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View Poll Results: Which design do you prefer?
The KSS design 73 16.70%
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Old Today, 01:08 AM   #46681
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The run-off area from pitch markings to seats is much wider & further to the East Stand than to the South Stand.
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So, these two pieces in the middle of the pitch that got made tonight, are they preformed walls that will end up in the up SE & SW which are on show on most renders dividing the South from the West and East stands.. Seems a tad strange to be pouring concrete/cement there.
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Old Today, 01:22 AM   #46683
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From Chris’s Video this am

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This is also a screen shot from Chris’s vid

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Any body else notice The Crèche


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@ Pilip

Instead of replying to your latest post in the new Stamford Bridge thread, I've moved the discussion over here because I'm pretty sure that those wanting to read about the new Stamford Bridge aren't interested.

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Yes we're in the wrong thread for this but I strongly disagree.

The original quote still included building round the original stadium, and in some ways the original plan would have been far more costly as it would have been a two part build, with Spurs moving into a 2/3rds built stadium - which would have had to be completely ready for use - before starting on the last third.
The rate of build was always going to be frenetic and planned for in the original costs.
The original estimate for the entire KSS plan was £450m. The stadium only cost was estimated at circa £250m. We know that because Matthew Collecott was quoted back in 2009(ish) as saying that Spurs would be able to build their new stadium for not much more than it had cost Arsenal to build the Emirates five years earlier. And Arsenal's stadium only cost was £230m.

And while the KSS design's two stage build wouldn't have been ideal in terms of cost, I very much doubt that it would have been anything like as expensive as this build. The amount of manpower and overtime that Spurs have had to throw at this project in order to keep up with a very challenging schedule is scary. The key driver for this urgency is the NFL partnership, IMO. There would have been no NFL partnership for the KSS stadium, so no external time pressure and no soaring overtime costs. Nor, by the way, would there have been one season away at Wembley with the threat of a second if the schedule slipped.

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The retractable pitch, while very innovative, wasn't that expensive, and planning for it meant the south stand is a simple steel construction with little of the expensive-to-build concrete regular stadium construction (ie all the facilities normally under each stand).
Steel is generally more expensive than concrete. There can be a saving on labour costs with steelwork but not when so much of that labour is overtime. As to the comparative lack of facilities in the south stand, it will have bars and kiosks and toilets - all the things that any other stand has and needs. What it won't have is any corporate facilities. But you do realise that that will be more than compensated for by corporate facilities elsewhere in the stadium? The Populous design will actually have some 1500 more corporate seats than the KSS design. It will also, by the way, have a number of other features that the KSS design lacked - a huge locker room complex for the NFL on the east side; a brewery; a bakery etc. In fact, the Populous design will have myriad bells and whistles that the KSS design lacked. And bells and whistles cost.

By the way, what makes you think that the retractable pitch isn't very expensive? How much do you think it cost? Bear in mind that you have to factor in the concrete base, the huge steel trays, all the various mechanisms and machinery, the research and testing.......If it wasn't very expensive, why wouldn't every new stadium have one?

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Even the most expensive estimates of the current plan is costed (total) at £850. That includes £150m of land procurement, £100m of existing land, Lilywhite house, the hotel, public spaces and all the apartment buildings.
That doesn't leave more than £300-350m for the current stadium build.
The only time that the club has publicly mentioned £800m or £850m, they were very clear about the fact that the figure was for the stadium alone. Included in that would indeed have been some £150m of property purchases. Also included would be the Tottenham Experience / shop building along with the podium and groundworks for the remainder of the NDP. But it wouldn't include building the apartment buildings. Nor would it include the cost of building Lilywhite House because that was bought by another ENIC company which subsequently paid for its construction.

So I repeat, there is no way that the stadium construction cost alone will be anything like as low as £300m. I doubt that we'll get a penny's change from £500m.

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And as for exchange rate. Actually, until the Brexit vote on 23rd June (16 months ago), by which time NWHL was already above ground and the vast majority of procurement would have been signed and sealed, Sterling was higher than it was when the original plans were costed.
Maybe higher than it was when the original KSS plans were costed. But the relevant comparison in this instance is the exchange rate when the Populous plans were first costed. The club itself said that the exchange rate was a contributing factor to the greatly increased construction costs.
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