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Old July 25th, 2015, 04:27 AM   #101
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JB is really far from PTP even Tuas. No so much land facing Tuas. Only kampung facing Forest City left which possibly for industrial sector and shipyard in future. It's more about controlling land price. The rest are gazetted by PTP and owned by UEM and Sunway Iskandar on 2nd link other side. Recently Forest City is building Tourism Hub, hotel, terminal etc (phase 1). So much undeveloped land dotted everywhere in JB are controlled by Malaysian developers. Might late but market is possibly mature at that time.
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Old July 25th, 2015, 05:50 AM   #102
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Bro take another look at the Malaysian Map especially that part!Never mind they can knock them self silly reclaiming that part but beyond that towards Kukup its almost open sea toward the straits of Melaka and the straits of Singapore.If the Singaporeans can actually create a Mega Port out of nothing why cant we?That area can be the biggest open bay for ships to drop anchor.Lets give the Singaporeans a run for the money what they can offer we can do better and cheaper .That corner of the straits of Melaka is just so strategic .May be we just so blind to realize it all these years!
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Old July 25th, 2015, 06:28 AM   #103
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Bro take another look at the Malaysian Map especially that part!Never mind they can knock them self silly reclaiming that part but beyond that towards Kukup its almost open sea toward the straits of Melaka and the straits of Singapore.If the Singaporeans can actually create a Mega Port out of nothing why cant we?That area can be the biggest open bay for ships to drop anchor.Lets give the Singaporeans a run for the money what they can offer we can do better and cheaper .That corner of the straits of Melaka is just so strategic .May be we just so blind to realize it all these years!
I'm agreed with you..i think the reclaimed land by Banelec even more strategic than Tuas mega port.What a silly governance to throw away this golden opportunity.
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Old July 25th, 2015, 10:28 PM   #104
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Banelec is the closest to PTP, no need to look Kukup since no highway and very far from 2nd link. Hopefully can move this petrochemical complex to Pengerang. Pengerang itself can bet Jurong petrochemical hub. So, we'll have mega port and petrochemical hub like SG too. Plus, we could expand PTP until Tanjung Piai or maybe Kukup in future without any obstruction.

We're out of topic, not related to Forest City thread. Let's move on. Critics/comments are welcomed.
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Old July 26th, 2015, 12:29 AM   #105
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Fair enoughI actually would love to know who is the genius who came up with this" For Rest City"idea.
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Old July 26th, 2015, 02:02 AM   #106
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Source: http://news.asiaone.com/news/singapo...s-johor-sultan

Forest City's critics are jealous: Johor Sultan

"They politicised Forest City because they are jealous. It's a case of sour grapes," Sultan Ibrahim said, without saying who he was referring to.

"If you say narrowing the straits, look at Pulau Tekong," he said, referring to ongoing reclamation on the island that is close to Pengerang on Johor's south-eastern coast.

He said "I am sure Singapore followed all the rules", adding that Johor, too, had its own plans that it needed to implement.
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Old July 26th, 2015, 04:57 PM   #107
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As a Singaporean, I don't have any issues with Forest City per se, but my problem with the project is that is it even attractive to live in between what is arguably the busiest port outside China? Not to mention, Tuas is pretty polluted.
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Old July 26th, 2015, 06:21 PM   #108
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Bro take another look at the Malaysian Map especially that part!Never mind they can knock them self silly reclaiming that part but beyond that towards Kukup its almost open sea toward the straits of Melaka and the straits of Singapore.If the Singaporeans can actually create a Mega Port out of nothing why cant we?That area can be the biggest open bay for ships to drop anchor.Lets give the Singaporeans a run for the money what they can offer we can do better and cheaper .That corner of the straits of Melaka is just so strategic .May be we just so blind to realize it all these years!
I guess building a port is hard work . u sunk in a lot of capital then compete not only with an efficiently run PSA but PTP as well, so it's risky, building home on the other hand is simple, just sold it to those so called flippers, investors, what ever and let them take the risk on whatever should happen.

the benelac land reclamation isn't approved by the federal government yet, but it basically the same thing, reclaimed a land, called it a maritime industrial something when in fact it just a conned to get investors buying the reclaimed land at Super inflated profit so they could absorbed the risk and maybe sell it to someone who would actually buy it to build a factory.

personally, I have no ideas why they doing it. if it were me, and all I'm interested in short term profit as well as to provide constant income to my clan, I will actually lease it to the singaporean to extend their mega port rather than playing property speculation.
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Old July 27th, 2015, 06:17 AM   #109
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I think we're really more concern about PTP expansion in future. Recently, PTP is not fully completed yet according to master plan. Absolutely right building a mega port is not easy as Tuas mega port with the present anchor at Pasir Panjang and Tanjung Pagar. Because they just move all the ports into one. But once port expansion is limited like Pasir Gudang in 1995, we may need to build another port far away again, possibly Tanjung Piai.

IMO, difficult to judge Forest City because it's not similar to Danga Bay or even JB. I'm more interested to know how this Malaysia's biggest duty-free zone will benefit Johor instead of luxury residential area in this man-made islands, leveraging on its proximity to Singapore. Can Johor's GDP surpass Klang Valley by this RM600 billion project? What can we expect from Forest City?
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Old July 27th, 2015, 09:27 AM   #110
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Perhaps one motivation behind Forest City over PTP expansion is the development of the ultra large container vessel series. With their large sizes, higher capacities and longer ranges, it is slowly erroding the role of transhipment ports. For example, even when taken together, PTP-SG-Klang-Tanjong Priok growth lags behind China-Europe traffic numbers, indicating that ships are bypassing ports. Therefore, property seems like an easier revenue source than shipping, with the risk to the state lesser since all they need to do is sell land.

Johor's GDP will certainly exceed Klang Valley, but it's riding on a thriving construction sector - not wrong, especially in times of recession, construction helps spur economic development. How it sustains afterward, and not suffer the property bubble burst of Bangkok in the late 1990s, is the real challenge.
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Old August 10th, 2015, 04:45 PM   #111
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Forest City project description by Country Garden Pacificview

Strategically located near the geographic and economic centers of Southeast Asia, Forest City is ideally positioned as a new global cluster of commerce and culture. Designed to foster a live/work lifestyle, it is comprised of financial institutions, high-tech research and development facilities, headquarters offices, and a variety of creative industries that establish an innovative and sustainable employment base for the region. The development's mixed-use approach to city building also makes Forest City an ideal destination for a new generation that seeks to live in a compact and walkable metropolis attracting a variety of civic, cultural, and recreational amenities set within a lush, tropical landscape with unparalleled ocean views. Residents and visitors are also efficiently connected to the larger region. Multiple forms of public transportation - including a light rail transit system and extensive ferry network that links to anticipated extensions of Singapore's MRT and to Malaysia's planned high-speed rail line to Kuala Lumpur - connect Forest City to the world.

One of the most significant features of Forest City is the symbiotic relationship between development and the natural environment. At the center of the four islands lies the Seagrass Preserve – an ecological feature of the region that celebrates Forest City's commitment to embracing and enhancing the environment. This special preserve is the visual focus of Forest City, providing a distinct identity for the surrounding mixed-use hubs. The iconic towers of the development's central business districts and residential neighborhoods overlook this marine landscape, while a contiguous network of waterfront parks offer opportunities to learn about Forest City's unique ecosystem. Equally as important to the health of the marine ecosystem at Forest City is the establishment of a restored mangrove system which encircles the four islands. These mangroves provide essential habitat and help to improve overall water quality in the region. Beyond the mangroves, a diverse variety of waterfront experiences are designed to foster interaction between people and nature. The edges are designed to mimic naturally occurring features of Malaysia's coastal ecosystems, including tidal pools and shallow bays that provide critical marine habitat and support regional fisheries.

In addition to the extensive ground-level parks and waterfront trail system, Forest City offers a new paradigm for the public realm located on the top level of the infrastructure podium, linking the entire development in a pedestrian-centric rooftop network of interconnected parks and gardens. This approach establishes a publically accessible landscape as a continuous urban podium and is a defining element of Forest City, creating the world's largest green roof system. Beyond a simple rooftop landscape, the podium parks provide native habitat zones, filter and cleanse stormwater, and provide recreational opportunities in an entirely automobile-free public realm.

Forest City's success, as with any global center, relies on its ability to efficiently establish a highly efficient transportation system with clusters of development adjacent to public transit to promote a compact and walkable urban environment. This innovative transportation network is interconnected with a multi-layered approach, integrating vehicular roadways, car parks, a light rail transit system, and pedestrian public realm. Designed to prioritize pedestrian connections, infrastructure related to vehicular traffic is located at the ground level, while a contiguous system of public space forms a new public realm adjacent to transit stations on the top level of the infrastructure podium. Throughout each island, density and civic uses are organized around these transit centers, ensuring that the majority of Forest City's future population will live within a 5 to 10 minute walk of public transportation.
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Old August 10th, 2015, 05:23 PM   #113
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Old August 11th, 2015, 06:21 AM   #114
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Wow. I hope it will be real. What is the starting price for the residential unit here?
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Old August 11th, 2015, 08:21 AM   #115
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the main island reminds me of Manhattan
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Old August 11th, 2015, 11:41 AM   #116
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11/8/15, TMR

Celcom Axiata Bhd has been appointed as the preferred service provider candidate for a long-term network communications and infrastructure collaboration for the Forest City project in Johor. It signed a memorandum of understanding with Country Garden Pacificview Sdn Bhd and Huawei Technologies (M) Sdn Bhd to jointly explore how to build and operate Forest City as a smarter and safer city. The proposed city project will be a mixed development project comprising residential and commercial properties on four reclaimed islands in Iskandar, Johor Baru.
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Old August 19th, 2015, 10:41 AM   #117
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JOHOR BARU — Since restarting reclamation work at the controversial Forest City development in Johor Baru in March after an eight-month hiatus over environmental concerns, readings from monitoring equipment have shown no environmental anomalies, said developer Country Garden Pacificview (CGPV) yesterday.

Meanwhile, a double silt curtain has been installed to minimise the possibility of transboundary pollution affecting Singapore, CGPV said.

Speaking to TODAY in an interview, CGPV executive director Othman Yusof defended the massive reclamation project, saying that initial criticism had arisen from a lack of information and public awareness.

“All the mitigation undertaken (in the development) is very strictly monitored by the Department of Environment (DOE),” he said. “There are 15 sites for water monitoring, where samples are analysed daily and their results submitted to the DOE.”

Mr Othman said all water samples were within the ambient standard, meaning that the samples did not contain more than the maximum amount of pollutants allowed.

“We are quite confident because the quality of the sand that we use for the reclamation is very good,” he said, adding that the sand contains high amounts of nutrients that will benefit the ecology and increase marine life in the area.

Mr Othman also highlighted that CGPV had constructed a double silt curtain that minimises chances of exporting pollutants to Singapore. The double layer construction ensures that if one of the curtains break down, a backup is in place.

The pollutant readings have not been released publicly. But Mr Othman said that if the Singapore authorities want the results so as to better understand the situation, they could approach the DOE.

Reclamation work was put on hold from June last year to March this year following concerns from locals, some of whom fish in the nearby waters for a living. As the project area contained an abundance of seagrass, there were also concerns about possible damage to its marine ecology.

Singapore had also requested from Malaysia all relevant information on reclamation projects in the Straits of Johor, including the Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA) reports, in accordance with its obligations under international law and, in particular, under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.

CGPV was allowed to proceed after conducting a detailed hydraulic study to ensure that water flow to the seagrass would not be disrupted, as well as an EIA. The mixed land-use development was downsized from 1,978ha to 1,386ha, and the design changed from one large island to four smaller ones in order to minimise disturbances to the marine environment.

“We wanted a symbiotic relationship with nature. Once we knew about the seagrass, we knew we had to preserve it,” stressed Mr Othman, adding that the developer had conducted 20 simulation runs of the hydraulics before finalising the modified design of the development.

When asked to comment on the criticisms levelled against the Forest City project, Mr Othman said he felt they were unfair. “Because of lack of information, people came up with their own perceptions of the project.”

He also clarified that the waters adjacent to Forest City were not fishing grounds as initially believed, as they are too shallow.

He explained that due to the sensitive nature of the business information, CGPV could not afford to be completely transparent. “Not all the information can be shared with the public. Maybe that has caused some uneasy feelings,” he said.

“If you look at the project here, it is not just us who started the reclamation. Singapore has done it, especially on the Tuas side, with the heavy industries,” said Mr Othman.

“The spillover effects of the project will also be enjoyed by Singapore. I don’t see this as competing with Singapore, but more of a complement for Malaysia and Singapore.”
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Old August 20th, 2015, 06:41 PM   #118
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No environmental impact? Hmmmmm

http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-...n-work-farmers

http://the-earth-story.com/post/1131...fish-deaths-in

We are killing the environment that's for sure. Reducing the amount of established habitat for marine life near the coast, silting the sea/river beds, encouraging plankton blooms, removing mangrove swamps, etc, no wonder there are so much fish death happening. I've never heard of mass fish death at the Straits growing up.
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Old August 21st, 2015, 04:03 AM   #119
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I LOOOOOVE IT!!

Hope the park in the main island cuold be integrated so we can have a real manhattan vibe... surely many will flock by from both sides of the causeway try to feel what its like to be living in manhattan.
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