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Old August 31st, 2017, 02:42 AM   #4001
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For example, there are 4 intermediate train stations between New St and the airport. If we removed all of those stations, we can add 2-3 more trains per hour between those stations. Obviously, those additional trains would have to terminate at the airport instead of continuing due to lack of capacity on the rail line after the airport but that's a good start since we can extend some trains terminating at New St to the airport free up some capacity at New St.

Trams would replace those missing intermediate stops although not directly. Except for Marston Green and perhaps Lea Hall, the stations on this line are in awkward locations, away from population centres.

I realise some people might not like it but it's worth it if it means double, perhaps even triple the frequency at the cost of 5-10 minutes extra travelling time.
Where's your evidence for any of this (e.g. the 2-3 additional trains)? Removing heavy rail stations because you think they don't serve population centres and that more capacity will be created doesn't cut the mustard I'm afraid. Also, how many people are going to want an extended journey time? My guess is not many.
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Old November 15th, 2017, 02:25 AM   #4002
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Trams are now running to New Street/Grand Central again after a water pipe burst on the corner of Bull Street and Corporation Street, trams were terminating at Bull Street.


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Old November 15th, 2017, 04:06 AM   #4003
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Where's your evidence for any of this (e.g. the 2-3 additional trains)? Removing heavy rail stations because you think they don't serve population centres and that more capacity will be created doesn't cut the mustard I'm afraid. Also, how many people are going to want an extended journey time? My guess is not many.
He's right. In fact the heavy rail route, with thw stations you describe, would benefit massively from four tracking all the way from Birmingham to Coventry. Perhaps even as for as the Willenhall Estate, with HST's and fast suburban trains using the mainlines and slower services using all stops on a suburban route.

Closest equivalent system I can think is from London Liverpool Street to Shenfield, Essex on the Great Eastern.
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Old November 15th, 2017, 09:51 AM   #4004
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He's right. In fact the heavy rail route, with thw stations you describe, would benefit massively from four tracking all the way from Birmingham to Coventry. Perhaps even as for as the Willenhall Estate, with HST's and fast suburban trains using the mainlines and slower services using all stops on a suburban route.

Closest equivalent system I can think is from London Liverpool Street to Shenfield, Essex on the Great Eastern.
Four-tracking all the way from Birmingham (even excluding the New Street approaches) to Birmingham Airport would be difficult and expensive. Doimg a short section (Adderley Park to Stechford, or Stechford to Lee Hall), would allow extra capacity by allowing fast trains to overtake stoppers. It's the speed differential that is sapping capacity at the moment.

Added to this, HS2 will take out some of the express demand. and the metro some of the local demand. This will ease pressure somewhat on the existing services, but will also reduce the business case for expensive four-tracking. I can see Birmingham-London expresses on this stretch going down to 2 per hour (per direction) after HS2 opens. However, I could also see Chiltern running a service from Marylebone through Leamington, Kenilworth amd Coventry to Birmingham International.
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Old November 15th, 2017, 11:55 AM   #4005
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Four-tracking all the way from Birmingham (even excluding the New Street approaches) to Birmingham Airport would be difficult and expensive.
Apparently the LMS bought land for this purpose during the 1930s. I don't know whether it was subsequently sold off or whether ownership has been inherited by Network Rail.
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Old November 21st, 2017, 05:58 AM   #4006
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Apparently the LMS bought land for this purpose during the 1930s. I don't know whether it was subsequently sold off or whether ownership has been inherited by Network Rail.
If it's Network Rail, they probably don't even know that they own it!
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Old November 22nd, 2017, 12:41 AM   #4007
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Anyone know the status of the Bilston Urban Village and Hill Top tram stops on line one? Are they just future dreams, or are they going to happen?
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Old November 22nd, 2017, 12:50 AM   #4008
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I don't think the Hill Top one is going to happen, the locals in that area are really against it for some reason.
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Old November 22nd, 2017, 12:59 AM   #4009
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Some photos of trams in Wednesbury on Sunday.

Wednesbury Parkway - got tram 31 there.



Tram 20 seen on the Birmingham bound platform



Later went to Wednesbury Great Western Street

Tram 31 was on it's way back to Priestfield.



And I got tram 20 back to Grand Central.

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Old November 30th, 2017, 07:19 PM   #4010
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Any Bidders ?

I thought they had all gone to the big scrapyard in the sky ?

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Old December 2nd, 2017, 02:11 AM   #4011
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I thought they had all gone to the big scrapyard in the sky ?

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Recyclers to turn them into homes or shalet style suites? Or some mug will by them and try to run them. Why do we not have a Transport Museum though? Birmingham has an extremely rich history of producing all kinds of vehicles for transport yet very little is preserved and exhibited.
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Old December 2nd, 2017, 01:42 PM   #4012
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Maybe the Tramway Museum in Crich, Derbyshire could buy one?



Don't think there is room in Thinktank, they already have one old tram in there!

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Old December 4th, 2017, 12:08 AM   #4013
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In the mid 90s when they were pitching for the operators of the trams Metro Cammell were still at Washwood Heath but they opted for the Neopolitan firm to supply them - apparently the wiring was akin to a plate of spaghetti
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Old December 4th, 2017, 04:02 PM   #4014
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In the mid 90s when they were pitching for the operators of the trams Metro Cammell were still at Washwood Heath but they opted for the Neopolitan firm to supply them - apparently the wiring was akin to a plate of spaghetti
Not Metro Cammell, I think it was Alstom (or Alsthom) by then. In any case, they had no history of building trams - just several generations of London Underground trains and main line trains like Pendolinos and Eurostars.

The only second generation trams built in Britain were the ones for the new system in Strasbourg built by Bombardier in Derby in the 1990s. For some reason they stopped making them (actually, the "some reason" was probably the extreme stop-start nature of the UK tram revolution).

I remember years ago some go-ahead tram types floating the idea of a no-frills, budget UK tram that would save costs by introducing a degree of standardisation across new systems, but no more was heard about it. Probably because the 17 or whatever it was supposed to be new systems promised by John Prescott when Labour first came to power in 1997 turned out to be a figment of his imagination.
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Old December 4th, 2017, 10:12 PM   #4015
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In the mid 90s when they were pitching for the operators of the trams Metro Cammell were still at Washwood Heath but they opted for the Neopolitan firm to supply them - apparently the wiring was akin to a plate of spaghetti
So bad that they took one of the trams apart and couldn't put it back together again as none of the cables were labelled nor made sense.
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