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Old January 12th, 2017, 09:41 PM   #1261
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I genuinely believe that Sutton will be independent from Birmingham. The council is the largest authority and is arguably struggling to cope. One of cleanest and simplistic break always is to trim 100,000 off the population in Sutton.
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Old January 12th, 2017, 09:44 PM   #1262
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Yes I read that too ref Sutton Coldfield, from what ive read its only a small part of the Greenbelt, but what happens when all the brownfield sites are used?
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Old January 12th, 2017, 09:50 PM   #1263
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There must be 100,000 people in the Sutton area covered by Birmingham City Council. These 6,000 proposed new homes will add another 15,000 people, maybe closer to 20,000. Add in Little Aston and the 20,000 people in the Streetly ward, which has no real connection to Walsall anyway, and you`ve got close to 150,000 population.

Sutton should be independent.
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Old January 12th, 2017, 10:01 PM   #1264
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Little Aston and Streetly will stay in Walsall.
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Old January 12th, 2017, 10:08 PM   #1265
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Isn't Little Aston in Lichfield District? Streetly does kind of feel in no man's land; attached to no one and not really a proper town itself.

It's a shame mini local referendums can't be done for these kinds of matters. Non binding, of course.
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Old January 12th, 2017, 10:09 PM   #1266
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Why would sutton want to be independent? And what would it gain?
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Old January 12th, 2017, 10:12 PM   #1267
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Independence.
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Old January 12th, 2017, 10:16 PM   #1268
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Isn't Little Aston in Lichfield District? Streetly does kind of feel in no man's land; attached to no one and not really a proper town itself.

It's a shame mini local referendums can't be done for these kinds of matters. Non binding, of course.
Yep you're right my bad.
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Old January 12th, 2017, 10:17 PM   #1269
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Why would sutton want to be independent? And what would it gain?
That's not the question here. The issue is over whether BCC is able to deliver its services with a growing population. Sutton doesn't have much to gain other than self governance...To a degree.
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Old January 12th, 2017, 10:40 PM   #1270
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Well with the right level of services and money to pay for them it can be accessed quite well, for instance have a local sales tax say 5% too, there is lots of little improvements that can be done, without cost cutting etc, plus can actually improve services.
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Old January 12th, 2017, 10:50 PM   #1271
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It would need to take a large chunk of northeast birmingham with it to command the population for 'independence'. Its a political ambition, not necessarily reflectling the reality of its location and make up, or its interdependence on birmingham. It wasn't added to the city boundary for no reason in 74. I suspect in any future LG reorganisation it may well be merged with surrounding suburban areas to form a unintary. However that wouldn't necessarily be the independence talked about by its local councillors. Ironically in an age of austerity its residents who in the most part voted for austerity, think they should have their own council. Which in reality is not cost efficient at all.....just saying selfish and hypocritical spring to mind. I also wonder how well the green belt would be protected when the newly powerful councilors were lobbied directly by the development industry....
Judging by other shire councils...not very
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Old January 12th, 2017, 11:23 PM   #1272
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I think there's a chance Sutton Coldfield will become independent again, which could be good for both Sutton and Birmingham (Brum not having to cover Sutton services). I've noticed that the National Media don't seem to recognise Sutton as part of the CITY of Birmingham anyway. Not that it makes any real difference as it's still part of the Birmingham area...
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Old January 13th, 2017, 12:46 AM   #1273
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Despite being within the current Birmingham council boundary, I guess Sutton Coldfield having its own post town address helps some people feel separate from Birmingham to a certain degree, and not having to put Birmingham in their address. It's the only part of Birmingham with its own post town isn't it?
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Little Aston and Streetly will stay in Walsall.

No it won`t. It will go into an independent Sutton.
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Old January 13th, 2017, 03:47 PM   #1275
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Whats the big deal not wanting to be part of Birmingham its ridiculous to say the least, sounds like nimbys types sorry, but no wonder people prefer Manchester as the second city, and I dont wonder why this region getts a poor deal . There is quite a lot of big towns that have smaller towns or villages part of them, . Like I say you can still have your own town and culture but still be part of a larger city!
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Old January 13th, 2017, 04:00 PM   #1276
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Yes, you can. But you can also be a successful "independent" town. Look at nearby Lichfield - does that suffer? I'd guess out of all of Birmingham's towns and villages Sutton would be the only one to "break away" so don't worry!
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Old January 13th, 2017, 04:11 PM   #1277
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Again, the question that raised this is about Birmingham's growth and whether it is able to continue in its current form. It is having difficulty at the moment with cuts, but it never had a great track record anyway.

I believe we fill follow a London borough format with Sutton forming a separate entity as it has the prospect of a cleaner break away.
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Well why not have say the following district's , 1 central south Birmingham, ie Edgbaston, kings norton, northfield, kings heath, stirchley, areas, 2 south east Birmingham, accocks green, and the places off Warwick and coventry road, 3 east birmingham , ie tile cross, Sheldon, the meadways areas,
4 north birmingham sutton coldfield areas, 5 central north Birmingham , 6 west Birmingham, and
7 central city zone. All run as separate districts but transport , etc run as city wide things, plus city hall in control.
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Again, the question that raised this is about Birmingham's growth and whether it is able to continue in its current form. It is having difficulty at the moment with cuts, but it never had a great track record anyway.

I believe we fill follow a London borough format with Sutton forming a separate entity as it has the prospect of a cleaner break away.
I agree with you hoody, I think that in the near future Birmingham City Council will be divided into smaller councils. The current situation is not working for the City.

As for Sutton being 'independent', it will still be in the Birmingham area so there will be little difference apart from being run more locally (same as Solihull).

In response to Mr Butterfield's post about Lichfield being successful as an independent town...independent but not that independent considering their links with the GBSLEP. I doubt Lichfield would be as successful without being a member.
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Old January 13th, 2017, 09:47 PM   #1280
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Yes, you can. But you can also be a successful "independent" town. Look at nearby Lichfield - does that suffer? I'd guess out of all of Birmingham's towns and villages Sutton would be the only one to "break away" so don't worry!
A huge proportion of people living in Lichfield work in Birmingham. Also as Rijowhite said.

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Again, the question that raised this is about Birmingham's growth and whether it is able to continue in its current form. It is having difficulty at the moment with cuts, but it never had a great track record anyway.

I believe we fill follow a London borough format with Sutton forming a separate entity as it has the prospect of a cleaner break away.
Will the people of Sutton be happy to pay the benefits of those in Falcon Lodge? I reckon you might see Sutton try to Annex them to Birmingham.

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Well why not have say the following district's , 1 central south Birmingham, ie Edgbaston, kings norton, northfield, kings heath, stirchley, areas, 2 south east Birmingham, accocks green, and the places off Warwick and coventry road, 3 east birmingham , ie tile cross, Sheldon, the meadways areas,
4 north birmingham sutton coldfield areas, 5 central north Birmingham , 6 west Birmingham, and
7 central city zone. All run as separate districts but transport , etc run as city wide things, plus city hall in control.
As i have explained before, economically some of those areas would be so deprived they wouldn't collect enough council tax to cover basic services.
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