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Old March 25th, 2015, 06:46 PM   #561
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He's going underground I believe...
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Old March 25th, 2015, 11:47 PM   #562
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He's going underground I believe...
I thought he was above ground in a tomb lie structure?
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Old March 25th, 2015, 11:59 PM   #563
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I believe the coffin will be buried beneath floor level, but will be covered by the 2 ton tomb stone.
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Old March 26th, 2015, 12:18 AM   #564
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I believe the coffin will be buried beneath floor level, but will be covered by the 2 ton tomb stone.
Makes sense. Thanks.
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Old March 29th, 2015, 12:09 AM   #565
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A few photos from 'Leicester Glows' yesterday:

Leicester Glows - 27/03/2015 by Leicesteographer, on Flickr

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Old April 8th, 2015, 12:43 PM   #566
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Just to prove that Leicester hasn't just discovered the possibility of Richard II being buried here still...

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Just to prove that Leicester hasn't just discovered the possibility of Richard II being buried here still...
Richard II??? lol
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Old April 8th, 2015, 03:29 PM   #568
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Shhhh - it's a secret...
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I can confirm that there has been a pub known as 'the last Plantagenet' in Leicester since at least 1999
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Old April 9th, 2015, 03:36 AM   #570
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I can confirm that there has been a pub known as 'the last Plantagenet' in Leicester since at least 1999
And it's been a dive for as long as I can remember!

My late grandad went to school in the building which is now the RIII centre in the 1920's, and even then there was talk of Richard being buried in the surrounding land.
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Old April 10th, 2015, 04:37 PM   #571
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A bit more research on how Leicester is heavily linked to the Houses of York and Lancaster and the War of the Roses...

House of York

Dukes of York

3rd - Richard Plantagenet (1426) - knighted in Leicester by the future King Henry VI and received the Letters Patent to revive the House of York. Son buried in Leicester.

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Yorkist Kings

4th Duke and then King Edward IV (1460) - brother buried in Leicester
King Edward V (1483) - thought to be murdered by Richard III
King Richard III (1483) - buried in Leicester

House of York ends...

House of Lancaster

Earls of Lancaster and Leicester

1st - Edmund Crouckback, son of King Henry III and brother of Edward I (1267) - (inherited the lands of Simon de Montfort) - son buried in Leicester
2nd - Thomas (1296) - brother buried in Leicester
3rd - Henry (1322) - died and buried in Leicester

Dukes of Lancaster

1st - Henry of Grosmont (1351) - buried in Leicester (his father Henry, 3rd Earl of Lancaster also died and was buried in Leicester)
2nd - John of Gaunt (1362) - died in Leicester, as did his wife and three children, who are buried there

Merged into the Crown

Lancastrian Kings

3rd Duke and then King Henry IV (1399) (his wife is buried in Leicester)
King Henry V (1413) - mother buried in Leicester
King Henry VI (1422) - knighted at Leicester in 1426

House of Lancaster ends...


That major event in Leicester in 1426, has a chain of co-incidence that leads to Richard III taking the throne.

Richard Plantagenet was the father of King Edward IV and King Richard III. He was knighted, bringing the House of York back into being. Richard Woodville was also knighted at the same event, who was the father of Elizabeth Woodville, who became Edward IV's Queen. Another knighted was John Talbot, brought there by Margaret Beauchamp who had a daughter Eleanor. She is alleged to have made a marriage contract with Edward IV, which was used to declare his children illegitimate, allowing Richard III to take the throne.

Henry VII had to repeal this finding when he assumed the throne, as it legitimised his marriage to Elizabeth of York, the daughter of Edward IV.
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Old April 14th, 2015, 11:44 AM   #572
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I guess people just found the chucking in the river story a bit more interesting?

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By Leicester Mercury | Posted: April 14, 2015
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My quest to discover who was the first person to suggest Richard III was buried beneath a car park took me back to 1965.

But, I'm grateful to local historian Richard Gill for predating this by 45 years – even before the car park!

Mr Gill also, rightly, recognises the local historian who suggested it.

"After the celebrations, the votes of thanks to project instigator Philippa Langley, for her commitment and to the world-class experts of Leicester University, and thanks, also, to someone whose name has not been much mentioned – Charles Billson," writes Mr Gill, of Leicester.

"Billson also made the claim – but in 1920!

"To understand the significance of his work, we have to realise that for centuries, Leicester people thought at the destruction of Grey Friars, Richard's body was thrown into the Soar. This was first stated by John Speed in 1611 and everyone seems to have believed it.

"In 1869, when Bow Bridge was rebuilt, a large commemorative slab was erected and Mrs Fielding Johnson told the same tale, with lurid gusto, in her 1891 book, Glimpses of Ancient Leicester.

"Charles Billson (1858–1932), a historian and solicitor, did what all good historians do – went back to the original documents. In his book Medieval Leicester, he assessed Speed's claims against those of Robert Herrick.

"Speed was not a local, but Robert Herrick was. He lived in a house on the site of Grey Friars and when, in 1612, Christopher Wren, father of the famous architect, visited Leicester, he showed Wren a monument in the garden, marking Richard's grave.

"Billson realised the dates were crucial. He judiciously observed that Herrick did 'not appear to have been aware of the tradition which had been published by Speed the previous year; or, if so, he had evidently no faith in it. We cannot do better than follow his example.'

"Billson reasoned well. Herrick had been born in 1540, before Grey Friars was destroyed.

"If the Soar story was generally known, he would not have shown Wren the monument.

"What is remarkable is that few people took any notice.

"As late as 1994, the Soar tale was being told in print and at least one correspondent to the Leicester Mercury has repeated it in the last three years.

"But one man did read Billson – David Baldwin. He showed his debt to Billson in a carefully argued article of 1986. His conclusion has an eerily prophetic quality:

"'It is possible (though perhaps now unlikely) that at some time in the twenty-first century, an excavator may yet reveal the slight remains of this famous monarch.'"

Mr Gill adds: "David Baldwin must be delighted that, as we now know, the 'remains' of this 'famous monarch' were rather more than 'slight'"!
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A small taster of the Richard III Effect...





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