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Old May 18th, 2015, 12:37 PM   #641
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Sheer coincidence I imagine, but does the diagonal line across the roof correspond to the edge of the St Paul's sightline running across the site?
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Old May 24th, 2015, 12:21 AM   #642
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Wonder what the interior spaces are like?
From close up, all of the interior steel pillars are still exposed inside on most of the higher floors I can see from my building. Not much major fitting out happened as of yet, I can see anyway.

I note from the previous pictures some of the windows are being covered up (?)

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Old May 31st, 2015, 08:15 PM   #643
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This is pretty much there now, a few floors inside being fitted out.

It's truly abysmal. Although the lines are sharp and the metallic clad is a clean fit, the building itself is a bloated horror that just simply doesn't work in this tight City spot. The ground level, with its sheer blank walls and downdrafts is absolutely shocking, and the way people are forced through dark undercuts in the corners because the building couldn't adapt to the site is gruesome. It's clearly an oversized brute, with any artistic flair considered an afterthought and resulting in naff diagonals and cut outs that lack any sense of thought or contemplation of what this building adds to the locale. A prison for bankers and an outstanding example of the arrogance of the City and its future.

A word of warning, I was approached by a security guard outside not for taking a photo, but for simply standing to look at it. Thinking he was approaching me to discuss the building, I started up a conversation, only to be asked what I was doing and not to loiter in the vicinity. As I walked away and approached the other side of the square, I noticed another guard maintaining eye contact with myself and being radioed of my presence. I've never felt more unwelcome or felt to be a threat like that in my life, and if this is what is expected around this area for simply looking at a building I doubt I will return. An outstandingly horrific urban experience all round.













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Old May 31st, 2015, 09:55 PM   #644
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Did this building really come from the same pen that designed the beautiful gherkin?
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Old May 31st, 2015, 10:22 PM   #645
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I haven't been stopped when taking photos of it (like the one below, taken last week), maybe because they're just passing mobile phone snaps:


5 Broadgate by SE9, on Flickr


Oversized is an apt description of the development. It's an unashamedly 'corporate' structure.
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Old June 1st, 2015, 08:54 AM   #646
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There is definitely a plethora of security guards around; clearly they feel important, probably having come off benefits and can maintain an appearance of superiority. I noticed this when I was last there. Really quite a boring and uninspiring job. But they are 'guarding' the whole estate.
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Old June 1st, 2015, 01:15 PM   #647
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This is pretty much there now, a few floors inside being fitted out.

It's truly abysmal. Although the lines are sharp and the metallic clad is a clean fit, the building itself is a bloated horror that just simply doesn't work in this tight City spot. The ground level, with its sheer blank walls and downdrafts is absolutely shocking, and the way people are forced through dark undercuts in the corners because the building couldn't adapt to the site is gruesome. It's clearly an oversized brute, with any artistic flair considered an afterthought and resulting in naff diagonals and cut outs that lack any sense of thought or contemplation of what this building adds to the locale. A prison for bankers and an outstanding example of the arrogance of the City and its future.

A word of warning, I was approached by a security guard outside not for taking a photo, but for simply standing to look at it. Thinking he was approaching me to discuss the building, I started up a conversation, only to be asked what I was doing and not to loiter in the vicinity. As I walked away and approached the other side of the square, I noticed another guard maintaining eye contact with myself and being radioed of my presence. I've never felt more unwelcome or felt to be a threat like that in my life, and if this is what is expected around this area for simply looking at a building I doubt I will return. An outstandingly horrific urban experience all round.

I work in Broadgate Circle and you're right about the security guards - I was taking a photo of one of the statues outside UBS a few months back, and had one jog up to me, babbling something about terrorism. Scared me half to death. They're also a nuisance when you've finished work and are having a chat with colleagues outside the office. Even then they're milling around, ready to swoop in at any moment. If they're that paranoid about someone defiling their estate, they should make employees wear ID tags on the premises - as is required on many other estates/business parks around London.

But yes, I agree with all your comments re: the design of the new building. It is far too bulky, destroys the original symmetry of the circle, and its motifs look like the after-thought scribblings of a graphic designer doing the cover of a Pat Sharp video. Apparently, so someone at work told me, another one of the corner buildings may be going soon as well - to be replaced by the sleeker, curvier, vaguely streamline moderne proposal put in by Hopkins Architects. So an even more confused layout perhaps soon to follow.

For what it's worth, while I'm no huge fan of PoMo, I think the original beige colour offices of Broadgate are quite stylish. They're certainly unique - I've never seen anything quite like them anywhere. Given that a lot of what goes on inside them involves intelligence-gathering, the portcullis-style exteriors on the street side of the building are more pertinent than most people realise too.

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Old June 1st, 2015, 01:29 PM   #648
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I haven't been stopped when taking photos of it (like the one below, taken last week), maybe because they're just passing mobile phone snaps:
You're on the street there, not on the estate itself, so probably outside their 'jurisdiction'.

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Old June 1st, 2015, 01:47 PM   #649
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Did this building really come from the same pen that designed the beautiful gherkin?
It is a big stretch of the imagination to comprehend that the firm (and/or the people at the firm) behind this project – which has more in common with distribution warehouses you see on the M6 – had anything to do with the genius and elegance of the Gherkin. Here’s to hoping that the firm working on this fail to win another commission in the UK to avoid the repeat of a similar tragedy.
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It's what you get when you go all anti-skyscraper / anti-window, word of warning to the rest of London and those short-sighted newspaper commentators and nearby conservation groups

Having said that I don't mind it from the singular experience of a giant sculpture landing in from 1980s Tokyo and I find the all-weather shine appealing as a counter to the rather heavy and clumsy po-mo granite and terracotta's that fill the senses around here. It particularly looks great in juxtaposition with the stone circle and the rusted metal sculpture at the main entrance point.

It could have kept the same massive sculpture feel and been more joyful at ground level, incorporating some through routes and ground retail with some compromise from the client as you could imagine would have happened in 1980s Tokyo: dramatic funky shopping mall and free toilet facilities.

Pretty depressing as Darjole pointed out but I would say this was same for the wider estate which is basically this exact concept just on a larger scale and that was borrowed from Canary Wharf. All are inward looking and merely present a few entry points and air-vents/service bays to the original streets around. The City of London like Canary Wharf isn't exactly renown for their interesting master-planning.

I'm imagining the curvy building proposal that will link the triangle of Crossrail, Broadgate circle and Liverpool st Station will be more interesting in terms of routes and ground level.
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Old June 1st, 2015, 03:33 PM   #651
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I don't have a huge problem with its design but I've never seen a building which displays as much hostility to its surroundings as this. A particularly unpleasant corporate footprint on London, with no regard for what it will look like in 30 years or so.
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Old June 1st, 2015, 04:51 PM   #652
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You're on the street there, not on the estate itself, so probably outside their 'jurisdiction'.
I've taken plenty of photos of 5 Broadgate from within the estate too.


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All are inward looking and merely present a few entry points and air-vents/service bays to the original streets around. The City of London like Canary Wharf isn't exactly renown for their interesting master-planning.
Yes, and it's a shame: Exchange Square is a good public space, as is the amphitheatre bit of the Circle. It's just no one knows they're there.
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I've taken plenty of photos of 5 Broadgate from within the estate too.


5 Broadgate by SE9, on Flickr
Maybe you got lucky then. Great pics by the way.
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I'd happily nominate this for the carbuncle cup!

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Old June 3rd, 2015, 03:05 PM   #656
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Ironically, it looks even more 80s (and not in a good way) than the original Broadgate development, which at least attempted to be understated and classy. This looks more brash and like a cheap 80s development. I can't see it lasting for more than 25 years.
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