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Old December 22nd, 2016, 11:56 AM   #81
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Hands off Sefton Park you.
I was thinking more knocking down Croxteth Hall and putting some towers in, to be honest. Maybe Speke Hall. Which isn't really a hall. Just a big house.
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Old December 22nd, 2016, 12:15 PM   #82
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I'm glad all of these impact assessments have taken place before the application went in, hopefully this bodes well for it when a decision is made.
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Old December 22nd, 2016, 12:35 PM   #83
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Does the floor count include the 2 floor podium, or is it plus the podium??
New renders show 36 / 30 / 24 storeys plus 'triple height podium', floor counts are usually taken from above podium level...
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Old December 22nd, 2016, 12:39 PM   #84
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a design workshop with the council too. zero chance this being refused or shortened, imo.
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Old December 22nd, 2016, 12:47 PM   #85
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This stuff already happens with most larger developments, it hasn't stopped them being altered before permission is granted
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Old December 22nd, 2016, 02:08 PM   #86
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It's...my God. A 21st century building that....looks like one! Not a brick in sight.

Mixed use, imposing on it's neighbours. Makes it harder to reject other talls. On a big highway from the tunnel.

The city should literally have dozens of these. Everywhere.
No. As always its about the right plan for the right space. Good communication with planners. This couldn't be on Hope Street, or Water Street, it wouldn't fit. But maybe this will be the start of a whole new aspect of the city around Leeds Street. There is room for everything.
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No. As always its about the right plan for the right space. Good communication with planners. This couldn't be on Hope Street, or Water Street, it wouldn't fit. But maybe this will be the start of a whole new aspect of the city around Leeds Street. There is room for everything.

No, cities should be organic, not overly manipulated in to the narrow subjective view of a few.

The Anglican "doesn't fit", the Metropolitan Cathedral "doesn't fit" the former MDHC building at the Pier Head was deemed as unsuitable.

Yet, look at them now.
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Old December 22nd, 2016, 02:54 PM   #88
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FCH certainly do try to schmooze the planning officers too. They love bigging them up in public. All part of their drip, drip approach.
Far too cozy.
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No, cities should be organic, not overly manipulated in to the narrow subjective view of a few.

The Anglican "doesn't fit", the Metropolitan Cathedral "doesn't fit" the former MDHC building at the Pier Head was deemed as unsuitable.

Yet, look at them now.
What do you mean the Anglican doesn't fit?

Planners have a job, to plan. Not let any Tom, Dick and Harry do whatever they want.
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What do you mean the Anglican doesn't fit?
Look at what's around it

Hardly blends in with the two storey houses does it...

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Old December 22nd, 2016, 04:17 PM   #91
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What do you mean the Anglican doesn't fit?
It's a monumental Gothic revival building in an area of almost exclusively Georgian architecture. Totally out of scale, using different and incompatible materials and adhering to totally different architectural rules.
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Old December 22nd, 2016, 04:18 PM   #92
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Look at what's around it

Hardly blends in with the two storey houses does it...
In scale? It would have fit better from that perspective with the Lutyens which affected its design. It wasn't that tall when originally planned. But then the Catholic Cathedral didn't happen like it was meant to. We don't have the bookends that were planned.

I like the scale, when you consider the role of the church at the time. The way it looms over the residential area. Churches are always somehow central to areas, from villages to cities. Like we have Church Street so central that presumably led to a church although I don't know if it was St Lukes.

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How many churches are there that fit with areas though? St. Pauls maybe but only because it was rebuilt with the entire city around it. How much of medieval London is left around Westminster Abbey? Or York around the Minster? Even down on a village level, local Village churches are usually gothic, you don't get gothic farmhouses.
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Old December 22nd, 2016, 04:21 PM   #93
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I had to go back and check what thread I was in then.
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Old December 22nd, 2016, 04:52 PM   #94
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How many churches are there that fit with areas though? St. Pauls maybe but only because it was rebuilt with the entire city around it. How much of medieval London is left around Westminster Abbey? Or York around the Minster? Even down on a village level, local Village churches are usually gothic, you don't get gothic farmhouses.
..and if you insist on architecture that is in keeping with it's surroundings, in scale and design, you don't get any cathedrals either. The best buildings are always those that strive to stand out from their neighbours and create visual distinctions with their surroundings.
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Old December 22nd, 2016, 05:01 PM   #95
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How many churches are there that fit with areas though? St. Pauls maybe but only because it was rebuilt with the entire city around it. How much of medieval London is left around Westminster Abbey? Or York around the Minster? Even down on a village level, local Village churches are usually gothic, you don't get gothic farmhouses.
So what's wrong with a decent tower rising up anywhere behind the Port of Liverpool building?...

By all means "in keeping with the area" a development if it's of low quality, or going to ruin peoples' lives. But a blanket nay without any consideration at all, just because of a particular view?

At the same time as this sort of discussion is going on, as long as a building isn't too tall apparently "in keeping with the area" doesn't seem to come into it when we're talking about usage and long term compatability, as we see up in the Baltic. What sort of messed up "in keeping" priorities are these?
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Old December 22nd, 2016, 11:09 PM   #96
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What do you mean the Anglican doesn't fit?

Planners have a job, to plan. Not let any Tom, Dick and Harry do whatever they want.
And yet the buildings that currently stand out across Liverpool's skyline hail from a time when they clearly did just that.

I for one would rather risk the odd mistake but largely see great new landmarks than have a blanket NO to anything deemed too tall or out of place by a handful of unelected, unaccountable planners.

I genuinely think after years of the city being beaten down by one thing and another some people in Liverpool have retreated into some whimsical notion of what makes the city great and have developed an aversion to the type of thinking that makes Liverpool, it's culture and it's skyline what it is....MAKE NOISE, STAND OUT, CONTRAST and fundamentally PUT TWO FINGERS UP TO EVERYONE ELSE.

That's what Liverpool was and should be again, and it's best architecture communicates that but will never do so again if we keep on watering down and effectively gag big ideas just incase some little old disused dilapidated building might have to be knocked down to achieve it or might lose it's 'view'.
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Old December 23rd, 2016, 02:21 PM   #97
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youre an advocate of brusselization basically then?

i have a big city in the west midlands i think you'd really like....
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Somehow this completely passed me by when first announced! Nice that were now getting towers designed to look as good from the city side as from the river.
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Old December 31st, 2016, 07:25 PM   #99
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The views driving down the dock road into town will be something else in 5 years if all these proposed towers are built.
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Old December 31st, 2016, 07:45 PM   #100
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Even better when leaving the Nou Goodison Park at BMD.
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