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Old November 17th, 2017, 02:33 PM   #12401
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Negative name drop again?


The degrees that make you rich... and the ones that don'thttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-41693230
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Old November 17th, 2017, 06:36 PM   #12402
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It simply because UoL i the lowest of the Russel Group in that regard. Mind you half of the group are indistinguishably close.
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Old November 17th, 2017, 09:36 PM   #12403
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minister sajid javid, housing and liverpool city council

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Old November 17th, 2017, 11:28 PM   #12404
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I note 'Film Stars Don't Die in Liverpool', has sponsorship credits around a number of programmes on the CBS Reality channel.

Elsewhere, Channel 5 is marking Sir Ken Dodd's 90th -

Happy 90th: Ken Dodd in His Own Words
9:00pm Sunday 19th November

Happy 90th: Another Audience with Ken Dodd
11:05pm Sunday 19th November
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Old November 19th, 2017, 12:23 AM   #12405
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He was a towering political figure who was prime minister four times and a leading education reformer, but William Gladstone is no longer deemed fit to have a university halls of residence named after him in his home city.

A campaign by students at the University of Liverpool says that Gladstone, who was also a supporter of Irish home rule, did not fully support the abolition of slavery and his father’s money came from the slave trade.

The Roscoe and Gladstone Building is being demolished for redevelopment and the students say that Gladstone and his “racially marred legacy” should be removed when it is reopened in favour of the “more worthy” Jon Snow, the journalist and Channel 4 news anchor. Carol Ann Duffy, the poet laureate and also an alumna of the university, has also been recommended. More than 50 students have signed a petition on the Liverpool Guild of Students’ website, passing the 20 votes needed for the suggestion to be debated. If passed, the guild will discuss the matter with the university and the idea could be adopted as a campaign by the body, which represents 21,000 students.

It follows a similar campaign in Oxford to demand a statue of Cecil Rhodes, the Victorian mining magnate, be removed from Oriel College. Gladstone’s views on slavery and the slave trade have received little attention from historians. His views echoed those of his father who was one of the largest slave owners in the British West Indies. He used his maiden speech to the Commons in 1833 to defend the interests of the West Indian slave-owning plantation. As leader of the Liberal Party, Gladstone, unlike his colleagues, showed no enthusiasm for an anti-slavery crusade in Africa. He also helped his father to calculate compensation due to the family after abolition. Alisha Raithatha, a veterinary medicine undergraduate from Birmingham, is behind the campaign.

“Someone with this background should not have a university hall named after them especially in a city where we try hard not to forget the atrocities that took place on our docks,” she wrote. “As former residents of the halls we were horrified to find out we had been living in a building named after such a figure for a whole year without even realising.”

William Roscoe was a leading abolitionist who did not see eye to eye with Gladstone, and their names should not be side by side on the building, she said. Another suggestion is to name the new building simply the Roscoe Building.

Liverpool dominated the transatlantic slave trade in the 1700s, its ships transporting half of the three million Africans carried across the ocean by slavers. Penny Lane, made famous by the Beatles, was named after James Penny, a slave trader.

Sean Turner, president of Liverpool Guild of Students, said: “A student made a suggestion that the guild should lobby the university to change the name of the Roscoe and Gladstone Halls of Residence. It will be discussed at a meeting of 50 randomly selected and demographically representative students [who] will discuss the idea and come to a consensus on what action, if any, should be taken.”

Seems our own snowflake generation of students are not immune to this stupidity

I suppose it's not quite as daft when the halls are actually being replaced, but still, if these people.want to get outraged about something, how about getting outraged about the current state of the country, rather than something which, horrific as it was, happened 200 years ago?
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Old November 19th, 2017, 05:19 PM   #12406
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I suppose it's not quite as daft when the halls are actually being replaced, but still, if these people.want to get outraged about something, how about getting outraged about the current state of the country, rather than something which, horrific as it was, happened 200 years ago?
Like they say; "Different strokes". I have no problem with "these people" getting "outraged" at their school not wanting to name their halls after Gladstone. No different than African American's in the Southern States not whishing to have monuments glorifying those who fought to keep the institutions which would have kept them in human bondage in prominent places in their communities.

Gladstone was a very powerful man, political leader of the greatest empire the world has ever witnessed and as such had the power to ban slavery in that empire, and didn't. In fact his silence and inactivity on the matter could only have helped fortunes of his friends and neighbours. Remembering Liverpool merchants, his neighbours, where the most successful slavers in the world.
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Old November 19th, 2017, 09:47 PM   #12407
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True Bogeyana but where do we stop airbrushing history? 18th and 19h century Britain was a brutal place for just about everyone. Even a hundred years ago life was so cheap that British soldiers could be ordered to march slowly to death in a hail of bullets.

Liverpool traders, whilst successful relied on transporting slaves for only one third of 'triangle' of trade, albeit a lucrative one. And what of the African traders who also could have stopped the trade at any time? Have their future generations apologised or torn down monuments? Have they even tried to prevent modern slavery?
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Old November 19th, 2017, 10:00 PM   #12408
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Old November 19th, 2017, 10:16 PM   #12409
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Gladstone was a very powerful man, political leader of the greatest empire the world has ever witnessed and as such had the power to ban slavery in that empire, and didn't. In fact his silence and inactivity on the matter could only have helped fortunes of his friends and neighbours. Remembering Liverpool merchants, his neighbours, where the most successful slavers in the world.
Gladstone first became Prime Minister in 1868, thirty-five years after slavery had been abolished in the British Empire!
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Old November 19th, 2017, 10:27 PM   #12410
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True Bogeyana but where do we stop airbrushing history?
I am not advocating "air brushing history" I am though advocating we stop honouring the dishonourable.
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And what of the African traders who also could have stopped the trade at any time? Have their future generations apologised or torn down monuments? Have they even tried to prevent modern slavery?
They (African traders,) are not the purview of the students of Liverpool University, nor are they mine. As for your other questions, forgive me if I find them argumentative. However, and a little closer to home; didn't some people in the Irish capital take it upon themselves to remove the monument to an Admiral of their one time colonial masters from a prominent place in Dublin.

In this, the twenty-first century surely it is permissible for people not to want to honour those who don't deserve to be honoured, for whatever reason.

PS: The Mi'maq First Nation on Canada's east coast are now protesting the statue of British General Edward Cornwallis, who put a monetary bounty on the heads of those natives when he was the British commander of the area.

Not altogether on topic but just heard that president trump has just announced, via Twitter, that because the father of one of those UCLA students, LaVar Ball, arrested for shoplifting in China doesn't think Trump did anything that any other US president wouldn't have done, he, Trump, said he should have left them to rot in a Chinese prison. It is also interesting to note that all three UCLA students where African American.
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Old November 19th, 2017, 10:33 PM   #12411
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And was an MP for one year when it was abolished.
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Old November 20th, 2017, 01:02 AM   #12412
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Something that often gets forgotten - and which I learned myself only when visiting the museum of slavery in Liverpool- was that the main job of the Royal Navy for most of the 19th century after the abolition of slavery in 1817 was to patrol the Atlantic to stop the slaving ships going over to the US and Brazil. Of course we can't ignore our ignomous past with regards to it, but that fact, and the fact that until the 20th century the slave trade to Arabia was alive and well, is so overlooked.
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Old November 20th, 2017, 04:22 PM   #12413
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I am not advocating "air brushing history" I am though advocating we stop honouring the dishonourable.They (African traders,) are not the purview of the students of Liverpool University, nor are they mine. As for your other questions, forgive me if I find them argumentative. However, and a little closer to home; didn't some people in the Irish capital take it upon themselves to remove the monument to an Admiral of their one time colonial masters from a prominent place in Dublin.

In this, the twenty-first century surely it is permissible for people not to want to honour those who don't deserve to be honoured, for whatever reason.

PS: The Mi'maq First Nation on Canada's east coast are now protesting the statue of British General Edward Cornwallis, who put a monetary bounty on the heads of those natives when he was the British commander of the area.

Not altogether on topic but just heard that president trump has just announced, via Twitter, that because the father of one of those UCLA students, LaVar Ball, arrested for shoplifting in China doesn't think Trump did anything that any other US president wouldn't have done, he, Trump, said he should have left them to rot in a Chinese prison. It is also interesting to note that all three UCLA students where African American.
Perhaps before they start racing Gladstone's name from history they ought to at least debate whether he has indeed been dishonourable in the context of late 18th-century Britain.
This is markedly different from the African Americans in southern states you mentioned, wishing to remove statues that are held as emblems of white supremacy. Gladstone has never been held in such regard.
As for African traders not being the purview of students? Perhaps when besmirching the reputation of a four times prime minister of this country, a more balanced view of the situation is required to ensure the baby does not get thrown out with the bathwater.
Quite what the spat between Donald Trump and the father of a jailed shoplifter have to do with this, I can only guess.
And don't give me that passive aggressive nonsense about finding other points argumentative. You are one of the most argumentative people on this forum!
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Old November 21st, 2017, 10:19 PM   #12414
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Old November 23rd, 2017, 08:51 PM   #12415
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The signing of the 200 year "peppercorn" lease between Everton Football Club and Peel Ports made the Washington Post today.
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Old November 23rd, 2017, 11:14 PM   #12416
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Any online links to that, Bogey?
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Any online links to that, Bogey?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...62a_story.html
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Old November 25th, 2017, 07:41 PM   #12419
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New channel 4 advert, junction of Cecil Street and Cardigan Street Wavertree.

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Looked to be a very cool evening in Liverpool. Mo Salah would be cheap at twice the price. Very enjoyable game.
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