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Old March 21st, 2011, 07:32 PM   #1
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High-Speed Rail in India

The Indian Ministry of Railways' white-paper Vision 2020 submitted to Indian Parliament by Railway Minister Mamata Banerjee on December 18 2009 envisages the implementation of regional high-speed rail projects to provide services at 250-350 km/h, and planning for corridors connecting commercial, tourist and pilgrimage hubs. Six corridors have already been identified for technical studies on setting up of high-speed rail corridors:

1. Delhi-Chandigarh-Amritsar.
2. Pune-Mumbai-Ahmedabad.
3. Hyderabad-Dornakal-Vijayawada-Chennai
4. Howrah-Haldia
5. Chennai-Bangalore-Coimbatore-Ernakulam
6. Delhi-Agra-Lucknow-Varanasi-Patna.

These high-speed rail corridors will be built as elevated corridors in keeping with the pattern of habitation and the constraint of land.

Estimated cost

In a feasibility study published in 1987, RDSO and JICA estimated the construction cost to be Rs 49 million per km, for a line dedicated to 250-300 km/h trains. In 2010, that 1987-estimated cost, inflated at 10% a year, would be Rs 439 million per km (US$ 9.5 million/km). RITES is currently performing a feasibility study.

According to news media, the costs for constructing such rail lines in India are estimated to be Rs 700-1000 million per km (US$ 15-22 million/km). Therefore the Mumbai-Ahmedabad route of 500 km, will cost Rs 370 billion (US$ 8.04 billion) to build and to make a profit, passengers will have to be charged Rs 5 per km (US$ 0.11/km). Delhi to Amritsar one-way, a distance of 450 km, will cost about Rs 2000 (US$ 43.48).

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Old March 21st, 2011, 07:35 PM   #2
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UK firm to study pre-feasibility of Delhi-Patna bullet trains

New Delhi, Mar 21 (PTI) Aiming at connecting Patna with high speed train, the railways will undertake a pre- feasibility study of Delhi-Patna rail route, which would be conducted by a British firm.
"UK firm Mott Macdonald has been given the responsibility of conducting the pre-feasibility study of the 993-km-long Delhi-Patna route," a senior Railway Ministry official said.
It would cost the Railways Rs 8.8 crore for preparing the report, which would focus on technicalities, financial and operational viability of the project on Delhi-Agra-Lucknow- Varanasi-Patna route, he said.
The firm has to submit the report within seven months.
"The report would suggest the cost, ridership, alignment, commercial exploitation of land along the route and possible business plan of the Delhi-Patna high speed rail corridor," the official said.
While it takes about more than 12 hours to travel to Patna by Rajdhani, the high speed train is expected to complete the journey in less than five hours.
The Railways so far has identified six routes as possible high speed corridors for running trains at the speed of 250 to 350 km per hour .
While the study for Pune-Mumbai-Ahmedabad route is complete, the next routes to be taken up for similar study are Howrah-Haldia and Delhi-Chandigarh-Amritsar sectors.
Later on study for the remaining routes -- Hyderabad- Dornakal-Vijaywada-Chennai and Chennai-Bangalore-Coimbatore- Ernakulum would be taken up for the proposed high speed train corridor.
In order to expedite the work, the Railways is setting up an independent authority -- National High Speed Rail Authority -- to plan and execute the bullet train project.
Currently it cost about Rs six crore for construction of one km rail route, while it is estimated to cost Rs 70 crore for construction of one km high speed rail corridor.
Since the high speed corridor is a costly proposition, it is being planned to implement it on PPP model with the participation of state governments, the official said.
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Old March 21st, 2011, 10:36 PM   #3
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this is , if ever, 30 years off.
the study is just a job creation scheme..
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Old March 21st, 2011, 10:51 PM   #4
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High speed rail in India would be quite beneficial given the vast area and distances between the major cities. Therefore it makes sense to invest in this technology especially since there is a demand in our country. They should start with Delhi-Mumbai route and work their way across the country. I do think though that railways will have to be privatized in order the achieve such a feat, similar to the liberalization of the aviation sector. I don't think we have the resources or the technology to build our own trains. We would probably have to import them from China/Japan/Korea.

I doubt though that there is the political will or incentive to seriously plan and implement something of this magnitude. There is too much money to be made in the current system.
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LOL. Corrected. Thanks for the heads up.
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Old March 21st, 2011, 11:36 PM   #7
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B2C, do you think this news I posted in the Jaipur Projects Thread has got to do anything with this? Could you please check: This
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Major investment is needed in upgrading & modernising stations, rolling stock, services, locomotives, safety & infrastructure before bullet style trains are introduced.

Just like how the Airports in the country have been upgraded is the samething the Railways need.
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Old March 22nd, 2011, 12:51 AM   #9
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but dont u guys think that this high speed rail wont attract the masses bcuz one ticket would be atleast 2000 rupees
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Old March 22nd, 2011, 04:11 AM   #10
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^ 1. In a country like India that is vast and large there will be demand for high speed rail. I think right now you pay a similar amount for express trains like Shatabdi and Rajdhani (correct me if I am mistaken). Therefore I don't think one needs to worry about demand. The main point is that this would be a huge investment for the economy and GDP. It will create jobs and is a future oriented outlook.
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if ever implemented the fares wont be around 2000 bucks. it would have a similar fare structure as that of the flights. I read this here on SSC itself in some news item
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The Indian Ministry of Railways' white-paper Vision 2020 submitted to Indian Parliament by Railway Minister Mamata Banerjee on December 18 2009 envisages the implementation of regional high-speed rail projects to provide services at 250-350 km/h, and planning for corridors connecting commercial, tourist and pilgrimage hubs. Six corridors have already been identified for technical studies on setting up of high-speed rail corridors:

1. Delhi-Chandigarh-Amritsar.
2. Pune-Mumbai-Ahmedabad.
3. Hyderabad-Dornakal-Vijayawada-Chennai
4. Howrah-Haldia
5. Chennai-Bangalore-Coimbatore-Ernakulam
6. Delhi-Agra-Lucknow-Varanasi-Patna.

These high-speed rail corridors will be built as elevated corridors in keeping with the pattern of habitation and the constraint of land.

Estimated cost

In a feasibility study published in 1987, RDSO and JICA estimated the construction cost to be Rs 49 million per km, for a line dedicated to 250-300 km/h trains. In 2010, that 1987-estimated cost, inflated at 10% a year, would be Rs 439 million per km (US$ 9.5 million/km). RITES is currently performing a feasibility study.

According to news media, the costs for constructing such rail lines in India are estimated to be Rs 700-1000 million per km (US$ 15-22 million/km). Therefore the Mumbai-Ahmedabad route of 500 km, will cost Rs 370 billion (US$ 8.04 billion) to build and to make a profit, passengers will have to be charged Rs 5 per km (US$ 0.11/km). Delhi to Amritsar one-way, a distance of 450 km, will cost about Rs 2000 (US$ 43.48).

Whoever drew the map couldn't tell his Jodhpur from his Udaipur.
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And also Jabalpur is exchanged with Nagpur
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Old March 22nd, 2011, 06:11 AM   #14
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Source : rediff 21/03/2011
Trains @ 350 kmph! 6 high-speed routes identified
Aiming at connecting Patna with high speed train, the Railways will undertake a pre-feasibility study of Delhi-Patna rail route, which would be conducted by a British firm.
"Mott Macdonald, the United Kingdom firm, has been given the responsibility of conducting the pre-feasibility study of the 993-km-long Delhi-Patna route," a senior railway ministry official said.
It would cost the Railways Rs 8.8 crore (Rs 88 million) for preparing the report, which would focus on technicalities, financial and operational viability of the project on Delhi-Agra-Lucknow-Varanasi-Patna route, he said.
The firm has to submit the report within seven months.
"The report would suggest the cost, ridership, alignment, commercial exploitation of land along the route and possible business plan of the Delhi-Patna high-speed rail corridor," the official said.
While it takes about more than 12 hours to travel to Patna by Rajdhani, the high speed train is expected to complete the journey in less than five hours.
The Railways so far has identified six routes as possible high-speed corridors for running trains at the speed of 250 to 350 km per hour.
While the study for Pune-Mumbai-Ahmedabad route is complete, the next routes to be taken up for similar study are Howrah-Haldia and Delhi-Chandigarh-Amritsar sectors.
Later on study for the remaining routes -- Hyderabad-Dornakal-Vijaywada-Chennai and Chennai-Bengaluru-Coimbatore-Ernakulum would be taken up for the proposed high speed train corridor.
In order to expedite the work, the Railways is setting up an independent authority -- National High Speed Rail Authority -- to plan and execute the bullet train project.
Currently it cost about Rs 6 crore (Rs 60 million) for construction of one km rail route, while it is estimated to cost Rs 70 crore (Rs 700 million) for construction of one km high speed rail corridor.
Since the high speed corridor is a costly proposition, it is being planned to implement it on PPP model with the participation of state governments, the official said.
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If it were Haldia to Howrah, we would have seen the first highspeed rail in progress by now.
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Old March 22nd, 2011, 10:36 AM   #16
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India can opt to improve or upgrade the existing lines in order to run 200 km/h trains.

In China, the Guangshen (Guangzhou-Shenzhen line) was upgraded for 160 km/h operation in 1990's and 200 km/h few years later.
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B2C, do you think this news I posted in the Jaipur Projects Thread has got to do anything with this? Could you please check: This
Yes this is related to this .
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Old March 22nd, 2011, 06:22 PM   #18
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A news few days old

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City may get high speed train

TNN,
LUCKNOW: Good news is in store for commuters, as travel time between Lucknow and Varanasi may get reduced to 1.2 hours from the existing 7 hours. If sources are to be believed, high speed trains between Lucknow and Varanasi would be moving at a minimum speed of 250 kilometre per hour in future.

The route; Delhi-Agra-Lucknow-Varanasi-Patna has been identified as one of the six routes for pre-feasibility study for constructing high speed rail corridor.

The fastest train in the country at present is Bhopal Shatabdi at 160 kmph. The high speed trains running at a minimum speed of 250 kmph will redefine train travel. "It will be a different set-up altogether with new tracks, coaches and operational technology," said sources in the railway board.

Railways has identified six corridors for conducting pre-feasibility study for running high-speed trains. They are Pune-Mumbai-Ahmedabad (650 kms), Hyderabad-Darnakal-Vijaywada-Chennai (644 kms), Howrah-Haldia (135 kms), Chennai-Bangalore-Coimbatore-Ernakulam (649 km), Delhi-Chandigarh-Amritsar (450 kms) and Delhi-Agra-Lucknow-Varanasi-Patna (991 kms).

These will be elevated corridors and the trains running on them will be different from the regular rakes. "These tracks will be different with no obstructions like unmanned level crossings," said sources. The tracks will be barricaded on both sides to keep any external disturbance out. These trains might run on magnetic track.

Sources also said that Railways plans to set up at least eight high speed corridors. To begin with, six have been identified. The pre-feasibility study for Pune-Mumbai-Ahmedabad has been done. A similar study has been taken up for Delhi-Chandigarh-Amritsar route. The private organisations and PSUs are also involved with the study.

"It is a long-term project. As of now, there is no time-frame to it. Once the pre-feasibility study is done, Railways will take stock of investments and other infrastructural requirements. The corridors will be built through Public Private Partnership (PPP)," officials said.

Railways has more than 10,000 trains and over 2 crore passengers move almost daily. The growth in number of passengers is increasing pressure on existing train services. The high speed trains will provide additional services. Besides, they might pose a challenge to air services for being fast. "Although it is still remains to be seen which section of passengers will use them as these might be slightly costlier services," said sources.

The bidding process has started for pre-feasibility study to be taken up on Delhi-Agra-Lucknow-Varanasi-Patna. On this route, some 200 kms might fall under Bihar and remaining under UP and Delhi. Railways will have to co-ordinate with state governments for setting up these corridors. Besides, there might be a technological input from foreign countries, which have faster trains running.
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I agree with TWK90.China followed a segmented implementation of high speed rail.They had this program to increase train speeds all over the network and first ventured into 200kmph trains on selected routes.

I think 200kmph can be implemented on just laying normal high speed lines without the use of elevated portions,which greatly increases the cost per km.

Again if India is willing to shell out the money we can have 300kmph trains today itself and in places like mumbai-ahmedabad at Rs 2000 it could be much in demand.
But i believe it would be biting more than one can chew.8 billion dolllars is close to 35,000 crore and to spend that one a single line will cause a lot of opposition.
Who will come up with the money?Certainly not the railway industry because it is cash strapped.

Not that everything is all hunky dory with the Chinese.There high speed lines are running at losses,but the government hardly cares and is pumping in more money.
Also Chinese use the construction of infrastructure like high speed rail as a means of propping up the economy so as to negate the effects of low domestic consumption.
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I agree with TWK90.China followed a segmented implementation of high speed rail.They had this program to increase train speeds all over the network and first ventured into 200kmph trains on selected routes.

I think 200kmph can be implemented on just laying normal high speed lines without the use of elevated portions,which greatly increases the cost per km.

Again if India is willing to shell out the money we can have 300kmph trains today itself and in places like mumbai-ahmedabad at Rs 2000 it could be much in demand.
But i believe it would be biting more than one can chew.8 billion dolllars is close to 35,000 crore and to spend that one a single line will cause a lot of opposition.
Who will come up with the money?Certainly not the railway industry because it is cash strapped.

Not that everything is all hunky dory with the Chinese.There high speed lines are running at losses,but the government hardly cares and is pumping in more money.
Also Chinese use the construction of infrastructure like high speed rail as a means of propping up the economy so as to negate the effects of low domestic consumption.
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