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Old February 18th, 2014, 10:20 PM   #2101
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Are they also being conservative to allow extra boarding time? I mean afterall the driver has to step out to observe and the train and make sure an okay is given by the platform agents.
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Old February 19th, 2014, 02:56 AM   #2102
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Yes but the point is that it is not long boarding time. A lot of time is wasted between the train stop and opening the doors (!) as well as between closing the doors and leaving.
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Old February 19th, 2014, 03:13 AM   #2103
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Yes but the point is that it is not long boarding time. A lot of time is wasted between the train stop and opening the doors (!) as well as between closing the doors and leaving.
I remember that discussion about dwelling times in metros in China.

This is what I noticed not only in Shanghai but in other cities too (Guangzhou, Shenzhen). Boarding time (i.e. time with doors opened at platform) in itself is normal and is not 'conservative' or excessive in any way. It's the time at platform with doors closed which is far too long.
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Old February 19th, 2014, 04:30 AM   #2104
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Here is a video I shot and edited of the Shanghai maglev. Please watch.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83TVw2CJxhk
Most awesome video! Truly the best way to connect an airport to the city. I wish more cities with far away airports would do something like this. Hopefully a further connection could be made to Lujiazui at least.
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Old February 19th, 2014, 10:35 AM   #2105
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Agreed. Great video.

The video shows what I experienced when i traveled on the maglev. The shaking.
You would think that the trip would be really smooth, but IMO it was less smooth than conventional rail.
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Old February 19th, 2014, 11:07 AM   #2106
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I remember that discussion about dwelling times in metros in China.

This is what I noticed not only in Shanghai but in other cities too (Guangzhou, Shenzhen). Boarding time (i.e. time with doors opened at platform) in itself is normal and is not 'conservative' or excessive in any way. It's the time at platform with doors closed which is far too long.
I would say it applies for all Chinese cities. And not only door closing time but opening too, which is really strange. The train stops, then passes up to 5 - 10
seconds, then doors open. What for?

The same is for Nanjing, Hangzhou - from my personal experience.
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Old February 19th, 2014, 01:35 PM   #2107
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I would say it applies for all Chinese cities. And not only door closing time but opening too, which is really strange. The train stops, then passes up to 5 - 10
seconds, then doors open. What for?

The same is for Nanjing, Hangzhou - from my personal experience.
Opening is actually not that bad. It's usually around 4 seconds (still too long) but it's the departure and closing the doors which takes forever. On average 10 to 12 seconds from my experience. Waste of time.

So total of around 15-16 seconds of unproductive dwelling time per stop. It could easily be done with 5 seconds of total unproductive dwelling time as most other metro systems.

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Old March 8th, 2014, 01:00 PM   #2108
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March 8

Shanghai metro created ridership record of 8.948 million


Line 2 got 1.58 million, Line 1 got 1.31 million, Line 8 third 0.9 million.

Line 7/11/12 created line ridership records.

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Old March 20th, 2014, 02:15 AM   #2109
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Shanghai will have 9 metro lines under construction in 2014

They are,
  • Line 9 phase III
  • Line 11 Disney link
  • Line 12 West
  • Line 13 phase II
  • Line 16 Longyang Rd section
  • Line 5 South extension (will be U/C in 2014)
  • Line 10 phase II (will be U/C in 2014)
  • Line 13 phase III (will be U/C in 2014)
  • Line 14 (will be U/C in 2014)
  • Line 17 (will be U/C in 2014)



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Old March 20th, 2014, 08:11 AM   #2110
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What is the estimated length of the metro by 2020?
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Old March 20th, 2014, 08:33 AM   #2111
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I guess it would be something in the neighborhood of 700 km.

Big-Dog, any info on what will be introduced in service n 2014, 2015 etc by year? You've said in 2014 there will be only 14 km of new tracks.
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Old March 20th, 2014, 08:38 AM   #2112
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Big-Dog, any info on what will be introduced in service n 2014, 2015 etc by year? You've said in 2014 there will be only 14 km of new tracks.
Many are U/C but they will take some time to complete. 2016 (or 2017) will be a big metro opening year for Shanghai. As for 2014 only Line 13 extension to Changshou Rd and Line 16 to Longyang Rd will open.
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can not wait the big metro opening year for Shanghai. Certainly show a very festive and luxurious
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Old March 22nd, 2014, 09:46 AM   #2114
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Shanghai metro breaks daily ridership record, 9.018 million

This is the first time Shanghai metro reaches 9 million daily ridership. Line 7/10/11/12 all broke their single line records.

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What other modes of public transport are there in Shanghai besides metro? Buses I assume, but is there also light rail, commuter trains, trams etc.?
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What other modes of public transport are there in Shanghai besides metro? Buses I assume, but is there also light rail, commuter trains, trams etc.?
Tram line in Pudong and some trolleybuses in Puxi.
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Old March 22nd, 2014, 09:50 PM   #2117
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What other modes of public transport are there in Shanghai besides metro? Buses I assume, but is there also light rail, commuter trains, trams etc.?
There isn't any tram line yet, actually, but there is a translohr line in Zhanjiang, Pudong, in the district of Technoparcs.

There are some trolleybus lines in Puxi but their number is decreasing. Some lines have been shifted to be served by super capacitor buses.

On some lines trolleybuses have been replaced by electric buses.

Finally, you forgot the famous MagLev.

As for Light Rail, there isn't any. I can't get so far why metro lines 5 and 6 are often called Light Rail lines: they are very normal, "heavy" metro lines indeed.
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As for Light Rail, there isn't any. I can't get so far why metro lines 5 and 6 are often called Light Rail lines: they are very normal, "heavy" metro lines indeed.
I think there's one planned for Songjiang and likely for more of the outer-districts.
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As for Light Rail, there isn't any. I can't get so far why metro lines 5 and 6 are often called Light Rail lines: they are very normal, "heavy" metro lines indeed.
In China, elevated metro is generally called Light Rail.

No idea why, but it creates very confusing situations.
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Old March 23rd, 2014, 06:33 AM   #2120
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As for line 6, I took it 2 yeara ago from Oriental Sports Center to Centure Avenue and all 12 stations (which is nearly half of the line) were underground.

Then, line 9, for instance, in its western part, runs elevated but no one call is light rail. Same to line 1 and its south-western part.

The point is that even short trains on lines 5 and 6 are generally of a higher capacity than, say, almost all train of "traditional" Paris metro.
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