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Old November 15th, 2017, 09:50 AM   #1041
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I’m not sure I even liked the proposals in the first place - a bit too random, and not very attractive, Could do with a re- think before proceeding, I think.
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Old November 15th, 2017, 10:49 AM   #1042
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Pall Mall and New Chinatown were the only truly modern looking large scale projects we were getting for a while, so I was gutted when both died. The cheapo planned replacement for Pall Mall was awful in comparison.

Others like Infinity have thankfully stepped up but things like Lexington cowered to heritage considerations in terms of looking conservative for me.

I think its certain that, whoever takes either NPG scheme, they'll probably downgrade it somehow to build out at lower cost. We'll probably lose any Chinese commercial elements in NC, with retail sacrificed for more residential. I also think Jane might be in for good news in terms of a more conservative design. We've seen it before. We could be in for another Cargo building situation.
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Old November 15th, 2017, 11:04 AM   #1043
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Not once did I say I wanted anything more conservative. I just wasn’t taken with what was offered. This is your issue, not mine. I liked the Pall Mall scheme- but have no faith in cow-boys, and never have.

But I think you’re right about more residential. The existing China Town could do with some re-invigoration before we start with more shops that would likely sit empty.
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Old November 15th, 2017, 11:38 AM   #1044
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Not once did I say I wanted anything more conservative. I just wasn’t taken with what was offered. This is your issue, not mine. I liked the Pall Mall scheme- but have no faith in cow-boys, and never have.

But I think you’re right about more residential. The existing China Town could do with some re-invigoration before we start with more shops that would likely sit empty.
I wish they'd keep some retail though, to extend the feeling of town outwards and support the expansion of the Baltic. I like the idea of a continual "high-street" all the way to Cains brewery.
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Old November 15th, 2017, 11:46 AM   #1045
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Shops need people. Yes, I agree. High Street along to Upper Parly, create ribbon developments where people and services are closely linked and districts blend in to each other eventually.

Manchesters been very good at this, understanding the city and rebuilding it.
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Old November 15th, 2017, 11:47 AM   #1046
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New Chinatown | Great George Street | Mixed Use | 6-20 Storeys | Stalled

The old China town scheme was wanting in so much as there was too wide of a gap in between the taller building and the wedding house. Buildings should join up to a corner for a more sophisticated streetscape but there were too many gaps and weird looking angles in this scheme. Architects in this city desperately need lessons on the urban form. Another irritating trend in this city is for the gable end of buildings to face out into the road, it just doesn’t look right. Examples would be Falkland House on Islington, the Neptune development on Lime Street at the Skelhorne Street/station corner adjacent to the Crown Pub and unfortunately the Metalworks development facing Leeds Street.

I’m all for tall and bold in New Chinatown and hope this is the opportunity for a much improved design.

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Old November 15th, 2017, 12:48 PM   #1047
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I wish they'd keep some retail though, to extend the feeling of town outwards and support the expansion of the Baltic. I like the idea of a continual "high-street" all the way to Cains brewery.
More residential will lead to more demand for shops. The old Chinese supermarket/warehouse has now gone on Upper Duke Street, I wonder what will become of that site.

As for Nelson street - What can you can say? The Bagelry is doing well down there - relying on people passing to and from the Baltic, in the main, but so much more can and should be happening down there. ‘Old' families just sitting on their properties and doing nothing with them. Bad Feng Shui.
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Old November 15th, 2017, 01:20 PM   #1048
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The old China town scheme was wanting in so much as there was too wide of a gap in between the taller building and the wedding house. Buildings should join up to a corner for a more sophisticated streetscape but there were too many gaps and weird looking angles in this scheme. Architects in this city desperately need lessons on the urban form. Another irritating trend in this city is for the gable end of buildings to face out into the road, it just doesn’t look right. Examples would be Falkland House on Islington, the Neptune development on Lime Street at the Skelhorne Street/station corner adjacent to the Crown Pub and unfortunately the Metalworks development facing Leeds Street.

I’m all for tall and bold in New Chinatown and hope this is the opportunity for a much improved design.
Yes, far too many jagged edges and inharmonious angles - just trying too hard to be whatever.....And especially given that they’d supposedly had an expert in Feng Shui involved - in which such jarring angles would be seen as creating discordant energy.It would be great if whatever does come to pass could be designed with actual references to Chinese architecture and design.
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Old November 15th, 2017, 09:07 PM   #1049
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I wish they'd keep some retail though, to extend the feeling of town outwards and support the expansion of the Baltic. I like the idea of a continual "high-street" all the way to Cains brewery.
The new scheme being talked about does have a mix of residential and commercial apparently, how much of each I don't know but I'd guess the commercial/ retail may be reduced slightly.
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Old November 16th, 2017, 11:03 PM   #1050
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the proposed development was welcomed as a huge springboard for the whole area but aesthetically it was messy, uniconic and lacked character in fact it was worse than the previous one by urban splash from my point of view, looking forward to this third project now
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Old November 17th, 2017, 10:35 AM   #1051
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I cannot disagree more. The building would have been hugely impressive, particularly photogenic and attract visitors in its own right. It very much-loved had character, even down to the fact the whole design was built like a dragon.
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Old November 17th, 2017, 11:12 AM   #1052
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It was hopeless, and the only reason people qere prepared to put up with it is that we are desperate to see something, anything built in this city of stagnation.
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