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Old October 8th, 2009, 08:21 PM   #1
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Liberty Hall to be demolished

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FRANK MCDONALD, Environment Editor

Thu, Oct 08, 2009


Liberty Hall is to be replaced by a significantly taller building with a “sky pod” on top similar to the Gravity Bar at the Guinness Storehouse, to give visitors panoramic views over the city and Dublin Bay.

Siptu unveiled details of the proposed development today at an annual conference marking the trade union’s centenary, pledging that the new Liberty Hall would have a “wow factor” second to none in the capital.

Designed by Gilroy McMahon Architects, who were also responsible for Croke Park, the facilities would include a 300-seat theatre at lower ground level, a heritage centre illustrating Siptu’s history and 15 floors of open-plan office space.

The existing 17-storey building, which is 60 metres (198 feet) tall, would be replaced by a 20-storey tower rising to a height of 84 metres (277 feet), with a glass-fronted “sky lift” to take visitors to an enclosed observation terrace at the top.

Unlike the present tower, which has square floorplates, the new one would be trapezoid in shape — although the architects have sought to ensure that the relative proportions of its height and bulk would yield a satisfactory “slenderness ratio”.

After carrying out shadow studies to measure the impact of the proposed tower on nearby buildings as well as extensive consultations with Dublin City Council’s planners, they even shaved two metres off every floor to produce a better result.

The “sky dome”, composed of two interlocking semi-circles, would have three levels, incorporating the observation terrace and Siptu heritage centre, space for temporary exhibitions and an outdoor café enclosed by a five-metre glazed screen.

Des McMahon, of Gilroy McMahon Architects, said it was likely to attract 250,000 visitors annually, generating good revenue for Siptu. From the terrace, it would be possible to look down on the GPO in O’Connell Street and other historic buildings.

Another important element of the new Liberty Hall’s “engagement with the public” would be its generous double-height entrance area, stretching the full width of the building, including a podium adjoining the tower not unlike the present one.

The three-storey podium, set back from Eden Quay, would be “a place of welcome”, with a café, information desk, reception area and a large cut-out in the floor through which a curving staircase would lead down to the new theatre, all lit up at night.

Ground-floor level would be raised by almost a metre, to protect the building against future floods, with more space created outside on the constricted footpath at the corner of Beresford Place by cantilevering the tower over the lower three floors.

Access to the office floors would be via four lifts at the northeastern end of the tower, protected by turnstiles, and there is also provision for two staircases. The public “skylift” would be located on the western side, with views over the Liffey Quays.

One of the principal objectives, Mr McMahon said, is to create “an appropriate, energising and inspiring” workplace for Siptu’s staff, allowing them to interact in a way they cannot do with the present arrangement of “isolated” cellular offices.

These offices are laid out around a service core that takes up 40 per cent of the floorplate on every level, compared to 30 per cent for the much larger service core now proposed. “It’s totally impossible ... really a white elephant”, Mr McMahon said.

“The Eiffel Tower is as valuable today as was 100 years ago, but Liberty Hall is not. It was a building of its day — not unique, except for its location and timing [it was completed in 1965] - and a carbon disaster in terms of its use of energy.”

Dave Richards, who was pivotally involved in designing the new building, said it would be the first office block in Dublin to achieve an A3 energy rating, with less than half the carbon dioxide output of newly-constructed air-conditioned offices.

As a result of relying on partly-assisted natural ventilation as well as low-watt lighting, solar panels and a building energy management system, Siptu would be able to reduce its annual energy bill from €450,000 to just €220,000 a year.

Mr McMahon said he was convinced that the new Liberty Hall, which would be much broader on Eden Quay yet appear quite similar when viewed from O’Connell Bridge, would quickly become a “transparent and translucent” Dublin landmark.

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Thursday, 8 October 2009 18:06



SIPTU has unveiled plans to demolish Liberty Hall and build a 20-storey building on the site, the top three stories of which will comprise of a heritage centre and sky deck open to the public.

Plans for the union's new headquarters were revealed to delegates at the SIPTU conference in Tralee this afternoon.

The proposed building would have three storeys more than Liberty Hall and would be 24m higher.

It would comprise 15 storeys of office space with a new conference centre and theatre at the base.

The architects say the new structure would be the first commercial building of its kind in Ireland to achieve an A3 energy rating.

The union is not divulging how much the project will cost prior to the tendering process.

General Secretary of SIPTU Joe O'Flynn said the union would be seeking planning permission in the coming weeks and if successful, work could begin in mid 2011.

Three years ago SIPTU announced plans to demolish Liberty Hall which it said was in need of serious renovation.

Story from RTÉ News:
http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/1008/libertyhall.html
I actually kinda like Liberty Hall, especially recently... it looks brilliant lit up for the theatre festival.

Hopefully the replacement will do the city proud.

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And here it is!


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Old October 8th, 2009, 08:39 PM   #2
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That still looks crap.
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Old October 9th, 2009, 12:41 AM   #3
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Ahhm, have to agree, not that great at all.
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Old October 9th, 2009, 02:03 AM   #4
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It looks exactly like liberty hall... but with a round bit on top. To be honest, does Dublin need a taller building there anyway? I like the almost unifiorm heights of the buildings in the city centre, with all the larger developments being down towards the docks.
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Old October 9th, 2009, 02:08 AM   #5
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Looks slightly better from the other side, I dont understand why they tacked the lift shaft on the outside.

pic on rte page/report http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/1008/libertyhall.html
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Old October 9th, 2009, 04:41 PM   #6
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i'll ask you guys

is there real world built example of this type of building it looks like the point village tower

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Old October 9th, 2009, 06:08 PM   #7
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i#;ll ask you guys

is there real world built example of this type of building it looks like the point village tower
you're no fool, are you?
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Old October 12th, 2009, 11:34 AM   #8
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What a shame to tear down such a landmark.
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Old December 2nd, 2009, 08:21 PM   #9
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Latest news on the project:

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'Sky pod' Liberty Hall plan delayed
By Cormac Murphy
Monday November 30 2009


PLANS to replace Liberty Hall with a 20-storey building are due to be lodged with Dublin City Council within weeks.

It is understood the designs are being finalised and could be submitted to the local authority as early as December 10.

The ambitious blueprint, which makes provision for a 'sky pod' offering panoramic views of Dublin Bay, was unveiled by Siptu in early October.

However, the planning application is still not ready.

Siptu unveiled details of the proposed development of its headquarters at an annual conference marking the trade union's centenary.

It has promised that the new Liberty Hall would have a "wow factor" second to none in the capital.

Designed by Gilroy McMahon Architects, who were also responsible for Croke Park, the facilities would include a 300-seat theatre at lower-ground level.

If the project is approved, it will also have a heritage centre, illustrating Siptu's history and 15 floors of open-plan office space.

The proposed building would have three storeys more than Liberty Hall and would be 24m higher.

General Secretary of Siptu Joe O'Flynn said work on the development could begin in mid-2011 if planning approval is secured.

A glass-fronted 'sky lift' would take visitors to an enclosed observation terrace, or 'sky pod', at the top, according to the outline plans.

Des McMahon, of Gilroy McMahon Architects, said the 'sky pod' was likely to attract 250,000 visitors annually, generating good revenue for Siptu.

From the terrace, it would be possible to look down on the GPO in O'Connell Street and other historical buildings.

Mr McMahon said one of the principal objectives was to create "an appropriate, energising and inspiring" workplace for Siptu's staff.

Mr O'Flynn said he hoped the replacement building for Liberty Hall will become as familiar a part of the Dublin skyline as the existing building.

"Siptu is conscious of the union's place in the community ... this venture will preserve the union's long association with the current historical site," he said.

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Old December 3rd, 2009, 12:18 PM   #10
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Much more urgent is the need to demolish SIPTU.

An architectural carabuncle on the tentacles of sanity.
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 09:28 PM   #11
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I like the new plan : not too big for the surrounding low rise area.
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Old December 4th, 2009, 02:46 PM   #12
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Much more urgent is the need to demolish SIPTU.
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Old January 21st, 2010, 06:00 PM   #13
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Some minor news on the project:

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No cars for union bosses at new-look Liberty Hall
By Cormac Murphy
Thursday January 21 2010


TOP SIPTU officials such as Jack O'Connor will have to take public transport to work after the redevelopment of Liberty Hall.

The landmark building, Ireland's first skyscraper, is to be knocked down and replaced with a 20-storey tower.

However, a car park is not included in the plans for the new structure, which is expected to take three years to complete.

Liberty Hall currently has 18 parking space, which are used by union staff, including senior executives.

While the plans for the new building were unveiled last year, an application has yet to be lodged with the council.

City councillors were given a presentation on the designs by SIPTU general secretary Joe O'Flynn this week.

Independent councillor Marie Metcalfe said everyone was "very impressed" with the proposals.

She said councillors were told the demolition works are not expected to affect traffic flow along the north quays and across Butt Bridge.

"I was very impressed [with the plans], I have to say. Everybody was impressed -- no big issues were raised," Cllr Metcalfe added.

The planning application is not expected to be lodged for weeks.

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Old February 19th, 2011, 02:18 AM   #14
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After a year of no news...

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Updated: 16:50, Friday, 18 February 2011




SIPTU has withdrawn its planning application for the redevelopment of Liberty Hall.

In a statement, the union said that it would be reapplying for planning permission within three months.

'We have decided to withdraw the current planning application due to detailed design issues,' said SIPTU General Secretary Joe O'Flynn.

'While the union, its professional advisors and Dublin City Council officials have worked hard to resolve these outstanding issues, time simply ran out on us.

'After detailed consideration, SIPTU has withdrawn the application to allow more time to resolve these matters and we intend to re-apply for planning permission within three months.'

Mr O'Flynn said that SIPTU remained fully committed to proceeding with the redevelopment and said the current building was no longer fit for purpose.

Story from RTÉ News:
http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0218/liberty.html
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Old February 20th, 2011, 11:01 PM   #15
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why in the name of god are they demolishing it and only putting 3 extra stories onto it? Limerick has a better skyline than dublin..and thats not saying much!
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why in the name of god are they demolishing it and only putting 3 extra stories onto it? Limerick has a better skyline than dublin..and thats not saying much!
There's more to it than that. The new building should have a smaller core and much more floor space. If you've been in the current one, it's pretty shocking just how little floor space there is :o
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Old February 24th, 2011, 03:16 PM   #17
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Dublin needs a big skyline.
We should have at least an economic hub up by
the docks with tall buildings and headquarters for
new investers coming in to the country if they ever do
come in.
This country and city is crumbling day by day and its a shame.
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Old December 24th, 2011, 01:11 PM   #18
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Thought this project was dead.

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Plans for taller Liberty Hall

FRANK McDONALD, Environment Editor

Sat, Dec 24, 2011


Plans for the building that would replace Liberty Hall, by Gilroy McMahon Architects, if it got planning permission.

IN REVISED plans for Liberty Hall that Siptu has submitted to Dublin City Council, the building would be replaced by a slightly taller and more slender tower than

the one which featured in a scheme withdrawn last February.

Following what the union described as “extensive consultations”, the latest plan has the building rising to a height of 22 storeys – two floors taller than first envisaged, with 17 storeys for offices and meeting rooms and five for “public and cultural purposes”.

The latter would include a double-height entrance foyer, a theatre and conference centre and a four-storey heritage centre at the top of the tower, focusing on the history of Ireland’s labour movement with a “sky deck” offering panoramic views.

Siptu general secretary Joe O’Flynn said the decision to proceed with development was based on its view that the existing building, dating from 1965, was “dysfunctional” and “unable to meet the operational needs of the union in the 21st century”.

The union also wanted to “substantially improve the environmental performance of Liberty Hall”, both to reduce running costs and cut its carbon footprint, he said, adding that the revised scheme “will strengthen the landmark status of this site.”

Mr O’Flynn also emphasised that the proposed redevelopment process, if approved by the planning authority, “will be largely self-financing and won’t involve any major cost impositions on the union’s members”. Its construction would create up to 200 jobs.

Des McMahon of Gilroy McMahon Architects said the new design was for “a building of great visual lightness and elegance as well as a building that is wholeheartedly sustainable”.

He said the scheme had “evolved quite a bit” since the earlier version and he was happy that the right balance had been struck in terms of the “slenderness ratio” (the crucial relationship between height and bulk) of the tower that is now proposed to replace Liberty Hall.

The previous scheme, unveiled in February 2010, envisaged a somewhat bulkier tower with a circular “sky deck” on top. It would have been nearly 50 per cent taller than the existing building, which rises to 60 metres.

However, there is a significant movement in favour of preserving Liberty Hall on the basis that it constitutes a “heritage structure of national importance” that has “embedded itself in the collective consciousness of the city, even the nation”.

In a submission to the city council, Docomomo Ireland, a branch of the organisation that seeks to protect icons of the modern movement in architecture, wrote: “If Liberty Hall, Ireland’s first ‘skyscraper’ and its theatre, the physical manifestation of labour’s enduring commitment to ‘bread and roses’, does not constitute a building of cultural interest, then none does.”

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Updated: 22:05, Friday, 23 December 2011


The plans envision a 22-storey building on the site of Liberty Hall in Dublin.

SIPTU has submitted a new planning application to Dublin City Council to replace its headquarters at Liberty Hall with a 22-storey building - which is slimmer but one storey higher than its previous plans for the site.

The union had announced plans to demolish the 17-storey building and rebuild on the site in 2006 as it said the offices were in need of upgrading.

It also pointed out at the time that 40% of Liberty Hall is taken up by lifts, stairways and toilets.

Last year, the union applied to Dublin city council for a new 21-storey building, 24 metres higher than Liberty Hall.

A heritage centre and public sky-deck on the top stories, accessible by a glass fronted sky lift, were part of the planned building.

A conference centre and theatre were also planned with 15 storeys of offices.

However in February, the union withdrew the planning application to allow more time to resolve design issues.

Following consultation, it has submitted a new planning application.

All of key facilities are still in place, however the big difference between the plans is that the main building is slimmer but one storey taller.

Many objections to the first application from organisations such as an Taisce, had centred on the height of the planned building.

Tony Walsh, Head of Infrastructures at SIPTU said the extra floor was only an attempt to get back the floor space they had lost by slimming down the building's size.

He added that it would fit comfortably into its surroundings.

It is believed that the planning process could take up to a year and, if successful, the redevelopment could take another two and a half years.

SIPTU says it is not disclosing the cost of the project ahead of a tendering process.

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http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/1223/libertyhall.html
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Dear An Tasice - Please **** off. That is all.
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Old December 24th, 2011, 04:19 PM   #20
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Strange, I thought this one had gone the way of U2 tower. I don't know what to think of the design and location. It's not in the docklands, but it's not really a huge building either and I don't think it would look terribly out of place. I'd like to see a few more renders of it, though, before I make up my mind on it.
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