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Queensland Place | Chatham Place | 399 Student Flats | 3-6 Storeys

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#1 · (Edited)
This thread is for a site on Chatham Place in Edge Hill. The site was last used in the mid-1990's, by the Nugent High School. When that school closed, the derelict buildings remained for a while, until they were demolished, leaving the site to become overgrown and untouched for most of the past 20 years.

During the boom years, an apartment development was approved for the site, however that never came to pass. Last year, a student flats development was approved by the council -

From the Planning Explorer -
Application Number - 14F/1557
Site Address - Land at Chatham Place/Overbury Street/Queensland Street Liverpool L7 3HD
Proposal - To erect 3/4/5 storey block of student accommodation comprising 63 cluster units and 8 studio apartments with a total of 352 student bedrooms, and layout associated parking and landscaping.
Applicant - System 3 Ltd
From here - http://northgate.liverpool.gov.uk/P...ins/Liverpool_WIP/Menus/PL.xml&DAURI=PLANNING

Earlier this year, an amended application was submitted, requesting permission to add another storey, and increase the total number of units to 399 -
Application Number - 15F/0295
Site Address - Vacant Land bounded by Chatham Place Overbury Street, Queensland Street Liverpool L7 3HD
Proposal - To erect 3/4/5/6 storey block of student accommodation comprising 73 cluster units and 25 studio apartments with a total of 399 student rooms with associated parking and landscaping
Applicant - Queensland Place Ltd
From here - http://northgate.liverpool.gov.uk/P...ins/Liverpool_WIP/Menus/PL.xml&DAURI=PLANNING

This new application was approved by the Planning Committee on 23rd June 2015. With the original planning permission still active, the site became active shortly before this new grant of planning permission. Although under a different name, the site is being developed by the Elliot Group.

Renders, originally posted by woody -






Applicant: Queensland Place Ltd.............Architects: FCH
Details off Internet Explorer, for information purposes only.
There has been a glimmer of life recently, with the usually chained gate open, however it was only today that there has been any real progress, as the site has now been stripped back of 20 years worth of vegetation, with a Portakabin now also on-site -
https://flic.kr/p/uLBVzu

It should improve this view no end -
https://flic.kr/p/uM5zNV
 
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Not counting weekends, this is just seven days work -
https://flic.kr/p/A5DqXN

https://flic.kr/p/z9V1wB

https://flic.kr/p/A5D52Q

One day last week, for some reason they briefly cut a hole through the hoardings on the front elevation. Through that is was possible to see the foundations to the left of the current structure were not fully complete, with concrete pouring taking place earlier this week. Thus it's possible there might be a slight delay in seeing more steelwork as the concrete is allowed to cure for a time.
 
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Not that this was a particularly slow development to begin with, but this is really motoring now -

The newer section continues to advance along Chatham Place -
https://flic.kr/p/BPfBdr

Getting closer to two becoming one -
https://flic.kr/p/Bupm9y

Wooden wall panels have started to go in on the newer section -
https://flic.kr/p/AZ2gQW

Meanwhile over on the more advanced section, the stairs are now in...
https://flic.kr/p/Bo2dVK

...as are the first of the windows -
https://flic.kr/p/Bo2dLM

Finally on the more advanced block, the brickwork is underway on the rear elevation -
https://flic.kr/p/Bo2dEp
 
#48 ·
As someone with no real knowledge of building techniques, i just wanted to ask a question about those wooden panels. They seem so flimsy and so likely to retain moisture and be damaged by prolonged expose to the elements. And I imagine they offer a poor base for sound insulation.

So just a question really? Is this cheap, value engineering or a well-performing solution? And how does it get round my concerns above?

Cheers in advance.
 
#54 ·
Infill Wall Panels are very stable.........



To add to Peter Stoba`s detailed reply, I will add that the "off-site fabricated" wall infill panels are far from flimsy, they can be constructed with 90 x 40 timber studding faced with 15mm OSB, which although not designed for exterior use is water resistant thanks to its resin content as part of its manufacture.

At Queensland Place the panels do carry the window frames and will have a plastic membrane and a brick skin to give full protection from water ingress.
 
#49 ·
Regarding being filmsy, the steel frame provides the strength of the structure, the loads from the floors are carried on the steel beams and then down to the foundations as with any other building, the timber panels are basically just used to fill in the gaps. The internal walls being timber construction is no different to many modern houses.

Retained moisture is much more of a problem in timber compared to materials such as brick or concrete, for example, but this is resolved by applying some sort of barrier, usually a plastic membrane to cover the timber and keep out external moisture. Of course the timber is also concealed by some form of cladding as an additional layer of protection from the elements.

Sound insulation can be a problem, particularly for party walls and floors, but adding additional insulation materials inside of the voids does improve this, obviously at a cost.

It can work out much cheaper to construct a building in this way, compared to the more traditional bricks and mortar. Not just pure material costs, but in terms of time also, it is much more efficient. The actual material cost can be lower, although as I mentioned the additional insulation materials required do negate some of those savings. It's not actually a cheap solution, as I appreciate it can appear, it does provide a quality product at the end of it - providing it's done right (like anything, of course).
 
#50 ·
My best friend of about 12 years lives in one of the houses on Overbury Street, I go to his on average fortnightly, amazing how quickly this has gone up. Not before too long as well, been an eyesore for ages, used to have an eerie feel whenever I'd go by his house with that one side and the big spooky church the other.
 
#52 · (Edited)
Windows making quick progress on the Queensland Street elevation, as the brickwork just edges over the top of the hoardings -
https://flic.kr/p/BfFazd

From the end of Kinglake Street -
https://flic.kr/p/BDEVma

It looks to be a case of the two sections meeting at close quarters, rather than two becoming one, but good enough -
https://flic.kr/p/C3AGaU

The Overbury Street elevation -
https://flic.kr/p/BL4fWy

As studge notes above, it's quite imposing in its own way, and has certainly changed the feel of this area -
https://flic.kr/p/BfNaTK
 
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