CROATIAN MOTORWAYS I
CROATIAN MOTORWAYS II
Everyone is welcomed to contribute on this thread! Enjoy! :cheers:
As I said it before, I think that this is in their interest, to pick up all the transfer traffic. Nobody cares about pollution, everybody cares about collecting toll and gas money.nikolas said:So, now all the traffic towards Turkey, Romania, Bulgaria and Greece goes through Slovenia, Ljubljana and then to Zagreb.
Don't you think that it can become TOO MUCH traffic (environment pollution), if ALL of them continue to go through Ljubljana?
When the Razdrto (perheps as you say it is the right place for the interchange) - Jelsane is built, and further the motorway to Dubrovnik, Trebinje, Montenegro, Albania and Greece a certain number of these trucks will take the adriatic-ionian road.
So, I think that this motorway is a necessity in the next 5-10 years.
In South Tyrol and in Austria they don't think that way. They are going to build a 6o km railway tunnel under the Brenner pass to avoid pollution.snupix said:As I said it before, I think that this is in their interest, to pick up all the transfer traffic. Nobody cares about pollution, everybody cares about collecting toll and gas money.
NO! :laugh:nikolas said:Don't you think that it can become TOO MUCH traffic (environment pollution), if ALL of them continue to go through Ljubljana?
They have inversion problems in most parts of Alpine Europe, in coastal Croatia with the 'bura' not as much of an issue.nikolas said:In South Tyrol and in Austria they don't think that way. They are going to build a 6o km railway tunnel under the Brenner pass to avoid pollution.
In South Tyrol the president of the region is going to bann euro 0 and euro 1 (pollution class) trucks in November from the motorway...
:cheers:OettingerCroat said:I say this now:
PLEASE STICK TO CROATIAN MOTORWAYS.
CROATIAN MOTORWAYS DO NOT GO THROUGH PLACES LIKE MONTENEGRO, ALBANIA, SERBIA, SLOVENIA, GREECE, NIGERIA, CANADA, KAZAKHSTAN, OR NEW ZEALAND.
Therefore, please refrain from posting pictures of construction projects or posting news of project proposals from those countries.
HOWEVER, if there is a dilemma and somebody asks, for example, "When is Slovenia going to finish its motorways towards Croatia?", something like a map that Edolen posted on the previous thread and/or a picture proving construction is taking place IS ACCEPTABLE.
But DO NOT come to this thread and ARBITRARILY start posting maps or routes or pictures of motorways from OTHER countries.
This thread is for CROATIAN motorways.
We are talking exactly about that...bubach_hlubach said:Originally Posted by OettingerCroat
HOWEVER, if there is a dilemma and somebody asks, for example, "When is Slovenia going to finish its motorways towards Croatia?", something like a map that Edolen posted on the previous thread and/or a picture proving construction is taking place IS ACCEPTABLE.
But DO NOT come to this thread and ARBITRARILY start posting maps or routes or pictures of motorways from OTHER countries.
Lep pozdrav vsem na forumu!!When I drive from Venice towards Triest, I see that the traffic is increasing all the time in the past years. The motorway from Venice (2-lane, probably it will be upgraded to 3-lane soon) is full of turkish, polish, hungarian, czech, slovakian, romanian, slovenian, croatian, bulgarian, ukranian, greek and other trucks. When I reach the junction with the motorway to Udine - Tarvisio - Austria, the number of trucks is halved. There are no more czech, polish, slovakian, ukrainian and hungarian trucks, because they don't go through Slovenia. When I reach Villesse, many turkish, romanian, slovenian, croatian, bulgarian, albanian and greek trucks are taking the highway to Gorizia. Thus, the number of the trucks, which remain on the road after Villesse is perheps 20% of those which come from Milan, Bologna, Venezia. Most of these go to Fernetti. After Fernetti there are only croatian trucks on the road to Rijeka. So, now all the traffic towards Turkey, Romania, Bulgaria and Greece goes through Slovenia, Ljubljana and then to Zagreb.
Don't you think that it can become TOO MUCH traffic (environment pollution), if ALL of them continue to go through Ljubljana?
I think all Turks must go through Serbia. Romanians and Bulgarians, too. So , I don't understand what kind of customs control they can avoid passing through Hungary. Only the Croatian one!zelenec1 said:Lep pozdrav vsem na forumu!!
Nikolas, večina tovornjakov iz Turčije, Romunije, Bolgarije ne potuje proti Zagrebu, ampak proti Mariboru in na mejni prehod Dolga vas (SLO/H meja). To je tudi razlog, zakaj je potrebna hitra cesta od MB do madžarske meje...
Razlog je v izogibanju mejnim kontrolam in carinskim pregledom. Zato tudi ni pričakovati, da bo Jadransko/Jonska avtocesta v naslednjih letih strateško pomembna. Najprej se morajo ukiniti formalnosti na meji, potem pa se lahko pogovarjamo o hitrih povezavah, ki bodo zanimive za tovornjake.
The traffic amounts in that document are from 2002. The MB - Hungarian border corridor got flooded by trucks when Slovenia entered the EU in 2004. Because of the astronomical increase in traffic numbers the government radically stepped up construction and planning speed so now the A5 motorway to Hungary will be finished by 2008 instead of 2012.nikolas said:I think all Turks must go through Serbia. Romanians and Bulgarians, too. So , I don't understand what kind of customs control they can avoid passing through Hungary. Only the Croatian one!
Radenci-Beltinici towards Hungarian border has only 11000 VPD. So, where are all these trucks?
If that were so as you state it, these trucks would take the italian motorway to Udine (I) - Tarvisio (I) and then further to Villach (A) - Klagenfurt (A) - Graz (A) - Hungary, without going through Slovenia.
I can't believe the Turks go to Hungary:nuts:
It's incredible! Trojane is a single tube tunnel, isn't it? So you have an average number of 15 vehicles that cross the tunnel each minute. It means 8 in each direction every minute, every hour, every day... Every 7 seconds one vehicle! Sometimes it is one vehicle every 30 seconds, sometimes one every 2-3 seconds. It is dangerous in a single tube tunnel!zelenec1 said:Pa še ena primerjava: skozi Predor Karavanke je od otvoritve prevozilo 25 mio vozil, skozi predor Trojane (otvoritev junija 2005) pa v enem letu 8 mio vozil.
I believe, Slovenia is doing what is in its best interest. That is logical and acceptable.edolen1 said:The amount of traffic going through Gruškovje/Macelj or Jelšane/Rupa can't compare to it. However, before Slovenia entered the EU, the amount of traffic was quite similar to the one going through Gruškovje or Jelšane, and the projected completion date was in 2012. See, so Slovenia wasn't conspiring against Croatia after all!