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Old April 6th, 2017, 03:12 PM   #61
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What is it with your desire to bring Donald Trump into every conversation about politics in the UK? The closest we have to him would be Farage and not only does he have absolutely no chance of getting in a similar position, but I'd also deem him less extreme than Trump. If you want to discuss American politics, you're in the wrong place.
Sorry, didn't know it was a prerequisite to submit my posts for your vetting and editing.

By the way, why are you silent on others, Awayo etc., polluting every single thread they post in (regardless of the original subject,) with anti-Labour and Anderson threads?
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I can answer. Julie Goodyear as cultural ambassador and giant puppets.

Actually the giant puppets started under the Lib Dems, but Labour have kept them coming back.
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Old April 6th, 2017, 03:14 PM   #63
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I can answer. Julie Goodyear as cultural ambassador and giant puppets.

Actually the giant puppets started under the Lib Dems, but Labour have kept them coming back.
And as if on Q.
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Old April 6th, 2017, 03:20 PM   #64
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By the way, why are you silent on others, Awayo etc., polluting every single thread they post in (regardless of the original subject,) with anti-Labour and Anderson threads?
Because that is somewhat relevant, whereas you're constantly trying to compare UK politics to American politics. And the truth is, its of no relevance as they differ greatly.
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Old April 6th, 2017, 03:24 PM   #65
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Because that is somewhat relevant, whereas you're constantly trying to compare UK politics to American politics. And the truth is, its of no relevance as they differ greatly.
Maybe not in your bailiwick yet but "Trumpism" has become a universal euphemism for "Lying". Should I have used "Cameronism"?
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Old April 6th, 2017, 03:28 PM   #66
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"Trumpism" has become a universal euphemism for "Lying".
Hardly, the only individual I have ever seen use it is would be yourself. I highly recommend you find a forum to discuss American politics, as it is something you are clearly interested in.
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By the way, why are you silent on others, Awayo etc., polluting every single thread they post in (regardless of the original subject,) with anti-Labour and Anderson threads?
As someone who has written many an innocuous post on various topics, only to be screamed down online by someone claiming some kind of hatred for the man lies beneath all I do, I would surmise that maybe he just doesn't see the same things in what people write versus what you claim to...

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Sorry, didn't know it was a prerequisite to submit my posts for your vetting and editing.
I'm sure it isn't. But given your typically hysterical responses to any whiff of political "dissent", and the inevitable misrepresentation and mud slinging that ensues, I feel that one could be mistaken for thinking that you do expect others to submit to you, however.
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Hardly, the only individual I have ever seen use it is would be yourself. I highly recommend you find a forum to discuss American politics, as it is something you are clearly interested in.
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???? I don't recall posting anything about Spain.
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Old April 6th, 2017, 05:31 PM   #70
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Hardly, the only individual I have ever seen use it is would be yourself.
Like I said, it hasn't arrived in your bailiwick.

I used a euphemism, you have been unable, try as you might, to legitimately link that with a discussion of American politics so, have, Trump like, obfuscated and deflected from the original discussion.
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Like I said, it hasn't arrived in your bailiwick.

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You must live in a Bailiwick of 1, because its not arrived anywhere, as this isnt the US, and US politics and UK politics are very different beasts.
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You must live in a Bailiwick of 1, because its not arrived anywhere, as this isnt the US, and US politics and UK politics are very different beasts.
Like I said, I used a euphemism, I didn't know it would give you the opportunity to take the thread off topic. I apologise for affording you, and of me participating in that opportunity of taking the thread off-topic.
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Old April 6th, 2017, 06:03 PM   #73
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It's during debates like this when I feel that I have entered a parallel universe.

'Tough, capable and articulate'? She is an irritating, talentless stooge who was put into a politically toxic role to help protect that odious hypocrite Duncan Shit. Given her obvious enthusiasm in that role for making difficult lives more difficult, I can't really see her having made life any better for Liverpool's people.

And she wasn't hounded or abused out of politics. She was voted out, having become a particularly unpopular representative of what is (rightly) a stunningly unpopular party in this part of the world.

The last time a Tory did anything for this area, he was called Heseltine, and even that was, if not a drop in the ocean of misery his party imposed, then a pretty small cupful.

She was subject to a nasty, personal and vitriolic campaign, that was very ugly to witness.

I’ve had dealings with her in the past when I was trying to get my own small business started, and she was very supportive; and of the local business community generally. She’s smart, intelligent & with local ties and connections, and quite varied experience.
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Old April 6th, 2017, 06:10 PM   #74
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Where can I find a job description for the Regional Mayor or, is anyone on this thread able to outline the duties and powers of the office?
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She was subject to a nasty, personal and vitriolic campaign, that was very ugly to witness.

I’ve had dealings with her in the past when I was trying to get my own small business started, and she was very supportive; and of the local business community generally. She’s smart, intelligent & with local ties and connections, and quite varied experience.

I know someone who knows Farage. According to my friend, Nige is extremely personable and has a deep and personal interest in the experiences of the ordinary soldier during World War I. None of which comes across in his public persona.

So I will have to defer to your positive personal experiences of McVey, but I didn't see any of that come across during her tenure as an MP or government minister. And how was the campaign against her any nastier or more vitriolic than campaigning generally is these days? I saw her numerous times being pretty nasty and vitiriolic about her political opponents. This is before we get on to the nasty and vitriolic policies she was involved in promoting, most of them directed at people a hell of a lot less able to look after themselves than she is.

No-one forced her to become a government minister, and neither she nor anyone else should be gurning if she didn't win any popularity contests for taking the job on. If I may resort to my native vernacular for a minute, 'harden her'.
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I know someone who knows Farage. According to my friend, Nige is extremely personable and has a deep and personal interest in the experiences of the ordinary soldier during World War I. None of which comes across in his public persona.

So I will have to defer to your positive personal experiences of McVey, but I didn't see any of that come across during her tenure as an MP or government minister. And how was the campaign against her any nastier or more vitriolic than campaigning generally is these days? I saw her numerous times being pretty nasty and vitiriolic about her political opponents. This is before we get on to the nasty and vitriolic policies she was involved in promoting, most of them directed at people a hell of a lot less able to look after themselves than she is.

No-one forced her to become a government minister, and neither she nor anyone else should be gurning if she didn't win any popularity contests for taking the job on. If I may resort to my native vernacular for a minute, 'harden her'.
I certainly never saw or heard her abusively name-calling anyone, or calling for them to be burnt at the stake. The targeting of her had a pretty nasty misogynistic tone. A lot of the old hard left types could do with some equalities training. I met a young woman once( outside the Labour party conference at The Echo Arena); a new recruit to the Socialist Workers Party. Apparently she was having to give them sessions on being conscious of misogynistic and sexist attitudes and behaviours. I thought she was wasting her time. They probably just fancied her.
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They probably just fancied her.
Probably true. I well remember (many years ago) joining an organisation which, under normal circumstances, would be anathema to me. And all because of me being infatuated by a female member of the group. For those who, if any, may be interested, my crush was all in vain.
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Now, earlier on, when I referred to her boss as 'Duncan Shit', you didn't object. Why not?

No doubt misogyny can creep (and more than creep) into these things. It is disingenuous to pretend, however, that that is what motivated most people's dislike of McVey. And it does victims of actual sexism no good when people like her, who arw well able to fight their own corners, try to deflect legitimate criticism by dismissing it as misogynist.

Perhaps they were more upset by her behaviour in the media, defending spiteful Tory policies and behaving in a high-handed and evasive way with any who challenges her. Not that that sort of thing is a feature of just female politicians, or just Tory ones. John McDonnell's presentation in interviews is similar.
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Where can I find a job description for the Regional Mayor or, is anyone on this thread able to outline the duties and powers of the office?
The Liverpool City Region Combined Authority (Functions and Amendment) Order 2017 grants the Liverpool mayor the following powers.

* Exercise planning functions equivalent to the Mayor of London the ability to call in planning applications of strategic importance defined as meeting one or more of the following conditions; more than 500 homes, a development of an area greater than 10 hectares, more than 30,000 sqm office/housing floor space, taller than 30m, mines greater than 10 hectares, processing of more than 50,000 tonnes per year of waste, any piece of transport infrastructure larger than a bus shelter.
* Produce and adopt a local transport plan subject to first consulting the other members of the combined authority.
* Ability to designate a Mayoral Development Area subject to the unanimous agreement of all the other members.
* Production of a Spatial Development strategy subject to a unanimous vote of the members.
* Ability to co-ordinate and direct any other existing combined authority power subject to a 2/3 majority vote, assignment of cabinet portfolios to authority members.

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The Liverpool City Region Combined Authority (Functions and Amendment) Order 2017 grants the Liverpool mayor the following powers.

* Exercise planning functions equivalent to the Mayor of London the ability to call in planning applications of strategic importance defined as meeting one or more of the following conditions; more than 500 homes, a development of an area greater than 10 hectares, more than 30,000 sqm office/housing floor space, taller than 30m, mines greater than 10 hectares, processing of more than 50,000 tonnes per year of waste, any piece of transport infrastructure larger than a bus shelter.
* Produce and adopt a local transport plan subject to first consulting the other members of the combined authority.
* Ability to designate a Mayoral Development Area subject to the unanimous agreement of all the other members.
* Production of a Spatial Development strategy subject to a unanimous vote of the members.
* Ability to co-ordinate and direct any other existing combined authority power subject to a 2/3 majority vote, assignment of cabinet portfolios to assembly members.
Thanks Watcher; So, unless he has a partisan, compliant cabinet, it's mostly an advisor, on steroids, position.
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