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Old July 21st, 2017, 07:40 PM   #21
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I think a firm note to Andy Burnham is in order. He is the mayor after all. He must be good for something.

Im getting sick of the little I see every day. You mention the bins. Its shocking. We are supposed to be an international city and the first view people get from the station is over flowing bins and litter all over the ******* place!
Its a local council issue. I dont think bins are GM level responsibility, just the destination of all that collective crap, when its collected and sent to Wigan land fill sites.
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red costs too much.
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Old July 21st, 2017, 09:33 PM   #23
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Its a local council issue. I dont think bins are GM level responsibility, just the destination of all that collective crap, when its collected and sent to Wigan land fill sites.
It will give him something to do because he's done bugger all since he's been elected.
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Old July 21st, 2017, 10:24 PM   #24
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Question for the architects and engineers. See that Victorian red brick building to the left of the picture. Does it take so much for the designers of this and other buildings to think, oh thats a pretty colour, it looks nice, its looks familiar and there is something essentially Mancunian about that shade, so why dont we at least attempt to build our wonderful new thing a shade not too far from it Gosh it might look sympathetic and almost erm delightful?

Question. I am stumped.


You could not be more right about the red brick university city we live in...
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Old July 22nd, 2017, 12:05 AM   #25
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red costs too much.
I would be not surprised, but also astonished given its basically "Accrington" brickesque in shadings.

Sort of makes me think Johnny architect looks on the jobs they do based on a combination of-

a. Those fvckers (developers) are paying me peanuts so I will give them something cheap and nasty.

b. I WANT TO BE SEEN.!!!!LOOK AT ME!!! I AM DIFFERENT!!! Mummy help mummy!!!!

c. Its grown in a test tube, its knocked up on a Tuesday afternoon and you know if its shyte, who cares, and yeah them crazy Chinese rich boys will just love it as they havent a clue.
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Question for the architects and engineers. See that Victorian red brick building to the left of the picture. Does it take so much for the designers of this and other buildings to think, oh thats a pretty colour, it looks nice, its looks familiar and there is something essentially Mancunian about that shade, so why dont we at least attempt to build our wonderful new thing a shade not too far from it Gosh it might look sympathetic and almost erm delightful?

Question. I am stumped.
Architects nowadays are shite in comparison to what they used to be.

In Newcastle today for graduation (woop) and walking around the beautiful Grey St - which was all masterplanned and built by one architect (John Dobson) reminded me of how architecture most definitely peaked between 150 and 100 years ago.

Grey St, Newcastle:




Then we rounded the corner into another area of Newcastle which is also being planned and built all at the same time, Science Central - which is a pile of garbage, because most architects nowadays have no class or skill whatsoever and think shite like this is okay:

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Old July 22nd, 2017, 01:40 AM   #27
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Looks like Ancient Rome. All Neoclassical that style mate.

Move with the times. Stop living in the past.

Couple of reasons buildings like that aren't built now. Stone masonry skills are sparse and because of that its very expensive; the stone is also very expensive to source and not everyone likes that style.

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Architects nowadays are shite in comparison to what they used to be.
I'll remind you of that the next time you start drooling over Owen Street or another tower.
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Strip away the classical style and Grey Street is still good: it has enclosure, active frontages, and a clear focus which leads the eye. You could do that in brick vernacular and still get a good result--many English towns bear witness to this.
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Looks like Ancient Rome. All Neoclassical that style mate.

Move with the times. Stop living in the past.

Couple of reasons buildings like that aren't built now. Stone masonry skills are sparse and because of that its very expensive; the stone is also very expensive to source and not everyone likes that style.



I'll remind you of that the next time you start drooling over Owen Street or another tower.
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My favourite building on earth is the Town Hall, but the Civic Justice Centre runs it pretty close. Modern buildings can be just as majestic and imposing as old.
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The old designs weren't hampered by the mass of building regulations we have today. I doubt they could be built to pass all the green requirements without huge cost, what about disability access and grade A office specifications? Vertically impossible today in practical terms IMO.
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The old designs weren't hampered by the mass of building regulations we have today. I doubt they could be built to pass all the green requirements without huge cost, what about disability access and grade A office specifications? Vertically impossible today in practical terms IMO.
I'd say it wasn't just architecture that peaked about 150 and 100 years ago, but ambition too.
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It will give him something to do because he's done bugger all since he's been elected.
Bar having to deal with the aftermath of the Manchester's terror attack.
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Old July 24th, 2017, 01:08 PM   #33
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Question for the architects and engineers. See that Victorian red brick building to the left of the picture. Does it take so much for the designers of this and other buildings to think, oh thats a pretty colour, it looks nice, its looks familiar and there is something essentially Mancunian about that shade, so why dont we at least attempt to build our wonderful new thing a shade not too far from it Gosh it might look sympathetic and almost erm delightful?
The Red brick you mention is Swan building. I expect it will be demolished within the next decade along with all the other non listed antediluvian buildings in the area.

And I expect lousy and uninspired accommodation blocks similar to the one being discussed to take their places.

All the plots either side of Cable Street will be targeted for 'cheap' accommodation. Despite the crappy architecture they will actually deliver affordable housing in a well positioned area of the city.
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