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Old October 13th, 2011, 03:08 PM   #2541
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Hum... no connection with line 2.
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Old October 13th, 2011, 03:14 PM   #2542
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Great videos! Hopefully it will not be long before the MP 89 dominates Line 4. Though as Minato mentioned in an earlier post, there is likely to still be some MP 59s running on Line 4, even when the new Montrouge station opens in 2012.
You mean there are not enough MP89CC to run the entire line 4? Symbioz says there are 51 MP89CC built for line 1. 44 MP59 are on line 4. Should be enough MP89CC not?

Other question. When will the MP59 stock of line be replaced? Same for the MP67&88-stock of lines 3BIS/7BIS. I don't think they'll build special shorter MF2000 for those lines.
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Old October 13th, 2011, 03:16 PM   #2543
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Hum... no connection with line 2.
The major problem of this project, the lack of exchange between the two lines and 14.
At first it was planned but they decided to build a station at Pont Cardinet instead, I understand that Pont Cardinet is in a major redvelopment area while the district of Rome will not have any signifiant growth but the connection with the line 2 was much more important.
They can built the both stations.
A lot of people comming form the line 13 change at Place de Clichy for the line 2, so without an interchange with the line 2, the line 14 will have less effect to desaturate the line 13.

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Old October 13th, 2011, 04:55 PM   #2544
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You mean there are not enough MP89CC to run the entire line 4? Symbioz says there are 51 MP89CC built for line 1. 44 MP59 are on line 4. Should be enough MP89CC not?

Other question. When will the MP59 stock of line be replaced? Same for the MP67&88-stock of lines 3BIS/7BIS. I don't think they'll build special shorter MF2000 for those lines.
I did not mean that. I meant that it will not be long before there are enough MP89CC to allow the oldest MP59s to be retired.

I think it has been mentioned that the MF88 on Line 7b will eventually be replaced by refurbished MF67 from Line 2. Though I would bet that RATP may keep some of the MF67 from Line 5 to carry this out.

I wonder how many MF67 from Line 2 that RATP even decided to keep for this purpose.
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Old October 13th, 2011, 06:33 PM   #2545
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Opening of the northern extension in 2017.


Debut of the construction in 2013
-5.8 km
-4 new stations
-€1.2 billion
Total Rubbish. They seem to not have enough competence to realize that a Line 2 connection is needed. Then when the extension is built and Line 13 gets even more swamped, then it will be..."Yeah...I guess we should have built a Line 2 connection" and even more money will be wasted.

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Porte de Versailles with an MF01 passing through.

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Old October 13th, 2011, 08:12 PM   #2546
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The major problem of this project, the lack of exchange between the two lines and 14.
At first it was planned but they decided to build a station at Pont Cardinet instead, I understand that Pont Cardinet is in a major redvelopment area while the district of Rome will not have any signifiant growth but the connection with the line 2 was much more important.
They can built the both stations.
A lot of people comming form the line 13 change at Place de Clichy for the line 2, so without an interchange with the line 2, the line 14 will have less effect to desaturate the line 13.

Paris and its metropolitan area is really governed by a bunch of incompetent xxx !!!
I agree 100%. The Paris metro has so much potential, but the local government is an atrocity.
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Old October 14th, 2011, 01:30 PM   #2547
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So, I learnt that the first pre-series MP89 train didn't have articulation.
I don't know the reason, in an other forum some people guess it was because of the Bastille curve.
I also learnt that the NS93 of Santiago de Chile didn't have articulation at first.
It was added later.
After some image searching on Google, I stumbled upon a few photos of the NS 93 on the Chillean Forums. None of the trains pictured were articulated yet.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=75773283







I wonder how long the MP89CCs ran on the Paris Metro in this state? Perhaps a year or two?
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Old October 14th, 2011, 02:01 PM   #2548
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I don't if the first MP89 CC ran with passengers in this state, most parisians metro fan were unaware of this train without articulation.

Now the Santiago's NS93 have articulation.

http://www.urbanrail.net/am/sant/santiago.htm
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Old October 14th, 2011, 06:01 PM   #2549
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Total Rubbish. They seem to not have enough competence to realize that a Line 2 connection is needed. Then when the extension is built and Line 13 gets even more swamped, then it will be..."Yeah...I guess we should have built a Line 2 connection" and even more money will be wasted.
In fact, they don't care : it's not their money, but ours...

And they often don't even take subway...
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Old October 14th, 2011, 08:27 PM   #2550
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and even more money will be wasted
So, just what is it that's having money so wasted on it
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Old October 14th, 2011, 08:29 PM   #2551
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Porte de Vincennes



The most rundown station on the line 1 ?
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Old October 16th, 2011, 05:07 AM   #2552
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It does look rundown, but it could be worse...
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Old October 18th, 2011, 06:08 PM   #2553
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Old October 19th, 2011, 12:59 AM   #2554
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Neat video!

Les Halles - MP 89CC & MP 59.

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Old October 19th, 2011, 02:22 AM   #2555
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Next week there will probably be an other MP89CC on line 4!
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Old October 22nd, 2011, 10:27 AM   #2556
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Old October 23rd, 2011, 03:37 AM   #2557
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Unrefurbished train?
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Old October 23rd, 2011, 03:58 AM   #2558
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Yes there is something like 2 or 3 unrefurbished MF67 on the line 3.

A big new, we have dates for the second part of line 4 the southern extension (Mairie de Montrouge - Bagneux).
Start of work : 2014
Opening : 2019
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Old October 23rd, 2011, 05:45 AM   #2559
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Cool beans! What is the source? I would like to update the English Wiki with this info.
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Old October 23rd, 2011, 07:54 AM   #2560
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http://www.stif.info/IMG/pdf/STIF_-_Prolongement_M4.pdf
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