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Old July 13th, 2017, 04:31 PM   #1
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20-36 High Street

CEG (Commercial Estates Group) are holding a public consultation for the site of 20-36 High Street, Manchester on Wednesday 26th July 2017 between 3pm and 8pm.

Key bullet points:

• Deliver inspiring and high quality architecture.

• Provide vibrant independent shops, cafes, bars and stalls on the ground floor with attractive seating areas in a ground floor atrium.

• Improve access through this atrium, providing activity and new connections through to Birchin Lane and into the Northern Quarter, whilst simultaneously repairing the historic urbain grain.

• Create a safe, family friendly environment where families can live and visit with a well lit and appealing ground floor public plaza.

• Create an attractive and characterful area by improving the local environment.

They describe the site as being "dilapidated, constrained and reaching the end of its economic life."

The current buildings would be "too difficult and unviable to adapt", meaning definite demolition.

Looking forward to seeing the plans. About time we saw this being redeveloped. This site has actually irritated me more than any other in central Manchester for its lack of redevelopment.







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Old July 13th, 2017, 04:51 PM   #2
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Thank god! One of the crappiest buildings in Manchester!!
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Old July 13th, 2017, 04:59 PM   #3
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Thank god! One of the crappiest buildings in Manchester!!
On the crappiest street in Manchester.

Really hope this provides a catalyst for the rest of the street. A really decent site to be fair - in the Northern Quarter, doorstep of Market St, near both main stations and Metrolink nearby. If only Manchester's shopping district wasn't such a shit'ole this would've been developed a long long time ago.

Potentially a tall building here? Probably the only NQ site where a tall building would be appropriate
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Old July 13th, 2017, 05:05 PM   #4
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Would be my number one site for a 300m tower as it seems to be just about the highest point in Manchester centre!

Fat chance though.

Very glad as I hate this section of town. Hope they clean up the Arndale on the corner of Market Street whilst they are at it.
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Old July 13th, 2017, 05:12 PM   #5
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If only Manchester's shopping district wasn't such a shit'ole this would've been developed a long long time ago.
Not necessarily a shithole; New Cathedral Street and Deansgate are quite nice, it's the other side with the lower-end stores (Debenhams, Primark, etc..) that lets the side down

Hopefully, this development will help lift up that area
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Old July 13th, 2017, 05:13 PM   #6
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Thought I recognised that building - Kirkstall Forge. I've been keeping tabs on that development over on the Leeds thread as I used to live in Kirkstall not so long back.

It's an impressive scheme. Glad CEG are covering this.
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Old July 13th, 2017, 05:27 PM   #7
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YES! I think we'll get something quite tall here, they seem to want quite a lot of different uses in one building and the site isn't huge so I assume they'll be going upwards in order to achieve that.
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Apologies in advance for the rant because I know there's demand but almost everything is residential at the minute, we've lost the office tower at St Michaels so is that a sign of a slowdown to come or is there just not the demand? I often wonder, once they fill these tens of thousands of city core homes that are either under construction or in development, where all these people are going to work?

Anyway, for here it's got to be tall. The main fear is that ambition will be stunted because of the tram lines, crappy car park, dog end of the Arndale and general all round hanging mess that is High Street right now. Hopefully not, it should be a prime location and perhaps the catalyst to getting this part of town up to scratch.
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Apologies in advance for the rant because I know there's demand but almost everything is residential at the minute, we've lost the office tower at St Michaels so is that a sign of a slowdown to come or is there just not the demand?
Isn't the low rise on the right in this image intended to be entirely Office bar the ground floor which is retail?

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I think so but it's 9 floors I believe as opposed to 105m of pure office tower. May be unnecessarily getting my kecks in a twist because I don't know whether or how much of a reduction in square footage there is, I think it's just the psychological statement a tall office tower makes for a city...
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Apologies in advance for the rant because I know there's demand but almost everything is residential at the minute, we've lost the office tower at St Michaels so is that a sign of a slowdown to come or is there just not the demand? I often wonder, once they fill these tens of thousands of city core homes that are either under construction or in development, where all these people are going to work?
scratch.
Theres a 9 storey office block proposed for St Michaels with 15,000 sq ft floor plates. Thats a 135,000 sq ft office block. Hardly a scale down.
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I thought I read that they were gaining office space at St Michael's through the design changes? The office in the old scheme may have been tall, but the floorplates were diddly – just one of the reasons why it never made sense to me.

I know this isn't going to be a well-received opinion by many, but I quite like the current building. It's uncared for and from an unpopular period in architectural history, but it's got a certain expressiveness to it. The fact it doesn't provide a huge amount of floorspace considering the size of the footprint probably meant it was always a likely candidate to be replaced at some point.

Looking forward to seeing the proposals – hope they're good!
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Yeah, it's actually a pretty good building, in shape form at least (not keen on the 70's shopping precinct cladding).
But this area is such a dire state that if something pretty special parks up I think the neighbours must up it's game. It's the Arndale (again) and its car park which is the major issue.
The link between the Arndale entrance on High Street to the NQ is one of the worse examples you'll ever see.
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Old July 13th, 2017, 06:53 PM   #14
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A tall or "super tall" would make a great statement here. It was only a few days ago that I wrote a piece on here about how dreadful this section of the city is, and how it needs a new lease of life.

What tall buildings do visitors to the city see in Manchester? What buildings do they see that really give off that major European city vibe? None. Owen St/Trinity/Greengate are all on the periphery. The tall buildings which get noticed by the majority of visitors (most people who visit do so to shop) are City Tower and Arndale House. They certainly make a statement. The wrong kind though. Makes Manchester look smalltime and stuck in the 70s.

EVERY visitor to the city (or at least 90%) would see this building if it was tall. Imagine a 200m whopper here. A tall, slender, gleaming glass tower. Mouth watering. A combination of retail, leisure, office, hotel and residential would be perfect. Such a statement build would surely spur Intu et al to sort out their abysmal side of High Street which has to be the worst one sided stretch of road in central Manchester.

Don't let us down CEG.

Unfortunately, I can't see anything taller than 60-70m here.

Then again, surely you could charge a fair amount more per square foot of residential space in a tower here than in say Owen Street or Trinity Islands? It's closer to the main stations, on the doorstep of the main retail district and the Northern Quarter too. Plus imagine the views from the 10th floor upwards on this. They'd be stunning.
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Old July 13th, 2017, 06:59 PM   #15
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I know exactly what you're thinking...

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I think so but it's 9 floors I believe as opposed to 105m of pure office tower. May be unnecessarily getting my kecks in a twist because I don't know whether or how much of a reduction in square footage there is, I think it's just the psychological statement a tall office tower makes for a city...
The company I work for conducted a CBR on the office element of the previous scheme and concluded it was no near where viable - which is, to be fair, what the late Lookin Up said about Manchester. Difficult to justify an office block in central Manchester over 20 storeys, for the next few years at least.

We have a large pipeline of office in Manchester, and a healthy amount about to start construction. I wouldn't worry too much about a slow down really
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I love this construction boom city.

You go to bed at 10am. Doing nights for 2 weeks. You get up at 5pm. And there's another proposal and public exhibition.

Hopefully there will be a draw for one lucky person to swing the first wrecking ball at this arse end of a boil that has blighted High Street and the NQ for decades.

Not bothered about height. Just want a nice proposal/building to fill this large plot, in a very prominent position.

On ceg's website.

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Old July 13th, 2017, 11:24 PM   #18
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City won't allow tall buildings in this area adjacent to northern quarter. Probably be mid height residential.
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Wise words jrb.
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Old July 14th, 2017, 12:08 AM   #20
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City won't allow tall buildings in this area adjacent to northern quarter. Probably be mid height residential.
Tallest it will be if it is a tower is Arndale Tower height.

I'm a bit dubious though cause all it mentions is ground floor retail, an atrium and public realm. Could be a missed opportunity.
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