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Old May 5th, 2014, 09:22 PM   #101
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Old May 5th, 2014, 10:13 PM   #102
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How about shifting it all by rail to the sidings in Clontarf Road and using it to reclaim land at the Alfie Byrne/Clontarf Rd junction. This would help to protect against flooding in the area and residents would gain new recreational land.
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Old May 6th, 2014, 12:19 AM   #103
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A good idea, seeing as all the land north and east of the Port tunnel mouth was reclaimed in the first place. Rather a lot of it. No train or trucks required, just an overhead conveyor belt on top of the existing rail line from the tunnel mouth.

The inevitable outcries from the usual howling ecomentalist types, orchestrated by that mendacious and irresponsible Frank fella in the Irish Times would delay the DU project by many many years...best feck the spoil into a quarry in Meath instead.

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Old May 6th, 2014, 12:24 AM   #104
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The Irish Times is anti metro, pro Dart Underground. It must be a southside thing.
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Old May 6th, 2014, 11:08 AM   #105
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They're pro DU because they're indulging Big Frankie MacDonald on this one.

They're agin MN because why would you build a rail line out of their tax money when they wouldn't be seen dead in a train?

What was wrong with horse and carts for de nortside plebs to get around on ffs?
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Old May 6th, 2014, 11:01 PM   #106
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East Point is built on the old city dump, there's a reason they don't get rid of the semi feral cats in the business park.
I don't think you'd get much support for any reclamation near Clontarf... Personally I'm hoping the port will get moved but that won't happen in my lifetime I'd say.
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Old May 12th, 2014, 08:20 PM   #107
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Iarnród Éireann annual report for 2013

http://www.irishrail.ie/media/ie_annual_report_2013.pdf

The net value of the existing infrastructure is €840m so Dart Underground will add 400-500% to that ( I think)

The entire fleet ( Rolling stock, spare parts and maintenance materials) is worth €26m ....and considering the 22000 fleet alone cost up to €400m and was ordered less than 10 years ago that is a fairly crazy number.
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Old May 19th, 2014, 12:15 AM   #109
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Another good omen for this project. I hope they can go back to those original consortia and see if they are still in a position to tender before launching another tendering process. It would speed the process up and expedite delivery of this essential piece of infrastructure.

I'd also like us to get it built and opened well in advance of a possible hosting of the Rugby World Cup. If it was in place in 2021 or 22 it would dovetail nicely with the tens of thousands of rugby fans travelling through Dublin to get to matches on the DART lines at Croke Park, Lansdowne and the RDS.
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I'd imagine they will retender the contract since costs have gone down - that way they will get a better deal.
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LOL....I was talking to a girl recently who advocated just such a solution (I think she'd been the Sydney Monorail). I countered by lecturing her about capital costs, land aquisitions, low population density etc before I realised that with every sentence she was drifting further away.....so in the end I agreed with the proposal. The things I do for totty

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I'd imagine they will retender the contract since costs have gone down - that way they will get a better deal.
I think you are right. Given the drift in Construction and associated costs and the lack of Infrastructure investments right across Europe compared to a decade ago, we are likely to secure a much more affordable deal with a renewed tender. The only problem is the inordinate length of time it seems to take to finalize Irish tenders.

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I think you are right. Given the drift in Construction and associated costs and the lack of Infrastructure investments right across Europe compared to a decade ago, we are likely to secure a much more affordable deal with a renewed tender. The only problem is the inordinate length of time it seems to take to finalize Irish tenders.

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Well that's the thing I'm concerned about. Even with fairly small parts of the Luas cross city project they've taken their time completing the tendering project. While saving €1-2 billion on retendering would be nice and is very important in these still-straitened times I don't want this project delayed any longer than it has to be. By rights, this thing should have been built in the 1970s but due to a whole cavalcade of events that hasn't happened. 2022 is the latest we should have to wait for this essential rail project. I almost feel like we should help out by digging some trenches in Stephen's Green!
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