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Old May 22nd, 2006, 08:53 PM   #1
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*Gautrain* Rapid Rail Link

So, here we have it folks... a thread in which we can post anything Gautrain-related... from this point in time onwards, let's use this thread.

As well, we can post a duplicate thread in the Infrastructure and Transit section of SSC and get feedback.

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Old May 22nd, 2006, 08:56 PM   #2
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Gautrain... May 2006



Introduction...

The Gautrain Rapid Rail Link is a state-of-the-art rapid rail network planned in Gauteng. The rail connection comprises of two links, namely a link between Tshwane (Pretoria) and Johannesburg and a link between Johannesburg International Airport and Sandton. Apart from the three anchor stations on these two links, seven other stations will be linked by approximately 80 kilometres of rail along the proposed route.

-The three anchor stations will be located at:

Johannesburg International Airport;
Tshwane; and
Johannesburg.

-The seven other stations will be located at:

Rosebank;
Sandton;
Marlboro;
Midrand;
Centurion;
Hatfield; and
Rhodesfield (Kempton Park).


This modern train will offer international standards of public transport with high levels of safety, reliability, predictability and comfort. Travelling at maximum speeds of 160 to 180 kilometres per hour it will reach Tshwane from Johannesburg in less than 40 minutes. The minimum frequency between Johannesburg and Tshwane will initially be six trains per hour per direction and it will operate approximately 18 hours per day. This public transport service will include dedicated, exclusive bus services to transport passengers to and from stations.

Besides the commuter service, air passengers will have a dedicated service between Johannesburg International Airport and Sandton. This purpose-designed service brings Gauteng in line with global practice which links cities by rail to international airports. Designed with facilities suited to their specific needs, airport passengers will be able to check-in their luggage at Sandton station. The trip between the airport and Sandton station will take less than 15 minutes.

Safety and security of Gautrain passengers and other affected parties are of utmost importance. The safety and security features are extended to other facilities of the services such as the station precinct and vehicle parking areas.

The Gautrain Rapid Rail Link project offers a cost effective, efficient, environmentally friendly and safe solution to some of the worst transport problems in the most densely developed area in Gauteng and indeed South Africa. It also supports many other government objectives.

The Project is now managed as part of the Gauteng Department of Finance and Economic Affairs Public Private Partnership Unit. Gautrain was initiated as one of eleven Blue IQ projects of the Gauteng Provincial Government (GPG).

Blue IQ is a multi-billion Rand initiative of the GPG to develop economic infrastructure for specific major projects in smart industries, high value-added manufacturing and tourism. It works in partnership with business and government departments as a catalyst to promote strategic private sector investment in key growth sectors of the Gauteng economy.

The Gautrain project is, therefore, primarily aimed at enhancing and supporting economic growth in the Gauteng Province and generating employment. This project is part of a longer-term vision, which will include a commitment towards creating and sustaining a new culture of public transport usage.


Why a rapid rail system?...

Gauteng, the country뭩 economic hub, is currently experiencing traffic congestion on its major routes, especially between Tshwane and Johannesburg. The current transport facilities and services between these two cities are mainly road based. The land required for a rapid rail system is far less than that of a road system. Apart from alleviating the severe traffic congestion, economic development will be stimulated by the rapid rail system and it will have distinct environmental advantages over other forms of transport.

The planned Gautrain Rapid Rail Link is aimed at providing an alternative public transport mode to car users and therefore to attract private car-users to the train. This service will help alleviate the congestion on the roads between Johannesburg and Tshwane.

The N1 Freeway currently carries some of the highest traffic volumes in South Africa with more than 157 000 vehicles travelling on it per day and a traffic growth rate of 7% per year. There is currently 300 000 cars per week day in the Tshwane-Johannesburg traffic corridor. It is estimated that approximately one-fifth of Tshwane-Johannesburg commuters will make the switch from travelling by road to travelling by rail. Gautrain should initially transport more than 100 000 passengers per day.

Traffic congestion on the N1 Freeway is currently estimated to cost more than R300 million per year, including production time lost during travelling time, higher transport costs and above average accident rates. Furthermore, traffic congestion impacts negatively on quality of life. Due to emissions from vehicles levels of pollution also increase contentiously.




Ridership and Fare Structure...

The Gautrain project is largely aimed at commercially active people that need to travel between Johannesburg, Tshwane and Johannesburg International Airport (JIA). Two key market segments are existing motorists and airport passengers.

The existing motorists will be the primary focus because of their large numbers and the importance of achieving a move away from private transport to relieve the increasing congestion on roads such as the Ben Schoeman Freeway. Given the planned network, the Gautrain will also attract airport passengers and workers on the link to JIA.

Forecasts indicate a potential current ridership of about 100 000 passengers per day, which is well over the international norm for a new rail service. An expected annual growth of 4.8% will result in more than 120 000 passengers per day by 2010.

The Gautrain commuter fares will be lower than the perceived cost of using a car. It will, however, be more expensive than existing rail and taxi fares as the new train will offer a higher quality service. Airport passengers fare will be higher than the rate per kilometre charged on other services. The fare structure was developed in relation to existing taxi fares, bus fares and private car cost.


Look and Feel...

Although the Gautrain Project Team envisaged a rapid passenger rail system with similar key operational and technical characteristics as listed below, some features may change during the final implementation of the project.

-Approximately 20 train sets will be required at the commencement of the service.
-Each train could consist of a set of three or four cars.
-The commuter services cars will be able to accommodate approximately 80 seated and 20 standing passengers. Trains used for the dedicated airport service will only cater for seated passengers.
-Trains will be able to operate safely and comfortably at speeds of at least 160km/h and higher.
-Operating staff could consist of at least 380 people when the service commences and grow to 480 in ten years. This excludes security staff and staff for the maintenance of the system, as this is expected to be outsourced.
-The International Standard Rail Gauge (1 435 mm between rails) was preferred to the narrower existing Cape Gauge in South Africa. Inter alia because it is safer and more comfortable for speeds of 130 km/h and higher, and will allow for more cost-effective procurement of rolling stock.
-Rails will be continuously welded with pre-cast concrete sleepers and elastic rail fastenings, spaced at 650 mm (centres). Crushed stone ballast will be used on open sections.
-Track in tunnel will be either slab track or concrete sleepers cast in a concrete bed. In both cases the rails will be elastically supported within the slab and the slab elastically supported on the ground, to reduce noise and sound transmission to acceptable levels.
-3kV DC or 25kV AC overhead traction systems will be used. If the AC system is used attention will have to be given to immunization of the existing signalling system used on the SA Rail Commuter Corporation and Spoornet services.
-In-cab signalling is considered to be the most suitable to the Gautrain.







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Old May 23rd, 2006, 02:54 AM   #3
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HOW CRAZY IS THIS IN A COUNTRY WHERE TRANSPORT NEEDS ARE IN GREATER DEMAND ELSE?
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Gautrain budget gets the most
22/05/2006 19:01 PM


Cape Town - The planned medium term spending on Gautrain is higher than the total transport infrastructure spending in the country, according to figures released by Finance Minister Trevor Manuel.
The capspend for Gautrain - the rapid rail link between Johannesburg and Pretoria - is R3.2bn in 2006/07, followed by R2.15bn in 2007/08, followed by R1.7bn in the following year, 2008/09 - a total of R7.12bn.

This compares with general transport capspend of R856m in 2006/07, R1.53bn in 2007/08 and then R1.8bn the following year - a total of R4.2bn.

These figures emerged in a reply on Monday to a question from Democratic Alliance MP Eddie Trent.

Manuel said the transport allocations included amounts for road infrastructure, passenger rail, public transport infrastructure and systems.

"The focus is on roads and improvements to passenger rail, including stations, signalling systems and coach refurbishment," the finance minister said.
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Old May 23rd, 2006, 10:51 AM   #4
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when is it suppossed to be up and running? i just skimmed

I remember reading about it in 2002 but never really followed it since than
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Old May 23rd, 2006, 03:03 PM   #5
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hey for people who didnt go to the meeting roads affected are baker street ,bath and sturdee street plus the i quote "does the 4 storey parking bay look into myschool" said a girl from kingsmead college who gives a f@ck!! the projects getting stopped by such stupid questions plus rosebank resis think there too good for sandton and have to make there own forum making it harder for bombela ROSEBANK RESis if u dont want the station us folks here in kilarney will take it
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Old May 23rd, 2006, 05:24 PM   #6
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hey all. can anyone of you please explain to me how to post pictures...? i have no idea how to do this. but, since i live down the road from Rosebank Mall, i want to start taking regular pics of the developments at the Station area there, and then post them here. maybe it will be better to send me a 'private message', then i can give my e-mail address and then someone can teach me how.... thanks!
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Old May 24th, 2006, 08:30 AM   #7
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its simple waltjie, go to www.imageshack.com & browse which ever pic you want to upload, then once its uploaded, it will have a kak load of links to the pic, copy the very last link, then come back to the thread,
type [img]then paste that link in here[/img]

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Old May 24th, 2006, 03:25 PM   #8
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Harkerb....

Thats exactly what i find so disturbing about this project. it seems that taxpayers from all over south africa are paying for a transit system for gauteng, while being totally ignored themselves. Why should everyone fund a project that wont alleviate the transport problem in SA, or gauteng for that matter??

So roads will be given greater tolls just to cover gautengs cost. Gauteng isnt everything
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So roads will be given greater tolls just to cover gautengs cost. Gauteng isnt everything
You know what Dysan1?... You are right Gauteng isn't everything. We are so sorry that we are now using your hard-earned taxmoney to build our train. Please forgive us. I think we (Gauteng-based forum members) should write to SA Government, Local Government and to Bombela, and tell them that this is not right.... Maybe, they will listen to us, and hopefully for you and other taxpayers around the country, they will cancel the project. THAT way, the taxmoney can be put to better use, and the whole of South Africa will live happily ever after.
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And now, back from the Twilight Zone in which some people still think that their moaning and bitching really matters to the people in charge....

These pics I took today, on the 3rd day after commencing the "Initial Works" in Rosebank.

First up, the Modutec Furniture shop on Oxford road, which will be the site of the actualy Rosebank Station. Soon to be demolished...





This is the hoarding being put up infront of the Zone (Nando's can't be TOO happy with this....)



...and towards the Park Hyatt...



Thank you to those who replied to me and helped me out so I know how to post pics...
I will go by and check on the progress sporadically, and take one or two pics each time.
Hope you guys like them!!
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Great pics - good to that some work has finally begun. Apparently the situation in Sandton (diagonally opposite the fountain at the civic centre for those of you who know Sandton) is at a similar stage.

Eeeeeeeee!!!
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Regardless of arguments, it's a project that will benefit the environment, and over time it will make Gauteng better and better.

Thanks for posting those pictures.... how exciting! Eventually, we will have photos from beginning to end of this project!

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build high speed trains..south africa needs to go big or go home...i support the gautrain.
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Quote:
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build high speed trains..south africa needs to go big or go home...i support the gautrain.
Ab so feck in lute ly. And I wonder, are the 'authorities' (now that sounds like an old Saffir to me!) going to start bringing in new rolling stock for the rest of the lines.
Or do Sowetans have to keep hating and burning the cattle cars they ride in now. Those 'red rattlers' modernised to silver/lemon needed replacing yesterday already.. They're from the 40's and 50's.
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So roads will be given greater tolls just to cover gautengs cost. Gauteng isnt everything
At Least we know where our tax money is going, I pay over 2 grand of taxes every bloody month! The train is fucking expensive to build, not sure if a scam might errupt from this porject in the future, but then again I dont know how much it costs to put up something like this. I hope all the money is geniunly going to the project & no fat monkey is stashing some of the cash into his back pocket! Like the train in NY going to JFK, everyone was against it, now everybody use's it, look at the majority of ppl working in joburg, most of them arnt from joburg, most of them are from Durbs/capetown/.....else where in SA, & many are bachelors/bachelorette's, so if they want to go home for the weekend (i.e back to their family's) they can just take the train to the airport, instead of taking their car, leave at the airport, worry about how safe it is, how much it will cost you for parking it there, all these worry's will be gone, but for people going to work that are going to be using these trains, not sure how many people will do this, because to use the train one has to get to the the station, so are they planning for any special buses or taxi's to go to these stations? or do they have to use the normal public transport (which many coperates will never use). Thats the only worry, but it is a good idea & good project, only thing that scares me is the cost, I hope no ones getting their retirement package from this.
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wtf?
I think Mo Rush was putting the *grin* in to agree with Thryves comments on the post above it..
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not sure how many people will do this, because to use the train one has to get to the the station, so are they planning for any special buses or taxi's to go to these stations?
Oh come on!!!!.... Durbsboi, I have posted HOW many articles already explaining in detail how its gonna work.... but here goes again:

As for the feeder and distri-bution system, it will operate within a ten-kilometre radius around each station, stopping at 500 m intervals, and will be of the same quality as the Gautrain.

This system will make use of 125 buses namely 97 buses with 35 seats, 21 buses with 55 seats and seven buses with 104 seats each.

The entire bus and rail system will be operated by an operations and maintenance company led by French company RATP which is also responsible for operating the French capital뭩 underground metro and interconnecting bus system.

밫he operation between metro and Gautrain buses will be coordinated, so as to ensure there are no overlapping of services, or hold-ups, for example, one bus getting stuck behind another, explains Andrew.


No offense or anything, but I REALLY wish that the majority of people will at least take the time out to educate themselves as to how the system is actually going to work. This information has been available for a few YEARS already, and it nothing new to the project.....
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You know what Dysan1?... You are right Gauteng isn't everything. We are so sorry that we are now using your hard-earned taxmoney to build our train. Please forgive us. I think we (Gauteng-based forum members) should write to SA Government, Local Government and to Bombela, and tell them that this is not right.... Maybe, they will listen to us, and hopefully for you and other taxpayers around the country, they will cancel the project. THAT way, the taxmoney can be put to better use, and the whole of South Africa will live happily ever after.

You know what, flap away princess.

But i cant believe how more money will be spent on a train that doesnt service many areas, than on an entire country who's transport system is falling into pieces.
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