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Old June 13th, 2007, 03:21 PM   #21
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Are you happy to form all your opinions based on the PR puff put out to promote a pseudo-reality Channel 4 TV shows hosted by 2 London estate agents? Last year it was Manchester, which is ahead of Leeds in terms of regeneration - don't come running to me when it's Leeds' turn on the spit.
Now sorry I did say that in the same post that such surveying done for that programme was subject although using stats I guess they could easily be manipulated. You did ignore my post that there were also problems in Newcastle as well as Leeds as well as pretty much every city in the world. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4183017.stm Can't we just leave it as that instead of making it into a childish slanging match.
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I've got another idea anyway.

Why don't channel 4 commission a show listing the '10 worst places to live in Africa'. Possibly kicking around shanty towns in Kinshasa or Soweto and scoffing at the run down state of the local markets. It could then list a few cheap options for property development and arms dealing that might make a profit in the future.

Would be 'interesting' for Leeds#1 to see where Johannesburg and Nairobi come in the list.

Would be more interesting to see what sort of reception the show receives and what it does for investment and improving peoples perceptions, and giving a more rounded , balanced view.
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Old June 13th, 2007, 03:31 PM   #24
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Name me one area of any city in Britain as bad as Harehills?
Based on the deprivation index?

Harehills was a long way off the bottom of the list, there were many areas lower than Harehills (or anywhere in Leeds for that matter). We can dig the list out if you want.

This whole thread was a bit pointless really, you are criticising the negativity of picking on worst places based on media bullshit .. and I totally 100% agree with you on that at how damaging and cowardly it is, but then you are kind of trying to do the same thing to Harehills!
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Now im sorry but you must have misread my post as I have not criticised Hull at all and am merely commenting on that everywhere has deprived areas. A mate of mine once went to see his then girlfriend in Hull and over there it is unadvisable to go out alone in many estates of night because of the risk of muggings and he heard stories of being being mugged in pure day light on main roads. Id love Newcastle and Hull to be as much of a success as Leeds and even commented that Kirstie Allsop programme was rather biased and untrueful especially as something as a list of crap towns is never going to be trueful and be completely objective. Can't we just leave it that everywhere has deprived areas but hopefully with gentrification and economic investment things might improve.

Well...there you go...your perceptions of hull might be proved wrong if you ever visit.
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I've got another idea anyway.

Why don't channel 4 commission a show listing the '10 worst places to live in Africa'. Possibly kicking around shanty towns in Kinshasa or Soweto and scoffing at the run down state of the local markets. It could then list a few cheap options for property development and arms dealing that might make a profit in the future.

Would be 'interesting' for Leeds#1 to see where Johannesburg and Nairobi come in the list.

Would be more interesting to see what sort of reception the show receives and what it does for investment and improving peoples perceptions, and giving a more rounded , balanced view.
Well most people wouldnt watch it considering that most people dont have a TV in Africa...

I personally quite like Harehills. Its an exciting multicultural area, like Chapeltown. I've been to Hull many times, my nana used to live there. I used to hate going because it took forever to get there, but my impression of Hull itself is pretty indifferent.
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What's it like living in a so-called rough neighbourhood? BBC 1Xtra's Jenna G came to the streets of Harehills and Chapeltown (CPT) in Leeds to find out. These comments from Leeds people living there:


charlene
i hate harehills and cpt, everybody is all up in your buisness and there is too much crime

char
chappy aint dat bad its jst u get on da wrong side ov em n ur gon bassically u treat them right n they treat u right

keiran wood
my self i think gipton the worst area for car crime

Sparky
hi i live in an area wich has an estate near wakefield on a much smaller scale then chapeltown n i used to walk round hoping i wudnt get a beating until i was freinds wiv all the peaople there n wiv wot i seen and heard about chapeltown i deffo wud not wnt to go there

bill boi
those arent really bad if you want somewhere bad to visit go to cardiff theyll show you bad

danny
yo you all say harehills and cpt are bad yeh they gt sum bad crime but crime rate in pudsey/tyersal is well more so manz stp talkin bout cpt harehills

dog
cpt n harehills arent that bad there are worser places in leeds

Smiler
Ive lived and still live in the carr manors all my life and used to skate around chappy A and CPT and for a skinny white boy with long hair i seemed top get more trouble (mugging, threats, beatings) in chapel allerton than chapel town. i remember when i was about 9 or 10 walking down to CPT with a friend at about ten in the evening and getting stuck in one of the baby swings nothing happened. but if you go into chapel allerton park you may find a different storry as i used to. im not sure but when i was hanging around down there we had nothing to do but get kicked off everywhere we'd go. we had a couple of students try and set up some sort of youth club but that fell through after a month or so (i still wanna break dance damn it!!) The media will never get it right they will always put a bad name on minority communities to put fear into lets say white people and of course with the popularity of CA rising with more and more bars means more and more drunk people fighting and CA is closer to the station it must be more convenient for them. these are not the worst places to live in round here and i hope this helps someone. well thats my 2 cents im out. Smer

kirsty
chapletown is full of prossys an druggys an needs to calm dwn n get rid of smackheads

Tom
Man need 2 stop talkin bowt CPT and harehills lyk ther the worst place places in britain. fair enuff they have bad crime but once u get 2 kno it there not even that bad i go there quit frequently and have neva bin harrased or anything.

sian sinclair
i think meanwood area can be ok but it dose have hard jrugs and crimes i lived here for five years and nothing as happened to me yet!

Llwellyn
the area is not that bad,ok we have the dealers but they do it coz its easy money but the place has lots of talented youths but the goverment does't see that.

mp
ok maybe chapeltown has its bad sides well maybe a lot of them but i hope everyboby knows that aswell as crime coming out of hood theirs also possitive sides like school of dance leeds young outhers and projects like rjc dance and getaway girls. dont judge a book by its cover because if you take a look inside you begin to see differently...

bliss
my nan lives in chapeltown and there IS alot of crime where she lives i think personally its to do with young families and single parents not handling young children properly

James
I live in Chapeltown and from what I've heard in the comments on this page its all abit over the top really. People in the area feel hard done by because others are thinking the area is like something out of boyz 'n' the hood. The truth is chapeltown is a 'difficuilt' area with raids on the local establishments common practice. The main problem is that some youths in the area celebrate this fact and see it as something of boost to their social ego's and the common opinion that the police and "outsiders" are not welcome in their "yard" doesn't go anywhere towards helping create a better community. Granted a larger majority of the community are pushing for improvement but until the media change the way the area is written about (i.e.trouble area, under developed) we will not see major positive changes. The community it's self also needs to start helping themselves and not just reply on the fantastic youth projects that are been run at the Mandela Centre and HOST media centre. The events also need to lose the exclusivity tad allowing for further social intergration.

kai-omri
I have lived in chapeltown for over 10 years now, which is more than half of my life and as a 17 year old i have to say that it isn't the worst place to live. like everywhere it has its ups and it has its down. Yes there's a fair amoutn of crime, but not as much as the media makes out. they make it seem as though you cannot walk down the street without being shot at; this belief is simply the result of 'hype'. i love living there and i wouldn't want to live anywhere else, because funnily enough, it's somewhere i feel safe. i feel like i am around my 'own people' away from racism and abuse i may be subjected to in other areas such as halton moor and gipton. i also love the multi-cultural element of chapeltown and harehills that is difficult to find in other areas of leeds, such as beeston. there are blacks, whites and asians who live there together as a community, i am not trying to create a falsehood saying that we all live in harmony because its not perfect. But generally, everyone is able to live alongside each other. i can understand why some people may be threatened by young black boys wjo hang around on street corneers, i know we'd all like to think they are getting up to no good and dealing drugs, but for a lot of them that is not the case, they may simply just be chillin. there are however, i do not feel, enough activities for youths and any yputh projects that there are, i do not think are made public enough. the bottom line is, that the media is detrimental to chapeltown's reputation and i am growing tired of having to put ignorant people straight about things they don't know about.

george hudson
gipton seems to be the worst area. i live in the middle and from around 10,pm to about 5,am all you see is about 40 to 50 youths standing on the street corner. and maybe 4 or 5 stolen cars screeching around. i think the police should do something about it.

natalie
I don't live in chapletown any more but i still spend most of my time there. People talk about it like you see people with shot guns running around the steets and it not like that at all. On the suface it just like anywhere else man chillin on street corners messing about but that happenes anywhere an most man are not even selling drugs alot of them are just chillin. I also think that alot of the riots are created by the police, i have witnessed many time where the police have been rude, out of order and hit inercent by standers for no reason. Alot of the youth only chill on street corner cause they have nothing better to do, but now there is a new project in chaple town called project 7. This project offers things to do for us and take the youth off the street on a friday night. But i dont think it is enough we need more project like this.

George Ragan
Last June I returned to Leeds, for the first time in 23 years. I walked down Rookwood Terrace and saw the house where I was born - I had tears in my eyes. I went to my old school, felt so proud to be back - some of the best times in my life I spent there. I asked the teacher if I could walk round the schoolyard as the memories were flooding back, the teacher said for security reasons I cant let you - that was sad. I also went to Harehills Lane, my second home no. 557, who lives there now?? I had some good times in Leeds ,it was great to come home. My Australian wife loved it, I went to the soccer ground at the Shaftesbury where I had scored so many great goals. I love Leeds. George Ragan, Hobart, Tasmania

easy dave
I live in Chapeltown i got to say it aint perfect but if u knew us you wouldn't think it was all that bad!!! big it up Chapeltown!!

laura gibson
my area is the worser tahn your my uncle ronny got shot picking the dog off the floor

Andy
I suppose it depends on what you define as a 'bad area'. I was born on Halton Moor and brought up in Gipton/Osmondthorpe. There's plenty of bad areas, and I class Chapeltown as one of them. Let's put it this way - if I was married, I wouldn't let my wife walk through Chapeltown (or any of the other areas I've mentioned).

danny
As a 16 year old from Leeds i have 2 say dat Chapeltown isn't as bad as everyone seems to think. I'd heard stories but being from burley (which i believe is a worse area in different ways) had never really bin there wiv out my parents until my mate got remanded in armley 4 two weeks den got put in housing there. we went 2 his house well after 1 o'clock at nite many times and only got hassled once even though we saw lots of people our age, not such a bad place leave em alone espescially wiv hyde park, little london and richmond hill so close

anthony
chapletown is a good area it is known to be bad but really it is so bad and yes youth projects are helping it

Claire of Leeds Young Authors
Nice documentary and good pics of the areas. places like CPT and Harehills are really not as bad as people make them out to be. yeah the crime rate is pretty bad but name one place in the UK that doesn't have a harsh amount of crime. Crime is a part of the UK, deal with it!! why just single out places in Leeds like Chapeltown, Harehills, Meanwood and Woodhouse?!?!?!we ain't all bad you know. yet when we do try to improve there is always some fools that try to ruin it for us and then the people,like us, that are trying to make better of ourselves get the bad rep. open your eyes to the reality of the situation- seems like the 'ghetto rep' has some people eyes glued wide shut.

Toddy
Just bought a place in Harehills. There are problems around but not in my street. I don't seem to get any aggro. as I am 6 foot with a long red beard, huge tattoos and two Dobermanns! Feel sorry for the people whom have to live here who don't look like me!

Francis Edwards
Well I checked beatcrime.info and yes Harehills and Chapeltown really do have more incidence of crime, even compared to areas like Gipton and Halton Moor. Of course this is overall figures for the area, so there must be some really, really bad streets compared to the nice ones!

Emma Simpson
I have lived in Chapeltown my whole life & am constantly having to tell ignorant idiots that it really isn't as bad as the local media have made it out to be.The areas bad reputation emerged in the 1980s after riots. These riots were reported in the local and national press as black youths against the police and as a result of this quite frankly racist reporting chapeltown has been unfairly labelled as a place to fear. For everyone who has ever dissed CPT you should really take this into account. CPT and Harehills are mainly black and asian areas and just happen to be the areas that are labelled as worst for crime when those of you who live in East End Park, Middleton, Seacroft, Gipton, Hunslet ect will know how bad the crime is throughout the city. A man was shot dead in the street in Halton Moor a few weeks ago in broad daylight and no mention of it was made anywhere in the local media. [Note: The West Yorkshire Police have no record of such an incident in Halton Moor - BBC Leeds] The only reason I know about it is through a friend who works there. Had that been in Chapeltown it would have been all over the news. The point i am trying to make is that if these so called rough areas were not home to mainly blacks and asians they would not have the reputation they are stuck with. Everyone who thinks CPT is rough needs to fix up and see the bigger picture. Im not saying that those of you who diss chapletown are racist but you should be made aware of what the real situation is. the next time you open the evening post or watch calendar and see a negative story about chapeltown remeber that things are not always what they seem. Why is it the local media seem unwilling to report the endless stories of race attacks that take place in south leeds prefering to dump all crime on chapeltown? When something bad happens miles away from chapeltown why do they still class it as chapeltown thus making it look like there is more crime taking place in the area than there actually is? Unless you live in chapeltown you will never really know what it is like having to face such unbelievable prejudice just because of where you live. At the end of the day s**t does happen in CPT but the point is more s**t happens everywhere else but no one ever gets to hear about it. Nowhere in leeds is perfect!

Jonathan Marsden
All cities, towns and suburbs have good and bad areas. Its unfair to class all of Harehills or Chapeltown as bad areas when to be honest there are some lovely streets. I'm fortunate to own my own home near Harehills Park, the streets are clean, the neighbours are friendly, all properties are well maintained and I have never had any trouble. Admittedly there some terrible streets minutes away but there does appear to be some degree of improvement by both the council and private investors. If only something could be done to rid the chav's of this world that cause all the trouble, mindless vandalism and abusive behavour then these areas would be more inviting to others.

Louise
I live in harehills and every day I see the problems within the area. The main problem Is that the community is poor, uneducated and abandoned by a coucil more concerned with property development than community development. Young people roam the streets probably because there is no where to go - no leisure facilities no skate parks like in affluent Roundhay. Landlords eat up the available housing and rent out to people regardless. Unlike council property which is monitored and maintained. Harehills has the densest population per square mile in europe mainly because of the back to back houses being split into as many as three flats. The geaographical area cannot support this level of overcrowding. I wonder what Charles Dickens would make of it? On a more positive note there are many decent hard working people like myself who live in harehills because we cannot afford anywhere else. The area is not all that bad, it can be improved and young people need to be able to aspire to more than getting a house as a single mum. They need poitive role models to distract them from the notion of the Hood and Gangsta rule.

michael
i think that the harehills and chapeltown boundaries are the roughest of all places. i sometimes walk through harehills to go to a friends but i cant even get there without being bricked and stoned



So there are worse places than Chapeltown and Harehills - in Leeds! Don't tell Phil 'n Kirstie! How is building the Lumiere Tower going to help these people?
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Whats Lumiere got to do with this... Alot of my friends go out in Chapeltown and like it. People try to portray a bad image of these areas but theyre not as bad as people make out.
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My best friend lived in Harehills and around Chapeltown for a year as a student. He couldn't believe all the the gangs fighting and the drug-related crime. He was burgled, followed, intimidated and was in fear for his safety all the time. Despite being a very handy lad (16 stone ex-army and a boxer) he said it was the most terrifying place he'd ever experienced.
All big cities have that problem, not just Leeds. Coming from Newcastle, whose crime rate is like that of Trumpton on a bank holiday, I could see why it may be shocking. But there are equivalents in #Manchester, Birmingham, Liverpoool, London etc

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How are the two connected? It isn't the city council building Lumiere.
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Well most people wouldnt watch it considering that most people dont have a TV in Africa...

I personally quite like Harehills. Its an exciting multicultural area, like Chapeltown.
"Whats Lumiere got to do with this... Alot of my friends go out in Chapeltown and like it. People try to portray a bad image of these areas but theyre not as bad as people make out."


Yeah. they probably don't get channel 4 either. Silly me...

You obviously missed something in my post didn't you mate.

Regarding your 2nd 'point'...well...that's NICE isn't it?! you like to visit there then. Is it 'exciting' for you? How lovely. 'Laugh along with the common people' and all that.
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How are the two connected? It isn't the city council building Lumiere.
1) This thread is about Leeds.

2) How are the two connected? May I quote Louise:

"I live in harehills and every day I see the problems within the area. The main problem Is that the community is poor, uneducated and abandoned by a coucil more concerned with property development than community development."
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Reading through that list of comments from the residents, looks like the point you're trying to make has been disproved, many of the respondants like where they live, albeit acknowledging there are some problems.
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Just out of interest, Is Harehills the terraced estate on the right hand side that you pass when walking from city station to Elland Road?
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Reading through that list of comments from the residents, looks like the point you're trying to make has been disproved, many of the respondants like where they live, albeit acknowledging there are some problems.
Which..I think..is ChrisN's argument in relation to the worst places to live thread. Perhaps there are people in Blanau Gwent who like where they live?

BTW: Harrogate#1 is hardly acknowleging that there are problems in chapeltown. He appears to think it is a trendy, edgy place for a night out.
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No... thats Holbeck. Which is an area that is certainly, without doubt, on the up. Harehills is East Leeds. Of course Chapeltown has problems. But everywhere has problems. Ive not been out in Chapeltown but Cabbage there is a popular destination. Both places are exciting places- the different types of people and all those wonderful asian shops and eateries are something to be proud of.
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So are you moving there? Or do you still prefer Harrogate?
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Reading through that list of comments from the residents, looks like the point you're trying to make has been disproved, many of the respondants like where they live, albeit acknowledging there are some problems.
I'm on their side! Everybody got a right to defend their own home without being singled out for public humiliation. By using his own methods, the point I'm making to Leeds No.1 is that people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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There are some cultured places to go out to there, and it's not far from the extremely trendy and popular Chapel Allerton. If some of Chapel 'A's success filtered south, Chapeltown would certainly see some improvements. Harehills Lane is an interesting place to have a nosey down on a Saturday afternoon, packed with little local specialist food shops and second hand shops etc.
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Of course Chapeltown has problems. But everywhere has problems..

That answer is not sufficient as long as you continue to slag 'everywhere' else off.
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