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View Poll Results: What is Buffalo's best Building? Round 1
Buffalo City Hall 12 63.16%
New York Central Terminal 0 0%
Liberty Bank Building 0 0%
Niagara Mohawk Building 3 15.79%
Guaranty Building 3 15.79%
Rand Building 0 0%
H.H. Richardson Towers 1 5.26%
Goldome Bank Building 0 0%
Dun Building 0 0%
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Old November 19th, 2005, 08:21 AM   #21
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The sad thing is that 100 years from now there will be very few awesome 100-year old buildings to marvel over the way we are with these.

GET BUILDING, BUFFALO!!!
we're only 85 years away from marveling at the 100 year old Key Bank Center which is our newest. We definitely need a new scraper...if for nothing else, just to improve local moral.
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Old November 20th, 2005, 02:44 AM   #22
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I really don't think the Dun building should even be on this list and should definately be replaced by the Ellicott building which is much more prominant and historically significant. Nothing against the Dun building, it's nice and all, but it really is just another nice old building (which Buffalo has a fair amount of) instead of a signature building like the others on the list. I voted for city hall because it is the kind of building that makes a city's skyline identifiable from a national prospective.
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Old November 21st, 2005, 05:29 PM   #23
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The Ellicott Square Building has a very impressive interior, the enclosed courtyard in the middle with the massive skylights above, mosiac tile floor, and iron staircases. The swasticas in the tile floor are there because that was a popular symbol used in design (particularly Art Deco) that came from Native American symbols, before it became a Nazi symbol in WWII. City Hall has some swasitcas in the murals, and in the elevators. (Though the ones that were within an arm's reach were rubbed off during WWII by patriotic citizens.)

PS- The Dunn Building is cool because it's so skinny, but I agree about its place on this list. (Though Soundlab in its basement is one of Buffalo's coolest clubs!)
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Old November 21st, 2005, 06:06 PM   #24
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Actually Dunn is much more historically important in Buffalo than Ellicott Square. Dunn was the first tall building in Buffalo to use a steel frame. It is also a very interesting contrast to the guarantee Building becasue of its naive use of the steel frame. Dun used the steel frame to support only the interior floor loads of the building. The outer shell still used the heavy load bearing masonry system which dates back to ancuient times. Gurantee uses steel to support the entire building. All the masonry of the shell is hung on the steel add no structural support (hence it is called a "Curtain Wall" becasue it is hung like a curtain). Sullivan detailed the skin of the building to emphasise the thin steel structure and the vertical nature of the building whlie Dunn stuck to maore classical Roman detailing that had no relationship to tall buildings. Elicott Square is also a steel frame building with a terra cotta curtain wall like Gurantee but unlike that more famous building it again harks back to the Romans for its decorative style. One interesting thing to note is that Ellicott does take amny influences from Richardson's masterpiece Marshall Field Warehouse (emoed) in Chicago. This similarity of appearance is no coincidence since Ellicott's architects were from Chicago.

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Old November 21st, 2005, 06:12 PM   #25
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There is no way Dunn building is more historically important...the Ellicott Square Building was the largest office building in the world. How much more important can you get??
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Old November 21st, 2005, 06:24 PM   #26
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Actually Dunn is much more historically important in Buffalo than Ellicott Square. Dunn was the first tall building in Buffalo to use a steel frame. It is also a very interesting contrast to the guarantee Building becasue of its naive use of the steel frame. Dun used the steel frame to support only the interior floor loads of the building. The outer shell still used the heavy load bearing masonry system which dates back to ancuient times. Gurantee uses steel to support the entire building. All the masonry of the shell is hung on the steel add no structural support (hence it is called a "Curtain Wall" becasue it is hung like a curtain). Sullivan detailed the skin of the building to emphasise the thin steel structure and the vertical nature of the building whlie Dunn stuck to maore classical Roman detailing that had no relationship to tall buildings. Elicott Square is also a steel frame building with a terra cotta curtain wall like Gurantee but unlike that more famous building it again harks back to the Romans for its decorative style. One interesting thing to note is that Ellicott does take amny influences from Richardson's masterpiece Marshall Field Warehouse (emoed) in Chicago. This similarity of appearance is no coincidence since Ellicott's architects were from Chicago.

I've got to disagree with you there. I think the Ellicott Square Building's title of "largest office building in the world" (supposedly) at the time of its construction makes it much more significant than the Dun building especially because it serves as a reminder of the power and importance of Buffalo in its heyday. I really don't care what the Dun building is made of (especially because it only beat out other buildings to be the first in Buffalo with a steel frame by a couple of years if not months)-by that reasoning we should put the Corey building on the list because it was the first building in buffalo to feature a poured concrete structure. And a similarity to a world famous building in Chicago is only a plus for the Ellicott Building in my opinion.
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Old November 21st, 2005, 06:59 PM   #27
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If you look at it in terms of ground breaking technology and influence Dunn is more important. Ellicoot Square was the largest office building for about two minutes. I bet there were 50 buildings that beat it out in less than a year after it was completed. Ellicott is a follower not a leader. SO if you are voting I got to go with leaders.
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Old November 22nd, 2005, 12:22 AM   #28
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I'm leaning towards the city hall. But, they're all nice.
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Old November 22nd, 2005, 03:40 AM   #29
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Don't mistake my opinions, but Dun is nice, Ellicott is nice.

Steel is right about his facts about the Dun, it was a very impressive structure for a long time, and still today catches the eye with its orange facade.

Ellicott Square was the first office building to be built in the US to take up an entire city block. It was the largest office building (Sq. Footage) for some time.

While Dun still keeps much of what it originally was equiped with, Ellicott has lost alot from its outside beauty, including some "iron" heads, 10 I think where removed when the cornice was taken off years back.

Because there is much talk of these great structures, I will post a Round 2 soon.
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Old February 7th, 2006, 09:35 AM   #30
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i realize this is a really old thread.

i know you guys typically discuss skyscrapers, but i thought the darwin house and the albright knox deserved mention.
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