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View Poll Results: Do you support the proposed design for College Green Civic Plaza
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Old May 19th, 2017, 01:30 AM   #81
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The trees really make this space, don't they?

btw...where are the Luas poles?
They're in the photo, zoom in.
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Old May 19th, 2017, 02:21 AM   #82
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The trees really make this space, don't they?

btw...where are the Luas poles?
Perfectly aligned with the trees?
They need more than trees to attract people... culture... identity...

The security measures seem lower than this...

The bicycle lanes are almost impossible to identify...

https://www.rt.com/usa/388846-time-square-car-overrun/
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Old May 19th, 2017, 08:36 AM   #83
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Does anyone know what the plan is for Dublin Bus? Seems like Dame Street is going to be a big bus terminus with doubledeckers turning at Fosters Place. Not great at all.

Ideally you would pedestrianise Dame St. all the way up to the junction at Georges St. Could Dublin bus work around that? Their insistence on terminating practically every route in the city centre and using historic streets as bus termini has to change.
In fairness to Dublin Bus, not many of their core routes terminate in the city centre since Network Direct. The (proposed) plans for the bus network can be found here in part 6/page 12 onwards.

The NTA is currently planning on changing the bus network entirely, so I'm sure they'll be considering the College Green plaza as part of this.
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Old May 19th, 2017, 01:01 PM   #84
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Here's a detailed drawing of the cycle lane. My main concern is that it is so well blended into the plaza that pedestrians won't even know it's there, which means a lot of conflict with bikes. The junction also needs a clearly defined zebra crossing or something.



The bike lane, can you see it?

On Dame St. bike lanes are unsegregated and conflict with bus stops, taxi ranks and loading bays.



Bikes will have to share with doubldeckers here to negotiate the turning circle. Why do buses even have to come down Dame St anymore?

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Old May 19th, 2017, 02:19 PM   #85
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Is the turning circle necessary? Seems like a mess waiting to happen
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Old May 19th, 2017, 02:39 PM   #86
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Is the turning circle necessary? Seems like a mess waiting to happen
There are issues with this design that need further attention.
Never mind considering other "options"
I guess they wanted to facilitate the inclusion of Dublin Bus rather than a Luas stop or line. Original the Luas was going to chop the plaza in half.

Not always the best interests of cyclists in mind but...

http://irishcycle.com/2017/05/19/low...n-dame-street/
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Old May 19th, 2017, 04:34 PM   #87
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In fairness to Dublin Bus, not many of their core routes terminate in the city centre since Network Direct. The (proposed) plans for the bus network can be found here in part 6/page 12 onwards.

The NTA is currently planning on changing the bus network entirely, so I'm sure they'll be considering the College Green plaza as part of this.
Just to add to this, the full version of the EIS has the bus plans based on the current route network here (Section 6.6.2.3 - Public Transport Impacts).

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The rerouting of buses assumed in this assessment is summarised below:
  • Routes which currently originate/terminate in the vicinity of College Green (e.g. 65, 68, 150) would continue to use Dame Street terminating at the new turning around facility proposed at the junction of Foster Place and Church Lane;
  • Routes which currently use South Great George’s Street before passing through College Green and vice versa (e.g. 122, 16), would be rerouted to Patrick Street, Nicholas, Winetavern Street, North Quays in the inbound direction. Some routes may also be maintained along South Great Georges Street turning left onto Dame Street and onwards to Winetavern Street. Outbound, at O’Connell Bridge, buses will either use D’Olier Street and Westmoreland Street as per the existing situation or may be permitted in future to turn right directly from O’Connell Bridge onto Aston Quay. These routes would be rerouted to the South Quays, Parliament Street and Patrick Street (outbound, route 16 would use Parliament Street and South Great Georges Street). This is illustrated in Figure 6.5;
  • Routes which currently pass through College Green other than those using South Great Georges Street which do not terminate originate in the vicinity (e.g. 27, 123), would be rerouted onto the South Quays and Parliament Street in the outbound direction. At O’Connell Bridge, buses will either use D’Olier Street and Westmoreland Street as per the existing situation or may be permitted in future to turn right directly from O’Connell Bridge onto Aston Quay. In the inbound direction, buses would be rerouted along Winetavern Street and the North Quays. This is illustrated in Figure 6.6.
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Just to add to this, the full version of the EIS has the bus plans based on the current route network here (Section 6.6.2.3 - Public Transport Impacts).
What a mess..
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Perfectly aligned with the trees?
They need more than trees to attract people... culture... identity...

The security measures seem lower than this...

The bicycle lanes are almost impossible to identify...

https://www.rt.com/usa/388846-time-square-car-overrun/
Hmm I disagree, College green is small. It shouldn't be cluttered with unnecessary things, simple is the best way to go with this design
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Old May 20th, 2017, 12:55 AM   #90
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They're in the photo, zoom in.
Indeed that are; hard to know why Frank the Preservationist was getting so upset about them in the IT a few days ago...you can hardly see them!

I notice that someone has now actually voted against the plaza plan. Must be the owner of a parking structure
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Old May 20th, 2017, 10:44 PM   #91
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I think having an unmarked cycle path through college green is a mistake, Grand canal dock is a good example of an unmarked and unsegregated 'cycle path' that creates all sorts of problems for pedestrians and cyclists.

I'd have some concerns about the proposed fountains, and specifically the potential for this to go the same way as the Anna Livia fountain and the fountain once installed on King St. South. Maybe these would have been more successful in a warm weather climate?

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I think having an unmarked cycle path through college green is a mistake, Grand canal dock is a good example of an unmarked and unsegregated 'cycle path' that creates all sorts of problems for pedestrians and cyclists.

I'd have some concerns about the proposed fountains, and specifically the potential for this to go the same way as the Anna Livia fountain and the fountain once installed on King St. South. Maybe these would have been more successful in a warm weather climate?

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Old May 20th, 2017, 11:15 PM   #93
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An interesting prospect to think about is Westmoreland street.
At a guess, its traffic will be reduced by a lot, maybe 50%.
Does anyone know what is planned for it? Will it be a Luas lane and two bus lanes?

I think this is a good opportunity to clean up D'Olier street, Westmoreland, College green and Dame street altogether and have consistent design and materials.
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Old May 21st, 2017, 01:28 AM   #94
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I think this is a good opportunity to clean up D'Olier street, Westmoreland, College green and Dame street altogether and have consistent design and materials.
I understand that DCC's City Centre Transport Projects team are planning on overhauling and redesigning all of these streets as part of the City Centre Transport Study. I believe the NTA is also involved.

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Old May 21st, 2017, 02:45 AM   #95
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I'd have some concerns about the proposed fountains, and specifically the potential for this to go the same way as the Anna Livia fountain and the fountain once installed on King St. South. Maybe these would have been more successful in a warm weather climate?
Fountains work perfectly well if maintained properly, even in damp predominantly dull climates.
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What ignoramus designed this?
Taxis should have no ranks and shouldn't be allowed in bus lanes here.
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Is Foster Place included in the plan?

I always found this enclave to be preculiarly Parisian.

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Is Foster Place included in the plan?
It is indeed, see here (PDF).
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Excellent, thanks!
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I agree with Frank on this piece now just need a democracy...

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