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Old January 29th, 2005, 12:09 AM   #1
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BOEING | 787 News & Discussion

It's official, the boeing 7E7 is now the 787!

There were many rumours this would happen, and finnaly it did!
This followed the 60 787's planes order from severel chinese airlines today.

I'm glad it's 787 now! It looks more official... more boeinglike!
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Old January 29th, 2005, 01:07 AM   #2
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Thank goodness, 7E7 sounded silly.
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Old January 29th, 2005, 04:15 AM   #3
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Thank goodness, 7E7 sounded silly.
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Old January 29th, 2005, 04:47 AM   #4
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Yes, 787 is much more practical, like A3XX to A380.
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Old January 29th, 2005, 04:48 AM   #5
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Old January 31st, 2005, 10:23 PM   #6
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One thing I've found interesting about the 787 is its variant numbering scheme. You have the 787-8 and 9, but also the huge gap between 3 and 8. They probably have plans for all those numbers. Based on past history, I would estimate the following table. I'd like to emphasize that it is total speculation, except for the models in bold, which are official.

787-200 Shortened Short Range?
787-300 Baseline Short Range
787-400 Stretched Short Range?
787-500 Super-Stretched Short Range?
787-600 I have no idea.
787-700 Shortened Long Range?
787-800 Baseline Long Range
787-900 Stretched Long Range
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Old February 1st, 2005, 10:16 AM   #7
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I love the 787 but why did they "saw off" the top of the "shark tail?" It looked better with a pointy rounded off tail at the top.
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The 787-900 will have quite a huge range, I think it would be, a flight from Auckland-Mumbai non stop.
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^ Auckland - Heathrow over/via Alaska / Arctic? (isn't that the main Kiwi-UK route?)
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Yeah, but now with the ANZ Beoing 747-400s they transit in Los Angeles and soon a new route from San Francisico to London will be made, this year I hope. The new 777-200s will have a larger range, and plan for direct routes to China and India.
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Old February 1st, 2005, 01:55 PM   #11
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i think 7E7 sounds better...E can stand for economy...efficient..extended range...evolution ..etc...besides Boeing is eventually going to run out of names they have to come up with a new naming method...
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Old February 2nd, 2005, 12:31 AM   #12
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^They can always start over with the 808.
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Boeing's 800-series should be next-generation powered aircraft, like hydrogen subsonic or scramjet. Hopefully the aviation industry will start turning away from fossil fuels soon before fuel prices rocket.
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I love the 787 but why did they "saw off" the top of the "shark tail?" It looked better with a pointy rounded off tail at the top.
Because the 787 is supposed to look like a dolphin instead of a shark.

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Old February 2nd, 2005, 04:36 AM   #15
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Boeing's 800-series should be next-generation powered aircraft, like hydrogen subsonic or scramjet. Hopefully the aviation industry will start turning away from fossil fuels soon before fuel prices rocket.
LOL Boeing will hit 800 long before it, or the rest of the world, gives up on oil.
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^ So true... we sure do love that oil.
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Old February 2nd, 2005, 09:56 PM   #17
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^Great use of smiley.
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Asia lifts Boeing's hopes for Dreamliner
Company says region's carriers account for 70pc of 'overwhelming' order level

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Asian airlines may elevate Boeing back to its position as the world's No1 commercial aircraft manufacturer this year, with regional carriers accounting for 70 per cent of present orders for its new Dreamliner aircraft, the company said yesterday.

In the year since Boeing's sales team took the B787 to the market, it has received 237 firm orders and commitments - worth US$28.44 billion at list prices - and another 429 "active proposals", mostly from Asia.

Michel Bair, vice-president of the B787 programme, said orders had "clearly exceeded expectations" for the aircraft, which will not make its first commercial flight until mid-2008.

"We have been absolutely overwhelmed by the market response," Mr Bair said during a conference call yesterday. "We are starting to struggle with the availability of [delivery] positions. We are fully booked for 2008 and 2009; we have a couple of slots left in 2010, and 2011 and 2012 are filling quickly."

All the sales activity prompted Boeing's head of commercial aircraft sales, Scott Carson, to tell Reuters earlier this month: "We'll beat them [Airbus] this year."

The list price for the middle of three versions of the new aircraft - the B787-800 - is US$120 million per unit. But analysts say they are probably moving for closer to US$80 million, putting the value of the firm orders at closer to US$19 billion.

Manufacturers routinely offer discounts to kick-start a new product's sales momentum, a fact acknowledged by Mr Bair yesterday.

"We'd love to get catalogue prices for our aircraft, but that's not the way it works nowadays," he said.

China, which Mr Bair said played a role in the B787's design capabilities, has been responsible for 60 of the firm orders and commitments to date. Japan's All Nippon Airways was the launch customer with 50 units of the shorter range 787-300 version, while on Tuesday Air India brought South Asia into the equation with an order for 20 Dreamliners, valued at US$2.4 billion at list prices.

"Geographically, about 70 per cent of orders are coming from the Asia theatre," Mr Bair said. "The Asian carriers are doing so well in such a robust market that the orders are skewed that way."

The 17 member carriers of the Association of Asia-Pacific Airlines yesterday said the number of international passengers they carried had continued to expand in the first quarter, up an aggregate 7 per cent on last year's strong performance.

Boeing designed the B787 as a replacement for its ageing B767. According to Mr Bair, it can fly 2,500 nautical miles further than its predecessor, burns 20 per cent less fuel and carries 50 per cent more cargo.

The "vast majority" of the orders so far have been for the B787-800 version, which can carry 217 passengers up to 15,700km.

A commitment from Cathay Pacific has eluded Boeing.

"We are talking to them," said Mr Bair. "They are in a unique position because of the flows in and out of Hong Kong, which tends to have them look at larger rather than smaller aircraft. But we are talking to them."

Boeing said last night its first-quarter earnings fell 14 per cent to US$535 million.
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Old April 28th, 2005, 03:06 AM   #19
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I noticed this on the Airliners.net forum which has a link to this forum and they have pictures of the final design of the 787. I'm not sure if they're kidding or being truthful but if this is the final design of the 787, I'm severely dissappointed. It looks like a funky version of the 767.

What happened to the cool tail, sleek nose and the interesting shape of where the tail and elevators meet?

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I hope this isn't true. If so I wanna write a letter to Boeing about it, not that they would listen or even read it. :p
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Old April 28th, 2005, 05:14 AM   #20
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^ I read an op-ed piece a while back saying Boeing would probably remove those "unique" exterior features once they finalized the design. They were put on initially to entice buyers [and apparently some SSC forumers too.]
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