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Old June 19th, 2017, 03:55 AM   #21
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I wonder if you are builder/developer or you just are stupidly naive. It never worked - will never work the way you talking about. Not only in accommodation but all other industries - food, cloth, car, electronics etc. That why we have regulations ensuring minimum standards - it is called CIVILISATION.

Sure, and your "civilisation" means dublin has a chronic under supply of accommodation with a further 25% of workers commuting huge distances every single day.
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Old June 30th, 2017, 06:54 AM   #22
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Management at an adjacent primary school said hotel rooms would overlook its playground

So the guests will be perving on the children? Is that the complaint?
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Old September 23rd, 2017, 02:00 PM   #23
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Old September 23rd, 2017, 04:06 PM   #24
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Almost certain to be appealed by the locals on Townsend Street so probably Christmas before this case is fully decided.
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Old September 23rd, 2017, 10:55 PM   #25
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Its crazy the amount of vacant plots and derelict buildings there are around Shaw Street/Townsend St, In such a central area of the city
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Old September 24th, 2017, 12:15 AM   #26
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Its crazy the amount of vacant plots and derelict buildings there are around Shaw Street/Townsend St, In such a central area of the city
It really is. You go on a walk around that area and it's striking how under-developed it is considering its location right in the centre of the city beside a main public transport route. The whole area needs a huge level of development to bring it up to its correct standard.
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Old September 24th, 2017, 12:46 AM   #27
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It really is. You go on a walk around that area and it's striking how under-developed it is considering its location right in the centre of the city beside a main public transport route. The whole area needs a huge level of development to bring it up to its correct standard.
It's really not that crazy if you think outside the timescale of your own experience. Up until about 15 years ago Townsend Street was at the edge of the known world in Dublin. The North Side of the Docks was the worst part of town and directly north of it. A couple of hundred feet up the road on the South Side was industrial wasteland. The city centre had never spread out there. It spread west and south. I was looking at a video on Youtube a while back with an aerial view of Dublin in the 70s and everything past Butt Bridge was desolate. Dublin used to be a poor and much smaller and Trinity College was really the edge of the city that close to the river. So when you think about Townsend Street, Hell's Kitchen in the early 90s should be your reference. Walking distance from Times Square and 5th Avenue but completely desolate and irrelevant once the industry dried up. It won't be under-developed for long...but cities develop slowly and we live short lives and have poor memory. Remember Temple Bar in the 80s?
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Old September 24th, 2017, 01:57 AM   #28
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It's really not that crazy if you think outside the timescale of your own experience. Up until about 15 years ago Townsend Street was at the edge of the known world in Dublin. The North Side of the Docks was the worst part of town and directly north of it. A couple of hundred feet up the road on the South Side was industrial wasteland. The city centre had never spread out there. It spread west and south. I was looking at a video on Youtube a while back with an aerial view of Dublin in the 70s and everything past Butt Bridge was desolate. Dublin used to be a poor and much smaller and Trinity College was really the edge of the city that close to the river. So when you think about Townsend Street, Hell's Kitchen in the early 90s should be your reference. Walking distance from Times Square and 5th Avenue but completely desolate and irrelevant once the industry dried up. It won't be under-developed for long...but cities develop slowly and we live short lives and have poor memory. Remember Temple Bar in the 80s?


Great perspective. I think this area will be great in a few years and will connect Grand Canal to the older city centre nicely.
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Old September 24th, 2017, 03:09 AM   #29
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Can't say I'm a huge fan of the building but considering what its replacing I'm not gonna complain, excellent news if this actually goes ahead. There's still plenty of inner city sites that are a hangover from our not so prosperous past but slowly but surely Dublin is becoming a much more pleasant city aesthetically
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Old November 28th, 2017, 01:45 PM   #30
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This has been granted permission but has now been appealed to ABP
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Old November 28th, 2017, 01:47 PM   #31
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Old November 28th, 2017, 09:18 PM   #32
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Of course it has

Can we not create some system where the appeal is part of the initial planning decision? Considering an ABP appeal has become an inherent part the planning process surely it'd speed things up a bit?
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Old November 28th, 2017, 11:51 PM   #33
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It's really not that crazy if you think outside the timescale of your own experience. Up until about 15 years ago Townsend Street was at the edge of the known world in Dublin. The North Side of the Docks was the worst part of town and directly north of it. A couple of hundred feet up the road on the South Side was industrial wasteland. The city centre had never spread out there. It spread west and south. I was looking at a video on Youtube a while back with an aerial view of Dublin in the 70s and everything past Butt Bridge was desolate. Dublin used to be a poor and much smaller and Trinity College was really the edge of the city that close to the river. So when you think about Townsend Street, Hell's Kitchen in the early 90s should be your reference. Walking distance from Times Square and 5th Avenue but completely desolate and irrelevant once the industry dried up. It won't be under-developed for long...but cities develop slowly and we live short lives and have poor memory. Remember Temple Bar in the 80s?
Good points, it does look to be integrating with the city a lot better of late. But those areas were not edge of known universe in 1920's for instance, they were made that way later on by planning authorities. There were thriving bustling districts located between townsend and the docks. But unfortunately due to horrible planning decisions such as george quay bank, which wiped out several city blocks and several streets (pooleg street) and large tracts of social housing made way for by demolishing several other districts and dozens of city blocks.Those developments then acted as a wall between the docks and the 'city centre' as they are completely lifeless and characterless and so nobody had reason to go there. Then the docks fell into decline and so Dublin basically ended at this point in modern times

The city did not organically grow to simply end west of tara street, these areas are around trinity. Of course there were people living there, they were formerly beautiful, thriving places.

A lot of people think only wood quay and the ESB building were all the atrocities committed against Dublin. they are the tip of the icerberg

Honestly dublin 'city centre' has actually shrank considerably compared to over 100 years ago. Yeh we sprawled and added huge amounts of housing estates, but thats it, the CBD, where people would travel to from suburbs, to shop, eat work etc was considerably denser, larger and further reaching (and about ten times nicer) a century ago.

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I was looking at a video on Youtube a while back with an aerial view of Dublin in the 70s and everything past Butt Bridge was desolate.
For those who are interested, here's a tour of the area in 1979 entitled "Beyond the Loopline" by the legendary Eamonn Mac Thomais

https://youtu.be/eRo4qFGCYl8

Check out Spencer Dock, the Point Depot, his walk down Misery Hill which now runs down the side of the Grand Canal Theatre.

A fascinating view of an area that was utter wasteland. It makes it easier to understand how even the most optimistic of planners couldn't have imagined a shortage of space in central Dublin.

I started work in that area in 1990 and with the exception of the first bit of the IFSC it wasn't much different to what you see in this video.
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Old December 2nd, 2017, 12:09 AM   #35
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A fascinating view of an area that was utter wasteland. It makes it easier to understand how even the most optimistic of planners couldn't have imagined a shortage of space in central Dublin.
Interesting video.. a bit of "rare old times" bs (for example lamenting the arrival of containers!).

But it hardly excuses "planners" since 1999 or thereabouts....and that's nearly 20 years ago. The same time that separates this video from the "rare oul times" it mourns.
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Rare auld times indeed.. one thing that made me sad was when it was showing the kids on Sherrif Street. It all seemed very innocent, no drugs and the kids looked a lot happier than the gangs of kids you see these days.
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Old December 2nd, 2017, 02:01 PM   #37
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Apart from the blissful absence of drugs, just look at those children.....Not a fat one among them. Salutary also is the comment about the little girls getting two shillings at their first Holy Communion.
Compare that to the opportunistic money-grabbing attitude inculcated in the children of today. The Holy Sacrament takes second place nowadays.
I am happy however, that that vast area of Dublin has been rescued from abandoned post-industrial wasteland status and while it is easy to criticize what's being built on it or planned, at least something positive is underway at last.

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The Holy Sacrament takes second place nowadays.
So?
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I feel like this will very quickly go wildly off topic !
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I know most of the posters here love to hate on the working class, but the religious angle is a new one. Maybe we could stick to the thing we're the least ignorant about - building development?
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