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Old September 2nd, 2008, 11:05 PM   #61
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Central docks are a World Heritage Site and will be not be a shed warehouse preparing food. That will be done elsewhere.

Only a fools destroy such natural assets.
Were, in my post, did I claim Scousers were smart? Picky bastards maybe but smart? Never.
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Old September 4th, 2008, 01:30 PM   #62
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Were, in my post, did I claim Scousers were smart? Picky bastards maybe but smart? Never.
Well said Slyne - like your subtle humour. Nothing from Angie (see before) just yet, but she's "away from the desk" so maybe next week. Does anyone have details of the Peel proposal, i.e. content, timescale? And does that mean that the CLF IS NO MORE THAN an expensive berth?
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Old September 4th, 2008, 05:23 PM   #63
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Does anyone have details of the Peel proposal, i.e. content, timescale? And does that mean that the CLF IS NO MORE THAN an expensive berth?
Yes, the CLF is that and, just that, a berth for visiting cruise ships. Remember that even attracting cruise ships for visits is an accomplishment, especially when you consider the competition on the Irish and Celtic Seas. Avonmouth, Cardiff, Hollyhead, Cork/Cobh, Dublin, Belfast, Barrow (proximity to the lake District) and a number of Scottish ports.

As for a timeline concerning the proposed "Cruise Terminal"? There are a number of issues that need to be resolved before any work can start, not the least being an application for a 'Harbour Revision Order' succeeding. Then a campaign to attract cruise companies to base ships in the port and this needs research into potential customers. However, the Port of Liverpool catchment area is very extensive and, with having a local airport, almost limitless. The latter is one of the reasons Barcelona is such a successful cruise terminal but Civitavecchia isn't. Passengers embarking/disembarking from a ship at the Port of Barcelona can go directly to the local airport whereas those passenger arriving/departing at the Port of Civitavecchia have quite a long journey to a Rome airport and will usually arrive after most trans-ocean flights have departed necessitating an overnight stay in a hotel which, of course, adds to the cost of the vacation for passengers. Also, Barcelona has the infrastructure to cater to the needs of cruise ships, i.e. provisioning, kitchen and commissary facillties. So the Port of Liverpool will need, not only to attract cruise lines but also those companies that service that industry. But Liverpool does have most of the infrastructure in place and, I'm sure, is in the process of attracting the other supporting industries.
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Old September 5th, 2008, 04:32 PM   #64
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Old September 5th, 2008, 06:52 PM   #65
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Arrow HMS Albion, tied up this morning..............

What a grey day to shoot a grey ship, the weather today was dreadful, so congratulations on a couple of great shots Kenny, and thanks pal for posting before me...................







HMS Manchester is due in port next week, lets hope for a bit of sun
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Old September 5th, 2008, 10:21 PM   #66
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Post Archive up-dated......................

HMS Albion has been added to the archive , see POST ONE
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Old September 5th, 2008, 10:29 PM   #67
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woody whens the Manchester due in? also today i never realised how difficult it was to hold a DSLR and an umbrella at the same time and try to get a decent pic, them 'mersey squalls' where vicious today
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Old September 5th, 2008, 10:47 PM   #68
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Talking Yes, we are mad, but who cares...........

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woody whens the Manchester due in? also today i never realised how difficult it was to hold a DSLR and an umbrella at the same time and try to get a decent pic, them 'mersey squalls' where vicious today
kenny, according to the DP HMS Manchester will be open to the public next Sat & Sun, so I would think she will arrive next Friday. It was "hell" out there today I was soaked at Kings so I drove around to Princes , jumped out of the car twice, having taken 5 shots in about 10 seconds of Albion, and then dashed back to Manchester for a bath and dry clothes.

PS: HMS Albion will be open to the public on Sunday.
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Old September 6th, 2008, 12:00 AM   #69
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I was just at Salthouse when a squall went through and I very nearly did a Mary Poppins impression with my umbrella and disappeared into Duke's.
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Old September 7th, 2008, 12:20 AM   #70
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Old September 7th, 2008, 02:03 AM   #71
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Nice photo Kenny.

Does anyone have any idea how many people visited this today? I know there were a lot of people in town (understatement I know), but I wonder whether people may have been more interested in the spider than this?
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Old September 7th, 2008, 02:18 AM   #72
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I'm sure i saw a board near the Pier Head saying "public viewing Sunday".....!

or was it Private...

Yes great night shot as allways Kenny.
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DP&E said Saturday, but then I suppose it could be both days, or they changed it to tomorrow so it isn't over-shadowed in the daytime by the spider.
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Everything I can find point to HMS Albion being open on Sunday from 1 - 3:30pm.
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It said Sunday only from 1.00 - 4.00 on notices around Princes Parade.
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Kenny, super night shot ,thanks
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Old September 8th, 2008, 05:10 PM   #77
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The on-line Daily Post are reporting that another cruise line has chosen to operate cruises from Liverpool. It is Thompson Cruises and they will be using the Thompson Celebration, ex HAL cruise ship Noordam, for the winter series of cruises from the port.http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/...4375-21702622/
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With three cruise lines choosing Liverpool as a base it is now clear (to me) why all the activity (new build/refurbish/renovate) in the hotel sector. I believe that this is just the beginning of the renaissance of the Port of Liverpool as a cruise departure/arrival point and cruise passengers, foreign and, to a lesser extent, domestic, need hotel space pre and post cruise. The fact that three cruise lines are already operating will give impetus to the cruise service industry to locate facilities within the port and local area. The airport is bound to benefit from the influx of cruise clients arriving and departing, by air, from foreign climes. However! the port will need an in-river terminal in order to attract the bigger ships of the Princess, Royal Caribbean, Carnival, HAL, Costa and Norwegian fleets. I bet it (the in-river terminal) is not to far in the future.
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[QUOTE=sloyne;24902398]Yes, the CLF is that and, just that, a berth for visiting cruise ships. Remember that even attracting cruise ships for visits is an accomplishment, especially when you consider the competition ...

Thanks Sloyne, your thoughts are welcome, but what a waste of cash the CLF threatens to be!btw No reply from Angie just yet; perhaps she read the email and shook her head...
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what a waste of cash the CLF threatens to be...
Not really, a CLF and a CLT are two different things, the "Facility" enabled pax to alight and embark at a fixed mooring which is almost as stable as stepping onto Terra Firma. A Cruise Liner "Terminal" is a base where cruise ships can accept pax, baggage and stores and where the local authority can process, for customs, immigration and security purposes, foreign nationals. Imagine, if you will, a ship the size of the Grand Princess, docking at the present CLF, disgorging 3,000 pax and their baggage, landing all the garbage collected on a fourteen day cruise, loading all the supplies (beer/wine/liquor/photo supplies, artwork for the auctions, spare parts for engines, casino's etc., then 3,000 pax and their baggage waiting to board by noon. The CLF just couldn't handle it.

The CLF gives Liverpool a much needed edge over it's Irish and Celtic Sea competition and even then the port will have to stay one, if not two, steps ahead of Dublin (a national capitol) Belfast, Avonmouth and even Barrow if it want's to remain in the van of cruise visit ports. Every passenger who would stay aboard if having to tender ashore and who now walks ashore is one more passenger spending money in Liverpool and his dollars help grow the local tourist sector and the economy as a whole. I also believe that the CLF will pay for it's self many times over.
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