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Old January 14th, 2018, 03:41 PM   #881
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Cycling today along the Oxford Road and Great Clowes Street bike paths! Good fun and a great ride.

I’d be interested to hear about any improvements which could be carried out between Fallowfield and Withington but otherwise great stuff!
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Old January 15th, 2018, 09:09 AM   #882
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When did the Great Clowes Street stuff happen? Never heard much about that. Good route to have done - but given the river path from castle Irwell is SO AMAZING on a nice day, I would probs only use Great Clowes Street if it was closed due to flooding or summat.



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Old January 15th, 2018, 01:44 PM   #883
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When did the Great Clowes Street stuff happen? Never heard much about that. Good route to have done - but given the river path from castle Irwell is SO AMAZING on a nice day, I would probs only use Great Clowes Street if it was closed due to flooding or summat.



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It's been completed for more than a year.

When travelling between Prestwich and the City Centre Bury New Road isn't bad for a main road on the way into Manchester, due to no on-street parking, few side roads, wide bus lanes with infrequent buses and a downhill gradient all the way.

Uphill there's one lane for all traffic between Broughton Lane and Great Cheetham Street and the gradient is tough! Great Clowes Street is a fantastic alternative for this. Really top notch infrastructure, with dutch style markings showing the continuation of the cycle way across the road junctions.
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Old January 15th, 2018, 09:31 PM   #884
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It's been completed for more than a year.

When travelling between Prestwich and the City Centre Bury New Road isn't bad for a main road on the way into Manchester, due to no on-street parking, few side roads, wide bus lanes with infrequent buses and a downhill gradient all the way.

Uphill there's one lane for all traffic between Broughton Lane and Great Cheetham Street and the gradient is tough! Great Clowes Street is a fantastic alternative for this. Really top notch infrastructure, with dutch style markings showing the continuation of the cycle way across the road junctions.
More info on TfGM's website here: https://tfgm.com/cycling/routes/broughton-cycleway

It was Salford's main Cycle City Ambition Grant 1 scheme and is the longest light segregation scheme in the country.
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Old January 16th, 2018, 04:11 PM   #885
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More info on TfGM's website here: https://tfgm.com/cycling/routes/broughton-cycleway

It was Salford's main Cycle City Ambition Grant 1 scheme and is the longest light segregation scheme in the country.
Back in November, the council were seeking feedback on this scheme, as some problems have been reported.

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For anyone who uses, has used or would like to use the Broughton Cycleway between Chapel Street and Great Cheetham Street West in Salford, Salford City Council are requesting feedback on the scheme from the perspective of key conflict points and incidents that have occurred. In our experience these include:
1) Poor/deteriorating surface of the Cycleway
2) Effectiveness of light segregation?
3) Dangerous junctions
4) Bus stops within the Cycleway
5) Poor conditions for people joining the Cycleway at either end.
We've added a few photos that highlight these points.
Please also share with anyone you know who cycles around that area. You are invited to submit your comments, photos and or videos in a form of your choice to [email protected]
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Old January 20th, 2018, 12:52 PM   #886
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On why “be safe, be seen” is nonsense

https://bangingonaboutbikes.wordpres...n-is-nonsense/
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Old January 20th, 2018, 02:52 PM   #887
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It isn't nonsense. Being visible can make all the difference between being involved in an accident and not being involved in an accident.

Is there an actual video for that article? Being involved in 5 incidents in a mile sounds unusual. That's about one incident a minute. It doesn't match what I see on the roads. Yes, cyclists are certainly the victims of careless drivers, but I have to say most of the incidents walking to work and back I see are caused by the cyclist not wanting to slow down. I saw one incident last night. A car turning right stopped to let a van out from the right. The van was turning right. As the van was coming out a cyclist undertook the car on the inside at speed, alarming the van driver who stomped on the brakes. He nearly got T-boned himself.
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It isn't nonsense. Being visible can make all the difference between being involved in an accident and not being involved in an accident.

Is there an actual video for that article? Being involved in 5 incidents in a mile sounds unusual. That's about one incident a minute. It doesn't match what I see on the roads. Yes, cyclists are certainly the victims of careless drivers, but I have to say most of the incidents walking to work and back I see are caused by the cyclist not wanting to slow down. I saw one incident last night. A car turning right stopped to let a van out from the right. The van was turning right. As the van was coming out a cyclist undertook the car on the inside at speed, alarming the van driver who stomped on the brakes. He nearly got T-boned himself.
That doesn't make any sense?
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On why “be safe, be seen” is nonsense

https://bangingonaboutbikes.wordpres...n-is-nonsense/
Hilarious how a lot of the comments are along the lines of "well if it saves one life"

Funny how concerned drivers are for cyclists safety, until it comes to overtaking appropriately....
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Of course they're concerned for cyclists' safety. Drivers don't want to see somebody get hurt or even killed. And even if some nutter really didn't care about the cyclist, they would care about all the inconvenience. IMHO the people who aren't sufficiently concerned about safety are the cyclists who take too many risks by running red lights and undertaking.
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https://bangingonaboutbikes.wordpres...n-is-nonsense/
Here's his follow up post which sadly pretty much sums up the entire discourse around cycling as transportation...

https://bangingonaboutbikes.wordpres...-when-it-does/
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Be seen, be safe. Surely doing everything you can to help being seen would help yourself too.

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Velocity 2025 | The General Greater Manchester Cycling Thread

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Here's his follow up post which sadly pretty much sums up the entire discourse around cycling as transportation...

https://bangingonaboutbikes.wordpres...-when-it-does/


Afraid I agree with Marni, this isn’t a case of hi vis doesn’t help, it’s more poor driving. I have a few cyclists go past me on the way to work (bit like a yo-yo) and the hi vis as well as the lights help massively. What this is bad driving, problem is people aren’t taught where and where not to overtake cyclists, and some people have no common sense and situations like this arise.

Personally this is the reason I won’t ride my bike to work, not until I can get there without going on the road which unfortunately I don’t think is going to happen any time soon.

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Afraid I agree with Marni, this isn’t a case of hi vis doesn’t help, it’s more poor driving. I have a few cyclists go past me on the way to work (bit like a yo-yo) and the hi vis as well as the lights help massively. What this is bad driving, problem is people aren’t taught where and where not to overtake cyclists, and some people have no common sense and situations like this arise.

Personally this is the reason I won’t ride my bike to work, not until I can get there without going on the road which unfortunately I don’t think is going to happen any time soon.
You're agreeing with the quoted post that says that the problem is the poor standard of driving. It goes on to say that hi Vis wearing makes no discernible difference on the experience of cyclists (as evidenced in the photographs that led to the post being written). The cyclist was visible but cut up regardless.

It is not legally required for cyclists to wear hi Vis, it is ultimately counterproductive to do so as it makes cycling look like some kind of dangerous sport instead of a convenient way to get around. This reduces cyclists numbers and increased numbers of cyclists is one thing that can demonstrably improve conditions for cycling. (Same goes for polystyrene hats)

As a driver I've never found it hard to spot a cyclist who wasn't in hi Vis.

Drivers who find it tricky to see people riding bikes if they're not wearing fluorescent clothes are incapable and shouldn't be in charge of a motor vehicle.

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