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Old July 18th, 2015, 06:19 AM   #201
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I thought when the city removed a number of trees in Occidental Park that it was going to solve the homeless issue in the park?
The only way to solve the homeless issue is to get them homes. It doesn't have to be permanent. Give them 6-8 months to live some place. Give them job training, drug treatment, etc. so they can turn their lives around.

Hoping they will go away because of a change in the built environment will not work.
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Old July 18th, 2015, 06:31 AM   #202
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Old July 18th, 2015, 06:35 AM   #203
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The only way to solve the homeless issue is to get them homes. It doesn't have to be permanent. Give them 6-8 months to live some place. Give them job training, drug treatment, etc. so they can turn their lives around.

Hoping they will go away because of a change in the built environment will not work.
I was being sarcastic. When the city removed a number of trees a couple of years ago, they were very emphatic that the loitering and the homeless problem would be greatly reduced or somehow magically go away.
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Old July 18th, 2015, 07:19 AM   #204
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The only way to solve the homeless issue is to get them homes. It doesn't have to be permanent. Give them 6-8 months to live some place. Give them job training, drug treatment, etc. so they can turn their lives around.

Hoping they will go away because of a change in the built environment will not work.
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Old July 18th, 2015, 05:37 PM   #205
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The only way to solve the homeless issue is to get them homes. It doesn't have to be permanent. Give them 6-8 months to live some place. Give them job training, drug treatment, etc. so they can turn their lives around.

Hoping they will go away because of a change in the built environment will not work.
I don't think that would matter unless every city on the west coast did a better job. Personally, most of my interactions with homeless people whether it was Seattle, San Diego, Phoenix, or elsewhere have been good normal interactions.

Even if you build housing they still have to eat. Pioneer Square has lots of services for homeless so that is a spot many hang out.

I hope the activity from this building deters people who want to be criminals, whether homeless or not. I expect this building along with other developments in the neighborhood to make it more eclectic. Filled with people from all sorts of places. Because honestly that is one of my favorite parts about visiting home.
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Old July 18th, 2015, 06:50 PM   #206
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We have a truly bizarre situation where we don't have public bathrooms, benches, parks, unfenced sidewalk areas for bars and restaurants, unsecured building entries, and so on all in sizeable part to wierdos on the street.

The answer needs to be to actually have at least the first three, so diffusion theory can take effect. Twice as much park space and twice as many benches, and the ratio of bums to bench is cut by 50%. Or realistically maybe 40%. But by encouraging normals to site there too, maybe it would be 50%.

Of course the problem is drunks, scofflaws, and the insane, not basic poor people. Bust the former, and give the latter more places to sit. Put the insane back into institutions or treatment.

The bar thing is just the US and state making things worse via cracking down, as we like to do.

It would be great to add five or ten full-size public bathrooms in core districts, each with an attendant. Or alternately a bunch of Portland Loos or whatever they're called. The latter would be affordable due to advertising. The cost is high either way, but it's way better than the current situation.
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Old July 23rd, 2015, 12:06 AM   #207
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Something ironic about this scene is that there's a huge labor shortage in our building industries. And a large number of homeless (and presumably jobless) right next to a construction site...
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Old July 23rd, 2015, 05:18 AM   #208
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Something ironic about this scene is that there's a huge labor shortage in our building industries. And a large number of homeless (and presumably jobless) right next to a construction site...
I think the key word you're missing is "Skilled". As in there's a huge shortage in Skilled labor. Takes special know how to do drywall, fancy tile setting, crane operation, etc. You can just grab some random alcoholic/drug addict/disabled person off the street and expect them to go start swinging hammers.
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Old July 23rd, 2015, 08:40 AM   #209
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Sure I can. Hammers are pretty easy. So are shovels and brooms. Are you telling me job sites don't need any unskilled labor?
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Old July 23rd, 2015, 05:22 PM   #210
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There's zero chance that you'd be allowed on a commercial jobsite for a top (i.e. union) general contractor. You have to be in the union, which means you're trained, have healthcare, take a drug test, etc.

If you want to build a 5+1 or a strip mall, that's usually non-union, and they might have use for unskilled labor.

But even then, the bar is probably pretty high for an untrained person to be useful enough to offset them getting in the way, the liability, and so on.
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Old July 23rd, 2015, 06:11 PM   #211
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Of course. But I've heard a lot of claims of a labor shortage in the construction world. You would think that if it's a large enough problem someone would invest in the basic training necessary to make sure they don't get in the way. We're not talking about a master's degree here.

And yes, I realize there are a wide range of problems that puts people on the street that make them less- (or un-) employable. But unless we're really at 0% unemployment, it seems like much of our labor issues are solvable.
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Old July 23rd, 2015, 06:12 PM   #212
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You have to...take a drug test
Damn. So much for my summer-job hopes.
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Old July 23rd, 2015, 06:46 PM   #213
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Yes, we'd kill to get more people into apprentice programs. The trades were already trending toward older workers before the bust, then a bunch of people retired or changed industries in the downturn, so now the labor pool is smaller than it was. Kids should know the pay is good (think upper 30s/hour) and you get an increasing percentage of that while you're an apprentice. Even you Geoff if you can drop the drug habit!

Seattle can boom like this because most of the country isn't. When that changes the labor shortage will get severe.
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Old July 23rd, 2015, 11:38 PM   #214
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Westlake Park has been having "Dance til Dusk" nights with live bands, decorative lighting and dancing. Not a bum or criminal to be found.

Supports my "make it lame and it'll be safe" theory. Criminals don't like rumba music.
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Old July 23rd, 2015, 11:52 PM   #215
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I just walked by at lunch, and there were plenty of homeless. But they were right next to many, many more tourists, families, and office workers playing shuffleboard and ping pong. Actually, some homeless-looking men were playing chess. This is a large improvement.
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