...continued from the old thread.
Here's a link to the old thread:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=426933
Here's a link to the old thread:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=426933
The charles and Bellona one ios one of the few roundabouts that i think works. Surprising to see it go.Before any roundabouts become reality, I really hope the traffic engineers do their homework. I love a good roundabout, especially an Italian or Parisian traffic circle with a piazza or monument in the center, but when implementing roundabouts to cure traffic woes, Baltimore has been less than successful. I believe the roundabout at Charles and Bellona in Baltimore County is about to be done away with, and the roundabout in Towson is about to undergo a major facelift.
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Have become addicted to roundabouts since commencing a temporary exile in New England. It's so bad, I'll go out of my way to hit the Towson roundabout when I'm back in town.I always hated driving roundabouts when visiting New England and was not too happy when they showed up here.
True. Although, there's been some commenting on behalf of a 15-16K seat arena in the arena thread.This was a spot-on commentary. I found myself nodding my head through the whole thing. I also found myself wondering if it was written by one of our forumers. It mirrored our thoughts almost perfectly.
I find this headline redundant. The name "HarborView" implies an upset Federal Hill neighborhood association.HarborView proposal upsets neighbors
You're right. I guess I should say that it mirrored some of the ideas thrown out almost perfectly. Either way, I thought it was a well-written article. Whether this author's ideas are adopted or not, I hope city officials are taking into consideration many of the same things that this author did.True. Although, there's been some commenting on behalf of a 15-16K seat arena in the arena thread.
Two-three years w/o Faidley's would be painful. ;-)I've been thinking about this new arena and as crazy as this sounds, I think one option would be to demolish Lexington Market and put the new arena there. The market we have now was built in the 1950's so it is not historic.
nope, their reasoning isn't strong at all. it's no different from someone buying a condo in the CBD with a view of the harbor only to have it snatched away from them because another developer comes along and builds a tower right in front of the condo which then blocks that harbor view they cherish so much. that kind of thing happens when you live down the harbor or in the CBD. that's a chance you take.I find this headline redundant. The name "HarborView" implies an upset Federal Hill neighborhood association.
In all seriousness, I'm not sure who I hope comes out on top with this one. HarborView has played some dirty tricks in the past, and I certainly don't think they should be rewarded for it, but I almost don't blame them given the militant attitude of the Federal Hill nimbys. I just don't think the Federal Hill residents' reasoning is very strong, and I don't think poor logic should some out on top simply because it has a large and dedicated following.
It's a cool idea ... am still interested in the tale of the (measuring) tape w/r/t to the footprint, though. Last summer, was on a committee to build athletic fields in town. We walked and eyeballed a site we thought could easily hold a couple baseball fields and a couple soccer fields, and then some. When we got the engineer's report back, we were stunned: one baseball field, one soccer. Period.Plenty of room IMHO.
interesting. i never considered lexington market. hmmmm, it just might work.....^^ Don't forget, the market is on both sides of Paca Street. There is an East and a West market building. With the market on the 1st floor of the East side, the arena could take up both blocks. That would be a huge footprint. Admin. offices/retail could be on the 1st floor of the West side. Since the arena will be above street grade, it would span the street. Plenty of room IMHO. :cheers:
ditto to that...it almost reads like one of my posts!!^^Great article about the arena. I also wonder if it was written by somebody who has read these very message boards.
I did some research on current NBA and NHL arenas. Maybe this will help:Seriously, does anyone know what the minimum footprint for a 19K-20K seat arena is? The Lex Market site, even with the parking lot to the south included, doesn't seem large enough, though the idea is intriguing and the reasoning re: location sound.
Putting the arena above Lexington Market is an intersting idea and a good academic discussion, but it ain't going to happen (Wada Guy please don't take offense). There is a site that I haven't heard mentioned recently. That is the area between the two stadiums, which I believe was the location under serious consideration several years ago. There is plenty of space and its a logical fit with sufficient access being in proximity to Light Rail and I95. I think the state ownes the property so their should be any problem acquiring it.^^ Don't forget, the market is on both sides of Paca Street. There is an East and a West market building. With the market on the 1st floor of the East side, the arena could take up both blocks. That would be a huge footprint. Admin. offices/retail could be on the 1st floor of the West side. Since the arena will be above street grade, it would span the street. Plenty of room IMHO. :cheers:
Why would I be offended? I'd go for the site between the two stadiums. Anyplace downtown is fine with me. I just think that the closer it is to the urban fabric of the city, the more spin off development we will get.Putting the arena above Lexington Market is an intersting idea and a good academic discussion, but it ain't going to happen (Wada Guy please don't take offense).