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Old September 19th, 2017, 03:21 PM   #6121
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Privately Funded Rail Line to Set Own Ticket Prices

http://www.caixinglobal.com/2017-09-19/101147340.html

China’s rail operator will allow the country’s first privately owned high-speed railway to set its own ticket prices, as the agency tries to encourage similar projects to bring more private capital into the sector, a source close to the company told Caixin.

News of the decision comes a week after the signing of a deal to build the Hangzhou-Shaoxing-Taizhou railway in Zhejiang province, the nation’s first such project with private investors holding a controlling stake.

That deal is part of a public-private partnership business model that Beijing is encouraging for development of infrastructure in a bid to ease the debt burden on local governments.

In China, train-ticket revenue for privately funded high-speed projects usually has to be handed over to China Railway Corp. (CRC), the nation’s main rail operator. Project developers then get a “user fee” from CRC as their own main revenue source.

“A project company established by the shareholders of the Zhejiang railway will have more leverage when negotiating with CRC for the ‘user fee’ if it has the right to set its own ticket prices,” the source said. He added such a move was aimed at encouraging more private money to enter the sector.

A consortium of eight private companies led by Fosun Group will take a controlling 51% stake in the project.

A document issued by the National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC), China’s top planner, in 2015 gave CRC the right to set train ticket prices for the first time as the railway sector undergoes market-oriented reforms. That document also laid the foundation for railway projects that are privately funded to set their own prices.
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Old September 20th, 2017, 07:45 AM   #6122
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In which year shall Yuxi-Mohan railway and Mohan-Vientiane railway respectively open?
Yuxi - Mohan will be delayed due to the fact that Xishuangbanna West Section of Yuxi - Mohan collapsed and 9 workers has been trapped
http://www.mnw.cn/news/shehui/1839845.html
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Old September 25th, 2017, 04:46 AM   #6123
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A railway linking Lanzhou in Gansu Province with Chongqing municipality will fully open to traffic in late September. The 855 km railway is expected to facilitate travel and development in China's western regions.
According to this article, Chongqing-Lanzhou high-speed railway opens on Sept 29.
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Old September 28th, 2017, 07:39 PM   #6124
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Lanzhou-Chongqing railway to open to traffic on Sept. 29

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20..._136646047.htm


Photo taken on Sept. 18, 2017 shows a train running on Lanzhou-Chongqing railway, in the Guangyuan section within southwest China's Sichuan Province. Lanzhou-Chongqing railway, a major railway connecting Lanzhou City in northwestern province of Gansu with the southwestern metropolis Chongqing, will fully open to traffic on Sept. 29, 2017, according to a press conference held by Lanzhou Railway Bureau Thursday. The railway, which started construction in 2008, also runs through northwest China's Shaanxi Province and southwest China's Sichuan Province. It will play a crucial role in improving transportation efficiency and advance the development program for western China. (Xinhua/Liu Kun)


Photo taken on Sept. 20, 2017 shows the Hadapu station


Photo taken on Sept. 14, 2017 shows a train stopping at Cangxi Station


Photo taken on Sept. 19, 2017 shows a train entering Longnan station


Photo taken on Sept. 18, 2017 shows a train running on Lanzhou-Chongqing railway, in the Guangyuan section





Photo taken on Sept. 12, 2017 shows Langzhong station


Photo taken on Sept. 10, 2017 shows a train entering Wusheng Station







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Old September 29th, 2017, 12:05 AM   #6125
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Photo taken on Sept. 18, 2017 shows a train running on Lanzhou-Chongqing railway, in the Guangyuan section within southwest China's Sichuan Province. Lanzhou-Chongqing railway, a major railway connecting Lanzhou City in northwestern province of Gansu with the southwestern metropolis Chongqing, will fully open to traffic on Sept. 29, 2017, according to a press conference held by Lanzhou Railway Bureau Thursday. The railway, which started construction in 2008, also runs through northwest China's Shaanxi Province and southwest China's Sichuan Province. It will play a crucial role in improving transportation efficiency and advance the development program for western China. (Xinhua/Liu Kun)
Is this line going to be only for slow trains? Surely Lanzhou-Chongqing is ripe for a HSR link, and it's a bit unusual allowing so much slow train traffic before HSR testing starts...
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Old September 29th, 2017, 09:46 AM   #6126
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Is this line going to be only for slow trains? Surely Lanzhou-Chongqing is ripe for a HSR link, and it's a bit unusual allowing so much slow train traffic before HSR testing starts...
I was wondering the same thing, there is a D type train operating on the southern half of the project from Chongqing to Guangyuan. I could understand why conventional rail services were used when it was partially opened into Gansu, due to the small cities served initially. However now the line has been fully completed, I was expecting some high speed services. I doubt it could be a lack of rolling stock to provide the services. The line has been built to HSR standards.

With the Chengdu-Xi'an HSR soon to open, it will be quicker to travel Chongqing-Guangyuan-Xi'an-Lanzhou than to get the conventional direct train.
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Old September 29th, 2017, 08:46 PM   #6127
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Major railway in western China starts operation

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LANZHOU/CHONGQING, Sept. 29 (Xinhua) -- A major railway connecting Lanzhou, capital of Gansu Province, with the southwestern metropolis Chongqing went into operation on Friday.

It took nine years to build the Lanzhou-Chongqing railway, with a total length of 886 kilometers.

Travel time between Lanzhou and Chongqing is expected to be cut from 20 hours to about 12. Trains between Lanzhou and Chengdu, capital of Sichuan Province, will be shortened to 11 hours.

The railway, which runs through Gansu, Shaanxi, Sichuan and Chongqing, will play a crucial role in the development of western China.

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Old September 29th, 2017, 08:47 PM   #6128
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Shorter route to open for China-Kazakhstan passenger trains

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URUMQI, Sept. 29 (Xinhua) -- International passenger trains between China's Urumqi and Kazakhstan's Almaty will have a shorter route in China starting Saturday, a local railway bureau announced.

The K9795/K9796 trains will cross the China-Kazakhstan border at Horgos instead of Alataw Pass, shortening the route by 301 km. The travel time for the whole trip will be cut by one third to 24 hours, according to the Urumqi railway bureau in Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region.

Located about 670 km from Urumqi and 370 km from Almaty, Horgos was once a busy passage used by traders traveling along the ancient Silk Road. The launch of the Belt and Road Initiative has injected new vitality into the ancient land port.

The railway bureau said the new route is safer than the old one as it is less likely to be affected by bad weather. The trains will also have more deluxe soft-sleeper cars. Passengers can buy last-minute tickets just an hour and a half before departure.

The Urumqi-Almaty passenger trains first started in the early 1990s. In June, a new line was added, linking Urumqi with the Kazakhstan capital Astana. The routes also pass Horgos and stop in Almaty.
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Old September 29th, 2017, 11:33 PM   #6129
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URUMQI, Sept. 29 (Xinhua) -- International passenger trains between China's Urumqi and Kazakhstan's Almaty will have a shorter route in China starting Saturday, a local railway bureau announced.

The K9795/K9796 trains will cross the China-Kazakhstan border at Horgos instead of Alataw Pass, shortening the route by 301 km. The travel time for the whole trip will be cut by one third to 24 hours, according to the Urumqi railway bureau in Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region.

Located about 670 km from Urumqi and 370 km from Almaty, Horgos
Um.
That makes a total of 1040 km.
Meaning an average of 43 km/h.
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Old September 30th, 2017, 12:58 AM   #6130
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when the train crosses kazakhstan-china border, how do they change the track gauge train?
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Old October 2nd, 2017, 07:59 AM   #6131
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when the train crosses kazakhstan-china border, how do they change the track gauge train?
There is a bogie changing facility at the border. This is standard practice from China into Russian gauge countries.
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Old October 3rd, 2017, 02:23 PM   #6132
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There is a bogie changing facility at the border. This is standard practice from China into Russian gauge countries.
KZT (Kazakhstan Railways) does own a small number of variable-gauge Talgos (alongside a much larger set of single gauge 1520mm Talgos), which could be used to provide service between Kazakhstan and China without the need for bogie changing at the border.

There was talk in Kazakh media of a Talgo operating between Astana and Urumqi during the Expo that took place this summer in Astana. However, this never went ahead, the rumour being that China would not certify operation of vehicles it does not have experience of.

If Talgos could run one day, they could drastically reduce journey times between Astana/Almaty - Urumqi, but the reduction would be nothing like what would happen if a high speed railway was ever built in this area.
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Old October 3rd, 2017, 07:01 PM   #6133
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If Talgos could run one day, they could drastically reduce journey times between Astana/Almaty - Urumqi, but the reduction would be nothing like what would happen if a high speed railway was ever built in this area.
But extremely useful.
At present, the fastest train Urumqi-Yining is Z6519. Which takes 5:00 for about 600 km.
From Yining, it is about 90 km left to Khorgos, then 370 km to Almaty.
Sustaining that average speed, it means 4 hours Yining to Almaty. A total of 9 hours Urumqi to Almaty - which, unlike 24 hours, would be convenient for a single night.
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Old October 3rd, 2017, 07:37 PM   #6134
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The Talgo bed trains run through Moscow-Berlin in 20 hours, at an average speed of 92 km/h changing gauge and locomotive in Brest. If the locomotives were Talgo of variable gauge would take less even, but it would be more complicated to homologate.

It is not very well known but it is true, the first Talgo trains for Kazakhstan were of variable gauge. There are only 36 T-VI (Talgo 200) cars. They will reach 1,090 cars by 2020.
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Old October 3rd, 2017, 09:31 PM   #6135
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The Talgo bed trains run through Moscow-Berlin in 20 hours, at an average speed of 92 km/h changing gauge and locomotive in Brest. If the locomotives were Talgo of variable gauge would take less even, but it would be more complicated to homologate.

It is not very well known but it is true, the first Talgo trains for Kazakhstan were of variable gauge.
And a Talgo car that can cross from 1435 mm to 1520 mm in Brest can also cross at Khorgos.
What is the maximum speed of a 1435/1520 mm Talgo car on 1435 mm?
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The current Moscow-Berlin have a top speed of 200 km/h. Neither do they need more.
The current Renfe 130 and 730 series (the later in addition is hybrid, works on non-electric lines) have a top speed of 250 km/h under 25 kV and 220 under 3 kV. The locomotives also change gauge.
In 2020 there will be Renfe 122 series trains with a maximum speed of 320 km/h, the prototype Avril G3 has already circulated with variable gauge at 350 km/h.
There is no technical problem, it is the same to change from 1668 to 1435 than from 1520 to 1435.
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The current Moscow-Berlin have a top speed of 200 km/h. Neither do they need more.
Because they do not attempt to continue Berlin-Brussels-Paris?
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The current Renfe 130 and 730 series (the later in addition is hybrid, works on non-electric lines) have a top speed of 250 km/h under 25 kV and 220 under 3 kV. The locomotives also change gauge.
In 2020 there will be Renfe 122 series trains with a maximum speed of 320 km/h, the prototype Avril G3 has already circulated with variable gauge at 350 km/h.
There is no technical problem, it is the same to change from 1668 to 1435 than from 1520 to 1435.
Onwards from Urumqi, it is best times:
11:26 Urumqi-Lanzhou (by D56)
2:54 Lanzhou-Xian (by D2652)
4:26 Xian-Beijing (by G90)
5:59 Xian-Shanghai (by G362)
7:41 Xian-Guangzhou (by G98)
So a question is, what are the technical requirements for a 1520 mm Talgo train to change gauge in Khorgos and then be fully compatible with the 350 km/h lines in East China?
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The train is from RZD and getting to Paris means more than a day trip.

There is a problem -more bureaucratic than technical- in France, and that is that its rules do not let trains that are not formed by boogies (the Talgo have wheels that, besides, they are not united by any axis, they are called free wheels or rodales) circulate by their lines of high speed. This will end with the Fourth European Rail Package in 2020 as approvals will be made by the European Union Agency for Railways. Nevertheless, Talgo trains with French locomotives have circulated without problems by their conventional lines and the new trains of Renfe series 105 (like the 122 but with standard fixed gauge) will have French signage and they will circulate by France HSR substituting the present ones.

Talgo builds wide-body cars for Kazakhstan (3200 mm) so I do not see any technical problem for a variable-gauge train running at 320 km/h in China. If you want it for 350 you can also do it.
The only thing is that everyone is amazed when they see that trains do not have boogies.

In this web of Talgo explain their novel systems in English. Besides the variable gauge is the natural pendulum, without any mechanism: only the centrifugal force.
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Old October 3rd, 2017, 11:11 PM   #6139
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An image of the suspension of the Avril G3 and under the scheme of an RZD:

Each car circulates supported on the previous one, except one, which has two rodales. Can not be lighter.

A train without a locomotive, that way it looks better, changing gauge.


In his Thread (MISC | Railway Gauge Discussion) there are many videos where he looks perfectly.

We talk about the Talgo system, but CAF has another gauge change system for automotive trains with boogies.
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Old October 5th, 2017, 04:25 AM   #6140
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Newly built railway from Jiujiang-Jingdezhen-Quzhou. It will open to traffic in Nov 2017.

This is the video shot of whole route by drone.
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