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Old January 16th, 2015, 03:22 PM   #61
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Exactly, ever since I saw the Aqua Vetro proposal I could see how well a 100m building would fit in there. It would mark the high point of a crescendo of buildings along the DART line starting with the Gasworks building. 100 metres would be far more defining and eye-catching in this area than two blocks of 50 metres.
You hit the nail on the head there Dvblvnia. Looking at the renders I couldn't help but imagine the two office blocks combined into a single block of 100m, perhaps retaining the wedge shape, but intersecting at right angles and tapering towards the summit. This would allow for a larger open plaza and additional apartments in the residential element.

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Old February 5th, 2015, 12:28 AM   #62
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This is to be decided tomorrow. From what I understand it could be rejected on the basis that the housing element does not make up a sufficient proportion of the development.
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Old February 5th, 2015, 12:38 AM   #63
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This is to be decided tomorrow. From what I understand it could be rejected on the basis that the housing element does not make up a sufficient proportion of the development.
What sort of asinine logic is that? This is a business district.
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Old February 5th, 2015, 01:33 AM   #64
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Residential is suppose to be 30%. I don't think it even makes up 20% of what is proposed.
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Old February 5th, 2015, 01:40 AM   #65
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This is to be decided tomorrow. From what I understand it could be rejected on the basis that the housing element does not make up a sufficient proportion of the development.

Maybe they could have had 30% if building height wasn't capped. How utterly moronic.
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Old February 5th, 2015, 01:42 AM   #66
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I shouldn't be just a business district. Why would it have to be empty after 5?
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Old February 5th, 2015, 04:16 AM   #67
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It isn't and certainly wouldn't be after either.
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They could have put more than 42 apartments in it for sure but it should go ahead as proposed. This is the problem with having Sinn Fein in the majority, they wanted a boxing ring in it for heavens sake!
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Old February 5th, 2015, 08:56 PM   #69
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Maybe they could have had 30% if building height wasn't capped. How utterly moronic.
There you have it, if the office element was combined into one taller structure there were be a larger open plaza and more scope to increase the number of residential units. But, that can't happen because it would breach the cap imposed on the site. On the other hand reducing the volume of commercial space will significantly diminish the return to NAMA and hence the taxpayer......

Rule by Committee....don't you just love it!!

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They could have put more than 42 apartments in it for sure but it should go ahead as proposed. This is the problem with having Sinn Fein in the majority, they wanted a boxing ring in it for heavens sake!

Spot on Davy! Loads of voters in their wisdom jumped on the anti-everything bandwagon and now Dublin is run by a bunch of Marxists, Trots and former terrorists. The result, anti-science votes called for de-floridation, chaotic scenes of being for and against the Garth Brooks Concert, every development that has a commercial element drawing the ire of the Council, everything remotely related to 1916 becoming absolutely sacrosanct whilst much of the Cities historic fabric falls apart, the Lord Mayor proudly telling radio listeners of how he assisted in Prison escapes and established businesses leaving Fitzwilliam Square after a homeless hostel is foisted upon them at a cost of millions

.....almost makes me thankful that the City Council has next to no power!

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Spot on Davy! Loads of voters in their wisdom jumped on the anti-everything bandwagon and now Dublin is run by a bunch of Marxists, Trots and former terrorists. The result, anti-science votes called for de-floridation, chaotic scenes of being for and against the Garth Brooks Concert, every development that has a commercial element drawing the ire of the Council, everything remotely related to 1916 becoming absolutely sacrosanct whilst much of the Cities historic fabric falls apart, the Lord Mayor proudly telling radio listeners of how he assisted in Prison escapes and established businesses leaving Fitzwilliam Square after a homeless hostel is foisted upon them at a cost of millions

.....almost makes me thankful that the City Council has next to no power!

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You're so right C. I mean DCC wrote the book on good governance, didn't they? Just ignore the rampant corruption, cronyism and backhanders from when FF, FG and Lab were in control of the council. Jesus do you write for the Sindo or something?
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Old February 5th, 2015, 09:23 PM   #72
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They could have put more than 42 apartments in it for sure but it should go ahead as proposed. This is the problem with having Sinn Fein in the majority, they wanted a boxing ring in it for heavens sake!
No Dave they don't have a majority on Dublin City Council, they have a plurality. In fact they nowhere near have a majority.
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Further Information has been requested. Highlights include looking to change the colour of the cladding from rustic/ red/ orange to white and grey.

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Old February 6th, 2015, 11:27 AM   #74
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Another white and grey building? I really don't see the point. It would have been nice to add a bit of colour for once in my opinion. Just read the whole thing, I don't think it's completely unreasonable. After a few adjustments I can't see why this won't go ahead.
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Please! Another white and grey building? I really don't see the point. It would have been nice to add a bit of colour for once in my opinion. Just read the whole thing, I don't think it's completely unreasonable. After a few adjustments I can't see why this won't go ahead.

Hi Davey,

I think it will indeed go ahead. I think the further information was in some ways to show interest groups/ people that had made a submission that they took some of their concerns on board. Some submissions had mentioned loss of light etc in their submission. The further information requested makes no mention whatsoever on the height of the proposals, to do so would have been contradictory of their own plan (although I wouldn't have been surprised if height was an issue with them, the council).
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Old February 6th, 2015, 02:45 PM   #76
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Under the SDZ surely they are not allowed to request changes on height once it is within the height allowed for. That would be stupid and negate the whole purpose.

It does look like it will go ahead though. I think the colour is different and would like to see it stay as is. No concern noted over the proportion of living space to office space.

One interesting note is they feel the residential building should share a more similar form with the office buildings. They may have to rework that building a little as they do kind of have a point.
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Old February 6th, 2015, 03:10 PM   #77
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Oh no DCC aren't happy, quick lob a homeless shelter in there. Maybe a methodone clinic too.

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Old February 6th, 2015, 03:49 PM   #78
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You're so right C. I mean DCC wrote the book on good governance, didn't they? Just ignore the rampant corruption, cronyism and backhanders from when FF, FG and Lab were in control of the council. Jesus do you write for the Sindo or something?
Hey Oriel

No, I don't write for the Sindo although I am a big supporter of its use....as toilet paper

No argument regarding DCC. Both the Political and Bureaucratic sides have for decades been engaged in the kinds of decisions that defy logic. I was merely making the point that the supposed new broom is really just another form of madness to that which went before....a slightly worse form imho.

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Another white and grey building? I really don't see the point. It would have been nice to add a bit of colour for once in my opinion. Just read the whole thing, I don't think it's completely unreasonable. After a few adjustments I can't see why this won't go ahead.
Yes surely unlike the Georgian Core this is one area of the City where a little creative licence and diversity of design is to be encouraged. Hopefully this is not a reversion to DCCs 1980s planning policy, wereby any building was given permission....once it was 5 floors, redbrick with faux Georgian windows!

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Old February 6th, 2015, 04:11 PM   #80
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i wish they destroy the brutalist ugly buildings close to the tara station as they wasted a nice area, to rebuild better scaled offices
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