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Old May 16th, 2017, 02:28 PM   #281
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I still think this. It's always looked like a ****ed up carriage clock to me.


You must be joking. One of the most beautiful buildings on the planet!
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Old May 16th, 2017, 03:17 PM   #282
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Of course, it would look even better if it was twelve stories taller.

Agree, it's a stocking filler !!!!!
Get it built
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Old May 17th, 2017, 01:24 AM   #283
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People also said the same thing about the Sagrada Familia and the Eiffel Tower and now they are amongst the most iconic buildings on the plantet.

Both were ego trips. Both were controversial. Both were out of place.

The point being is that sometimes being controversial is a good thing.

Of course the Arndale is downright poor design but it suffered from and as influenced by some bad ideas..
My point is though that all these buildings mentioned are actually of architectural merit. The Arndale is not, and neither is this, especially when it's beside 1 and 2 SPS.
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Old May 17th, 2017, 02:31 AM   #284
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The only modernist building I hand-on-heart adore is Newcastle's Civic Centre.
Oh dear lord Ed, what are you thinking?!!

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Old May 17th, 2017, 03:45 AM   #285
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People also said the same thing about the Sagrada Familia and the Eiffel Tower....
Reminds me of the famous anecdote about Guy de Maupassant (I think) who hated the Eiffel Tower with a passion but ate at the restaurant in the tower almost daily - because it was the only place in Paris where he couldn't see it.
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Old May 17th, 2017, 11:53 AM   #286
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You must be joking. One of the most beautiful buildings on the planet!
No, I really don't like it. It's an icon, but that doesn't make it beautiful.
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Old May 17th, 2017, 01:36 PM   #287
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Love it or hate it, that is Stephenson's Architecture. That's his style. His work. His trademark. He won't deviate from what he knows best. And from what he is comfortable with. Just like Ian Simpson's with glass, etc.
I like it.

I also can't quite believe the debate you guys have ended up having triggered by renders of a Motel One.
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Old May 17th, 2017, 02:38 PM   #288
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Big leap forward for St Peter's Square recently, an even bigger leap back if this is built. Shockingly poor given its location.
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Old May 17th, 2017, 03:10 PM   #289
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No, I really don't like it. It's an icon, but that doesn't make it beautiful.
I like the Houses of Parliament but I'm really not keen on the front facade of Buckingham Palace. Not a great example of Classical architecture. The rear is much nicer.
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Old May 18th, 2017, 02:19 AM   #290
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Shite.
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Old May 18th, 2017, 02:07 PM   #291
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I like the Houses of Parliament but I'm really not keen on the front facade of Buckingham Palace. Not a great example of Classical architecture. The rear is much nicer.
Much better before the add-ons


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Old May 19th, 2017, 09:56 PM   #292
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Old May 19th, 2017, 11:41 PM   #293
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Off topic but the Newcastle Civic Centre is beautiful. More akin to Brasilia than Toon, dominating the view from both Universities, miss it, graduation in there great memories.
More appropriate to the thread this Motel whatever the fcuk it is can not pass through planning. Just pure dogshite from the 'architects'.
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Old May 20th, 2017, 11:24 AM   #294
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Off topic but the Newcastle Civic Centre is beautiful. More akin to Brasilia than Toon, dominating the view from both Universities, miss it, graduation in there great memories.
More appropriate to the thread this Motel whatever the fcuk it is can not pass through planning. Just pure dogshite from the 'architects'.
Continuing the off-topic-ness, with Newcastle Civic Centre the beauty is in the detail. It's a stunning building, and the landscaping surrounding it continues the modernist theme and does, in my opinion, look like a 1960s Bond villain lair








But even when I tell people I love this building and point out the beautiful brickwork, and the almost art-deco detailing, they almost always scrunch up their faces and ask "why?! It's such an ugly building!!!" I believe this shows how universally disliked modernism is - it may have some beautiful examples but on the whole, as an architectural movement (and compared to arts and crafts, classicism, art deco etc), it's produced some pretty disgraceful stuff and I believe its clean, straight lines and simple facades is nowadays used as an excuse to simply produce lazy, cheap designs and call it something which sounds impressive.
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Old May 20th, 2017, 02:01 PM   #295
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Love the contrast it has to the Victorian (I think) church and gardens in the foreground. Really is a gem Newcastle. Sorry for skewing this thread but I'd again rather focus on anything rather than Motel St Peters, if someone took a picture of a bowel movement and posted a comparison to the Bristol stool chart I'd be more impressed.
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Old July 18th, 2017, 03:46 PM   #296
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And this one to the planning committee too

http://pa.manchester.gov.uk/online-a...=OPMLSCBC0E700
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Old July 18th, 2017, 04:52 PM   #297
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If this is approved it's a WTF moment for the MCC planning committee
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Old July 18th, 2017, 11:22 PM   #298
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If this is approved it's a WTF moment for the MCC planning committee
Yes but I hope you and all the forumers have made their objections officially to MCCs planning department?
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Old July 19th, 2017, 12:00 AM   #299
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Yes but I hope you and all the forumers have made their objections officially to MCCs planning department?
I have!

Comments were submitted at 8:14 PM on 11 May 2017 from Mr Ed Howe
Application Summary
Address: 3 St Peters Square (formally Peterloo House) Manchester M1 4LF
Proposal: Demolition of an existing building and construction of a 20 storey building (and basement) comprising a 328 bedroom hotel (Use Class C1) (with ancillary food and drink uses) on ground floor to 8th floor and a 262 bedroom apart-hotel (Class C1) with ancillary reception area, food and drink uses and staff facilities on floors 9-20.
Case Officer: Laurie Mentiplay
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Customer Details
Name: Mr Ed Howe
Email: ********

Comments Details
Commenter Type: Member of the Public
Stance: Customer objects to the Planning Application
Reasons for comment:
Comments: I object to the application in its current form due to the adverse impact it has on views from Princess St and Moseley St with regard to the overall aesthetics of the proposal from these angles.

This building is being proposed in a conservation area and apparently makes no effort whatsoever to fit in or harmonise with the surrounding buildings. It turns its back on Moseley St and Princess St and ruins key views from these streets.

Manchester Council has recently spent a lot of time, money and effort into redeveloping St Peter's Square. The space is now a huge success, and a pleasure to spend time in. I believe this proposal will detract from the overall feel of St Peter's Square.

I am not opposed to tall buildings or redevelopment in the city centre. However I do think that the bar has been raised in central Manchester in recent years with regard to architectural quality. This proposal does not meet the standards that Mancunians have come to expect of developments in our city centre. I believe this proposal should be redesigned, taking cues from surrounding high quality proposals such as Circle Square, Whitworth/Princess Corner and St Johns.

Best regards

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Old July 19th, 2017, 02:57 PM   #300
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Sorry Ed

Recommended: APPROVE

What they said about the view from George Street...

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View 2: From George Street

This view is from within the George Street Conservation Area, along George Street
close to the junction with Princess Street. The proposed scheme is clearly visible.

With the new building instead of the 1970s office block, the proposed scheme would
unify/re-instate the building line of Back George Street, Dickinson Street and George
Street. It would contribute to the tight urban grain of this part of the conservation
area.

The proposed simplicity and solidity of this elevation (with only vertically expressed
openings), combined with the warm tone of the building, would complement the
smooth stone of the Athenaeum. It would contrast positively with the horizontal
emphasis, deep window openings, balustrade and decorative chimneys of Princess
Buildings. The visual break proposed on the ninth floor would distinguish between
the hotel and aparthotel uses within the building and help to reduce the perceived
mass of the building.

The dense urban grid of the George Street Conservation Area limits the visibility of
the proposed scheme. The proposals would not alter the appreciation of the special
character and appearance of the conservation area.

While the building would be higher than adjacent listed buildings, it is not considered
that this would compete or challenge their robust form and No.1 St Peters Square is
already experienced behind the listed buildings. For these reasons it is considered
that there would be a neutral effect on the listed building.
http://www.manchester.gov.uk/meeting...ways_committee
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