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Old April 30th, 2017, 03:50 PM   #5101
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Old May 1st, 2017, 08:32 PM   #5102
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Can tell me about the performance of Serene air.Is it big enough of a threat to other local airlines in competition?Is Serene a game changer in Pakistan's aviation industry?Are we finally going to witness the long overdue rise of Pakistan's aviation industry???
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Old May 1st, 2017, 09:41 PM   #5103
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As for a new airline it appears to be doing good but I'm not sure about rise of aviation industry. Domestic air travel is mainly just between Lahore, Islamabad to Karachi and vice versa that too has a very small number of flights for the size of these cities. PIA and middle eastern airlines have a monopoly over international market and I don't see that getting better. Pakistani airlines really need to upgrade there quality of service. I mean local bus operators now have a better service than our airlines.
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Old May 1st, 2017, 10:02 PM   #5104
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Considering that the aviation industry had been declining and stagnant for the past 20 years or so,there are tangible signs of a turn-around .Not only new private airlines,but second tier airports like Faisalabad, Multan and Sialkot etc are getting busier with more foreign airlines flying in.The upgrading of Peshawar,Quetta and Faisalabad and of course Lahore will have a positive effect as will be emminent outsourcing of the management of the 3 major airports to the private sector.
Then there is the new Islamabad airport nearing completion and the new U/C Gwadar Airport. Traffic to cities in the North like Skardu, Gilgit and Chitral is steadily increasing.
As for Middle Eastern Airlines, they are giving all internarional airlines a major headache ,from South Africa to the US,not just in Pakistan. Major US airlines are contemplating legal action against the monopoly of these Gulf-based airlines.
So a lot is happening in the aviation industry in Pakistan; it has started to recover from nearly 20 years of decline,not only in terms of airlines,but airports as well.
Karachi-Lahore-Islamabad being major metropolitan centres as well as business hubs will always attract the most traffic,but there is a huge potential just waiting to be tapped in other parts of the country.
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Old May 2nd, 2017, 08:31 AM   #5105
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Air travel between small cities should be tax free to encourage airlines to cater small cities
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Old May 2nd, 2017, 12:28 PM   #5106
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Taxes are a big problem in Pakistans aviation industry. Nearly half the price of your ticket is tax. That's why no Pakistani airline (other than Pia bcoz of govt support) has survived an international route out of the Middle East region.
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Air travel between small cities should be tax free to encourage airlines to cater small cities
The so called "socio-economic' routes of PIA are subsidised by the government to a large extent and therefore rarely profitable .PIA may be not be perfect; hardly any national airline (outside the Middle East ) is making a profit;but PIA does some good things too for w which we do not give it credit for;flying on remote unprofitable routes,evacuating Pakistani citizens from war zones,transporting the dead bodies back to Pakistan free of charge etc.Also,it's the world pioneer of the massive annual haj airlift and it still leads the world in haj operations.
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Old May 2nd, 2017, 01:46 PM   #5108
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Old May 3rd, 2017, 05:02 PM   #5109
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Considering that the aviation industry had been declining and stagnant for the past 20 years or so,there are tangible signs of a turn-around .Not only new private airlines,but second tier airports like Faisalabad, Multan and Sialkot etc are getting busier with more foreign airlines flying in.The upgrading of Peshawar,Quetta and Faisalabad and of course Lahore will have a positive effect as will be emminent outsourcing of the management of the 3 major airports to the private sector.
Then there is the new Islamabad airport nearing completion and the new U/C Gwadar Airport. Traffic to cities in the North like Skardu, Gilgit and Chitral is steadily increasing.
As for Middle Eastern Airlines, they are giving all internarional airlines a major headache ,from South Africa to the US,not just in Pakistan. Major US airlines are contemplating legal action against the monopoly of these Gulf-based airlines.
So a lot is happening in the aviation industry in Pakistan; it has started to recover from nearly 20 years of decline,not only in terms of airlines,but airports as well.
Karachi-Lahore-Islamabad being major metropolitan centres as well as business hubs will always attract the most traffic,but there is a huge potential just waiting to be tapped in other parts of the country.
But PIA socio network has shrunk to nothing, look at what it was till 1990s to compare, wikipedia PK routes article has several maps.
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Old May 3rd, 2017, 06:53 PM   #5110
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But PIA socio network has shrunk to nothing, look at what it was till 1990s to compare, wikipedia PK routes article has several maps.
Well that's what I meant when I was referring to the decline and stagnation of the past 20 years or so..And that there's a huge potential out there just waiting to be tapped.
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Old May 3rd, 2017, 07:05 PM   #5111
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I quoted the wrong post, this is the one

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The so called "socio-economic' routes of PIA are subsidised by the government to a large extent and therefore rarely profitable .PIA may be not be perfect; hardly any national airline (outside the Middle East ) is making a profit;but PIA does some good things too for w which we do not give it credit for;flying on remote unprofitable routes,evacuating Pakistani citizens from war zones,transporting the dead bodies back to Pakistan free of charge etc.Also,it's the world pioneer of the massive annual haj airlift and it still leads the world in haj operations.
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Old May 3rd, 2017, 07:06 PM   #5112
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I quoted the wrong post, this is the one
I know...and my reply stills the same.....The rot of the past 20 years need,and can be reversed
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Old May 4th, 2017, 02:27 AM   #5113
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Shaheen Air continues with fleet expansion
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Old May 4th, 2017, 02:31 AM   #5114
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Cabin crew of Serene Air take a selfie with some celebrity guests on board.
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Old May 4th, 2017, 02:49 AM   #5115
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I know...and my reply stills the same.....The rot of the past 20 years need,and can be reversed
There is no profut in serving those, thats why PK have also curtailed a number of them is what I meant, private airlines will never fly to them except Skardu for obvious reasons, but its still not that important as Airblue and Shaheen have shown.
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There is no profut in serving those, thats why PK have also curtailed a number of them is what I meant, private airlines will never fly to them except Skardu for obvious reasons, but its still not that umoirtant as Airblue and Shaheen have shown.
The government used to subsidise these these remote routes due to their inaccessibility, but now with the phenomenal improvement in road transportation; it is not really necessary. Baluchistan and other remote areas are now being criss crossed by network of modern motorways and highways so are no longer dependent only on air links .And improved rail links and services are also being invested in as well.However the emerging middle class with rising incomes will still prefer air services due to the time factor so demand for these will increase as well.And in such remote areas, similar to the Australian outback,the Alaskan and Canadian wilderness,small,economical passenger planes from 12 seater to 60 seater ones,run by private small regional carriers,not big airlines like PIA or Shaheen etc will be the ideal solution. Even commercial helicopter services in areas of difficult terrain would be ideal.Even Nepal has a number of small commercial carriers which provide air and helicopter services to both locals as well as tourists.In Pakistan, at this stage the main chunk of the tourists are middle class domestic tourists who have disposal incomes and can support such ventures, along with local travellers to remote areas.
Let Shaheen,PIA, Airblue, Serene and Indus Air concentrate on the more lucrative domestic and international routes,while encourage the growth of small feeder carriers to the more remote areas. There is enough potential for their growth.
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flights to Nunavut in Canada from Ottawa cost just as much as flights from Toronto to Islamabad because of the bad demand. Well they do use old 737-200s so the fuel and empty seats have to pay from somewhere. The small regional carriers in Northern Canada fly World War II planes lol not the best option. There is actually something to see in Pakistan's Northern areas even in the more remote areas that's why PIA has introduced A320s on the Skardu route otherwise they would be using the same ATRs. there actually is a demand to travel up there. the only people flying on the remote North American airlines are people who need to go back home from working in natural resource industries in the middle of nowhere.
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Old May 5th, 2017, 07:52 AM   #5119
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True,but I was referring to more remote and less visited areas like Dalbandin, Zhob, etc..Perhaps a private feeder service twice weekly to connect these places to Quetta etc and catering not to the tourists as much students and others who travel on these routes?PIA wouldnot have to incur losses on these routes yet a small aircraft, say a 12 to 20 seater run by a private concern twice weekly more profitable?Perhaps someone should do some market research?
And yes,air traffic to Gilgit Baltistan etc will keep on going up due to the tourist boom in these areas, but someone should also consider feeder helicopter service between Hunza and Gilgit etc?...and many such routes ?I am not an aviation expert but I think there is a huge potential for such small feeder services. Yes ,road transport and conditions throughout the country are improving at a phenomenal rate,but considering the distances and the time factor,as well as rising incomes,there is a large untapped potential for air travel between smaller centres which the private sector should look into.☺
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Pakistan, Turkey to boost civil aviation

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LAHORE - Pakistan and Turkey have agreed on extending cooperation in different arenas particularly to enhance their competitiveness in civil aviation.

It was decided in a meeting between Adviser to Prime Minister on Aviation Sardar Mehtab Ahmad Khan and Ambassador of Turkey in Pakistan S Babur Girjin on Friday. Besides them, Secretary Aviation Division Irfan Elahi and other officials were also present on this occasion. Matters of mutual interests to strengthening the ties between both countries particularly related to aviation industry were also discussed in a meeting.

The PM’s adviser highlighted various steps underway for ongoing advancement of National Airline specifically flights safety, punctuality, ground handling, maintenance and induction of latest technology as well for the promotion of aviation. The Turkish ambassador highly appreciated all endeavours taken by the incumbent government and Sardar Mehtab in this regard. Also the adviser acknowledged the significant and protagonist contribution of Turkey in the region under the leadership of Tayyip Erdogan and expressed that being functioning democracies, Pakistan and Turkey are important icons of Muslim community and they owe important geographical positions in the region.

He also shared that both countries are bound with fraternal ties which should be cultivated constantly in order to promote mutual interests.

In the meeting, it was decided that in order to follow a fast pace sustainable development model and to embark on solid infrastructure of aviation sector, both counties should exchange the skills and technology to upgrade the competiveness and performance of aviation industry.

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