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Old May 18th, 2017, 07:53 PM   #5181
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Excelent liveries, but it will be expensive fr them to rebrad, only economical solution is to put their current logo on tail and the title upfront.

Green one could work for PIA.
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Old May 18th, 2017, 10:52 PM   #5182
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LHE appears on Mahan map as planned route http://www.mahan.aero/en/ nothing in schedule yet, wiki still showing flight as starting in 22nd May, with Pak Aviation blog as reference http://pkaviation.com/2017/05/03/mah...ahore-flights/
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Old May 19th, 2017, 04:09 AM   #5183
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I can't believe people think BA, Cathay, Singapore etc. pulled out because of "security reasons". They didn't...they pulled out because they were making losses on the route due to LOW DEMAND.

Which airline is going to destroy its own reputation and name by admitting that low demand was the cause of the pullout? Obviously they are going to make an excuse of "security reasons".

And some Pakistanis are so foolish (don't take it personally) that they keep repeating this "security" nonsense over and over again. Sometimes Pakistanis are there own worst enemy. Continuously repeat myths to such an extent that lies become truth.
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Old May 19th, 2017, 04:11 AM   #5184
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With less traffic, it usually becomes a circular problem.

Airlines start with low frequency because traffic is low which in turns lowers the traffic further because the timings and frequency may not suit the passengers. A less load factor also increases cost which makes the airline loose more passengers.

It is cheaper, for instance, to go west to ME and then fly to Narita via Qatar than it is via CSA or PIA or Thai. It is is $923 by Qatar vs $1000 by PIA and $1328 by Thai. Same is the case of Karachi-Sydney where it is cheaper to fly using Etihad, or to Singapore where the cheapest option is Qatar.

It is not even funny for heaven's sake when it is cheaper to go west using Etihad and then to Bangkok for $486 (return) whereas a direct flight using Thai costs $646 (return).

* all quotes from expedia
But at the same time, aren't connecting flights always cheaper in every case? You pay for what get...meaning if you want a direct flight, you'll pay more.

The only reason PIA's Toronto route is so lucrative now is because they're non-stop. To New York is sadly at a disadvantage right now, otherwise PIA would be making a killing there too.
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Old May 19th, 2017, 04:20 AM   #5185
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Some if not all European airlines have quit due to security concerns, British was doing six weekly 777 to ISB but left immeditely following Marriott bombing. Lufthansa left LHE about a month later, I think they were thrice weekly A300 via Muscat.

For Air France, KLM and Swiss, SAS, Alitalia it was more than likely non-profitability, plus unattractive destination, same for Aeroflot and Tarom.

I dont think any reputed airline would be ashamed of saying they are incurring losses in a market like Pakistan, they dont even hide it when leaving prestigious routes.

Travel trends change, most airlines that left Pakistan found it not worth flying to anymore, especially with the Girlf carriers taking most of whatever traffic, hard truth.

If PIA was top notch and they found it unfeasible to continue serving a place like Kabul you think they wouldnt mention it and blame security?
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Old May 19th, 2017, 10:37 AM   #5186
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But at the same time, aren't connecting flights always cheaper in every case? You pay for what get...meaning if you want a direct flight, you'll pay more.
Find me one ticket to Dubai, Qatar, Doha, Muscat, or any city in Saudi that is cheaper via an indirect flight.

Why would going to Bangkok and then to Dubai be cheaper than going to Dubai directly? It isn't. But it is true the other way round.

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Some if not all European airlines have quit due to security concerns, British was doing six weekly 777 to ISB but left immediately following Marriott bombing. Lufthansa left LHE about a month later, I think they were thrice weekly A300 via Muscat.
I think the numbers I have quoted speaks for themselves.

British was carrying 75K passengers per year...peanuts really. Would they have quite if they were flying 750K or more? I am not saying they were making losses...I am saying Pakistan was not a major profit-making market for them to consider taking the risk. That is why they quit at the slightest possible sign of potential trouble. If they were flying 750K, it would have taken a lot more to bring them to this decision.
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Old May 19th, 2017, 11:26 PM   #5187
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British didnt even reduce frequency, infact this was their peak service to ISB in their entire history, they used be just thrice weekly before.
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Old May 19th, 2017, 11:38 PM   #5188
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Did anyone know PIA are qutting India completely from June, LHE-Delhi with ATR isnt staying either.

First time the two countres dont have direct link in peacetime history.

Some foreign carriers that linked both in past were Pan Am, Air France, Malaysia Airlines, Sri Lankan/Air Lanka, MEA, Phiiippine Airlines, JAL, BOAC.

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Old May 22nd, 2017, 08:37 PM   #5189
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Today FR24 is showing Kunming-Karachi-Kunming flight by Uni-Top Airline. When this airline came to Pakistan?
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Old May 22nd, 2017, 10:24 PM   #5190
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Did anyone know PIA are qutting India completely from June, LHE-Delhi with ATR isnt staying either.

First time the two countres dont have direct link in peacetime history.

Some foreign carriers that linked both in past were Pan Am, Air France, Malaysia Airlines, Sri Lankan/Air Lanka, MEA, Phiiippine Airlines, JAL, BOAC.
Purely economic decision. When I traveled to Mumbai on airbus, only 3 pax in whole of aircraft.
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Old May 23rd, 2017, 12:06 AM   #5191
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Today FR24 is showing Kunming-Karachi-Kunming flight by Uni-Top Airline. When this airline came to Pakistan?
It shows only data from 20th May, two more flights are to operate this month, its a cargo airline.

How di you see it, flight was not tracked it has no clip showing the route https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/uw9931

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Old May 24th, 2017, 06:10 PM   #5192
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Salam Air launches Pak-Oman direct services

LAHORE (PR): SalamAir, Oman’s first budget airline, has welcomed Sialkot and Multan to its fast-growing network of destinations. With one-way tickets starting at just 9,900 PKR, the thrice weekly direct service between Muscat and Sialkot began on 16th May while flights to Multan started on 23rd May. Karachi is set to join the SalamAir flight schedule in the coming months. Offering guests added convenience, Gerry’s Group, Pakistan’s largest aviation and travel services company, has been appointed as SalamAir’s on ground partner.
“I am confident the increased connectivity provided by SalamAir on these currently under-served routes will strengthen trade relations between Pakistan and Oman,” said Khalid Al Yahmadi, Chairman of SalamAir. “The flights will promote business and leisure travel between Pakistan and Oman, serving in particular the needs of the Sultanate’s vibrant Pakistani expatriate community, currently over 220,000. Additionally, the new services will facilitate travel for Omanis keen to explore the possibilities of Pakistan’s booming economy, particularly the wealth of opportunities presented by the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor. For its part, Pakistan’s business community will be able to capitalize on the Sultanate’s investor friendly regulatory framework and the many lucrative commercial options of Oman’s diversifying economic base, which includes tourism, manufacturing, fisheries, mining and logistics.”
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Old May 25th, 2017, 09:47 AM   #5193
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Malindo Air (Batik Air Malaysia) on Wednesday (17MAY17) updated its schedule, which sees the launch of world’s first Boeing 737 MAX 8 service (7M8). The all-Economy Class 180-seater aircraft is scheduled to enter service on 22MAY17, operating on routes including:

Kuala Lumpur – Lahore
01JUN17 – 30JUN17 OD131/132

Source: http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/...17-operations/

Malindo Air (Batik Air Malaysia) is the launch operator of Boeing 737 MAX.

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/news-rel...ts?item=129894

Hope the first Boeing 737 MAX flight in Lahore gets warm welcome including water cannon salute.

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Old May 25th, 2017, 01:40 PM   #5194
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Malindo just took another new 787 into service the other day - they have another one inducted in couple of weeks ago - probably that's the one which is coming here
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Old May 25th, 2017, 04:44 PM   #5195
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any chance to start Islamabad flights? Malindo?
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Old May 26th, 2017, 09:34 AM   #5196
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Malindo just took another new b737max into service the other day - they have another one inducted in couple of weeks ago - probably that's the one which is coming here
for your correction its B737max not 787 make this correction
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Met office to introduce advanced services for New Islamabad Airport

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ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Meteorological Department (PMD) has planned to provide advanced-technology-based aviation met services from New Islamabad international Airport (NIIA) to all international and National flights.

PMD, with the support of aviation division, Government of Pakistan (GOP), procured a State-of-the-art "Pilot-Met-Briefing-System" from France that will be installed at NIIA before operational.

Technical staff of PMD has been trained about this system by Aviation Expert from COROBOR France in last week, said a news release issued here on Wednesday.

Spokesman further informed that, PMD will up-grade its existing aviation-met services at all airports in the near future.

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Old May 29th, 2017, 11:01 PM   #5198
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Does Pakistan have open skies? I thought it was only for Karachi since the Jinnah Terminal was opened over 20 years ago, it didnt bright in anything worthwhile, those that came with that:

Ethiopian
Sudan Airways
ZAS Egypt
Turkmenistan Airlines
Air Kazakhstan
Azerbaijan Airlines?

Maybe a few more African and CIS carriers stealing passengers for Dubai, Abu Dhabi and Sharjah.
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Old May 30th, 2017, 06:24 PM   #5199
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Pakistan CAA to adopt international best practices

http://dailytimes.com.pk/business/30...best-practices

KARACHI: The Pakistan Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) has planned to initiate the organizational transformation process with an objective to transform itself into one of the leading aviation organizations in the world.

In a bid to implement international best practices of the industry and vision of the federal government as outlined in the National Aviation Policy, the CAA has decided to enhance its organizational capabilities in terms of safety, security, efficiency, capacity building and environment, etc.

It is also intended to upgrade the technological infrastructure including adoption of best industrial practices and implementation of modern business and information technology concepts.

In order to successfully undertake this process, CAA has invited professional world class consultancy firms to submit proposals for consultancy services for identifying organizational transformation strategies and suggesting their implementation.

The consultant shall conduct a process audit & an operational review of existing processes, policies and procedures and identify gaps and capacity weaknesses compared to international best practices. The consultant shall undertake re-engineering of work processes for improved productivity, where required.

The consultant shall carry out independent complete diagnostic study of the organizational structure and provide necessary recommendations for improvements. Consultant would also review the existing procedures, processes and regulations and propose steps to improve the organizational structure, culture, strategy and systems.

The CAA wants the consultant to identify gaps in the present functioning and propose recommendations for organizational transformation on modern lines and its way forward/implementation mechanism with timelines. The consultant shall develop change management plan and its implementation strategy for effective roll out of the transformation plan, workforce adjustment policies and preparing the managers to lead the change effectively. The consultant should also propose a grievance redressal forum and its mechanism.

The consultant should shall carry out a requisite analysis and development of business critical success factors. "To facilitate in assisting in developing state of the art management information system to support a clear performance oriented management models along with building capabilities in the key areas of regulatory, air navigation services, airport services, strategic human resource management, supply change management, customer relationship management, enterprise resource planning, integrated management system focusing revolutionized business outlook of an aviation organization marketing, finance, contract management and operations".

The consultant shall develop HR analytics, conduct job analysis for competency based human resource system. Under the organizational transformation, the CAA will endure research, design, implement and maintain employee development programs including training, leadership development of human capital, succession planning, talent management, etc. to meet business objective and goals.

The consultant would also ensure implementation of the whole process after approval of the recommendations/proposal by the competent authority with defined timelines.
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Old May 30th, 2017, 09:11 PM   #5200
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It shows only data from 20th May, two more flights are to operate this month, its a cargo airline.

How di you see it, flight was not tracked it has no clip showing the route https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/uw9931
Service is regular maybe, but dosent appear in the fleet operation history, like the one that flew couple of days back is not listed in there.

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