "us" in the Miami forum do, you've been a hell of an admin. for as long as Ive been here and your photography is out of this world! ... Your in my prayers! Here's to seeing your skyline pics of world center in 2035
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Q, you gotta stop being so negative, you have to be positive and optimistic that your gonna make it through all this, and don't keep on with this "im not sure if im gonna be around that long to see it" stuff. Keep your chin up, i may not know you personally but I know you can beat this. No one in the world appreciates and has a love for the city of Miami like you and the rest of "us" in the Miami forum do, you've been a hell of an admin. for as long as Ive been here and your photography is out of this world! ... Your in my prayers! Here's to seeing your skyline pics of world center in 2035
Thanks! It might seem strange to guys who don't belong to this website, but seeing what Miami looks like in 2020 and beyond just might be what keeps me going. Hopefully, more U.S. cities will see their skylines grow in the years to come.
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I hope you get to see many more new changes to Miami's skyline Quantum!
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Thanks! Doing fine so far!
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The top Three Skylines of the United States NYC , Chi - Town and Miami simply takes your breathe away ...thank you for posting...howow2012

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