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Old April 18th, 2012, 08:25 PM   #81
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Gr8 trams pics da fista...
I personally believe that there should be a separate thread for Trams....
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Old May 17th, 2012, 10:15 PM   #82
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Ma Sarada metro station will be opened soon. It will be first northern metro station of Damdam, will be at Noaparha. Opening of this station will not be much tough, because, it will be in the Noaparha depot area, where will be no question of further land acquisition. In future, it will be an interchange station between line 1 & 4, and separate up & down line of line 4 (due to space problem of between Ma Sarada & Jaihind). I don’t know whether it will be opened before 31/12/12 or not.

Due to lack of passenger in early morning, mid day & late night, Tram Company is now thinkingg introduce single coach tram from 4 to 8, 12 to 16 and 20 to 24. I welcome this idea, because it will be cost saving. Many cities around the world runs single coach tram, including Toshkent, Rio de Janeiro, Sapporo, Tokyo etc. It will be served by only one ticket collector.
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But the great shame is using the ugly iron route board, destpite the modern tram has present LED route board. when will the mentality change?
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Old May 17th, 2012, 10:35 PM   #84
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but you have to admit, this one looks good on road
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Old May 17th, 2012, 11:23 PM   #85
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Before 2016, all metrocars & tramcars of Kolkata will be converted to air-conditioned rakes, mostly by new stocks, partly by converting from old stocks.
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Before 2016, all metrocars & tramcars of Kolkata will be converted to air-conditioned rakes, mostly by new stocks, partly by converting from old stocks.
By new stock, are we referring to really new rakes like this? Not sure if CTC has the cash to buy these:




Companies like Jessop can actually try building modern trams with AC.

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Old June 25th, 2012, 12:44 AM   #88
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Trams are never feasible in a crowded indian city...
Just get rid of them

Instead, have elevated LRTS.....
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Old June 26th, 2012, 06:57 PM   #89
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By new stock, are we referring to really new rakes like this? Not sure if CTC has the cash to buy these:

Companies like Jessop can actually try building modern trams with AC.
the best model for a city like Kolkata is the Tatra T3 that is in use in cities like Prague and Vienna :

[IMG]http://i50.************/296kb9w.jpg[/IMG]

the Tatra T3 is aesthetic and is very very well designed for robust use. nyaka nyaka futuristic low floor trams do not go well with our city. they look like a misfit.

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But they are white and blue
here's a blue Tatra T3 in Prague:

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Old June 26th, 2012, 08:15 PM   #92
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If CTC doesn't start making profits soon, more tram routes will be shut down and trams will eventually cease to exist.
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Old June 27th, 2012, 03:27 AM   #93
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oh !! This has become a tram thread now
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Centre to help revive trams

KOLKATA: The central government has stepped forward to breathe new life into Kolkata's trams, which have been pushed to the brink of extinction.

Union urban development secretary Sudhir Krishna on Saturday said that the Centre may meet 40% of the viability gap funding to refurbish and redesign tram services in Kolkata, the only city where the Raj era transport survives.

Krishna met chief secretary Samar Ghosh, transport secretary B P Gopalika and transport department special secretary Jayanta Saha at Writers' Buildings and suggested prescribed a three-tier rejuvenation package.

First, the state government must prepare a citywide multi-modal integrated public transport network and confirm the corridors along which trams can ply. Second, there should be low cost measures to increase the number of passengers. For instance, tram stops can be shifted to road-intersections so that people can get on and off easily and cross the road safely. Third, a plan to upgrade the tram operation as part of the citywide network.

The ministry of urban development has asked the Institute of Urban Transport to study the Kolkata tram system to analyse the economics, scope of renovation and possibility of introducing tram-trains in India. Ministry officials have met members of 16 NGOs working in urban sectors besides 20 members of CII urbanization and Future Cities

"The new concept tram-trains have been developed in Germany. Under it, trams run on intercity railway tracks outside the city. Tram-trains are a good idea and will save cost by more intensive use of available infrastructure," said Krishna, adding that trams hold a great possibility if they could be revived and redesigned.

"Today, I got some unique propositions from the state government, like banquet tram where business conferences and social parties can be organized. There can be heritage tram trips. Tourists can have a tour of the city by a heritage carriage. Trams can also be used for commercial purpose to transport goods. For instance, vegetables can be carried from wholesale to retail markets," he said.

"I think it is high time to take the tram beyond the city limit. In new townships like Rajarhat and Dankuni, trams can be used much more efficiently. During our interaction, we found that despite its bad financial shape, nobody wanted the tram network scrapped. Everybody wanted Kolkata trams to be revived and restored to its old glory. Moreover, it has an immense heritage value and is integral to the socio-cultural fabric of the city," he said.
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Old July 1st, 2012, 07:40 AM   #95
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Centre to help revive trams

KOLKATA: The central government has stepped forward to breathe new life into Kolkata's trams, which have been pushed to the brink of extinction.

Union urban development secretary Sudhir Krishna on Saturday said that the Centre may meet 40% of the viability gap funding to refurbish and redesign tram services in Kolkata, the only city where the Raj era transport survives.

Krishna met chief secretary Samar Ghosh, transport secretary B P Gopalika and transport department special secretary Jayanta Saha at Writers' Buildings and suggested prescribed a three-tier rejuvenation package.

First, the state government must prepare a citywide multi-modal integrated public transport network and confirm the corridors along which trams can ply. Second, there should be low cost measures to increase the number of passengers. For instance, tram stops can be shifted to road-intersections so that people can get on and off easily and cross the road safely. Third, a plan to upgrade the tram operation as part of the citywide network.

The ministry of urban development has asked the Institute of Urban Transport to study the Kolkata tram system to analyse the economics, scope of renovation and possibility of introducing tram-trains in India. Ministry officials have met members of 16 NGOs working in urban sectors besides 20 members of CII urbanization and Future Cities

"The new concept tram-trains have been developed in Germany. Under it, trams run on intercity railway tracks outside the city. Tram-trains are a good idea and will save cost by more intensive use of available infrastructure," said Krishna, adding that trams hold a great possibility if they could be revived and redesigned.

"Today, I got some unique propositions from the state government, like banquet tram where business conferences and social parties can be organized. There can be heritage tram trips. Tourists can have a tour of the city by a heritage carriage. Trams can also be used for commercial purpose to transport goods. For instance, vegetables can be carried from wholesale to retail markets," he said.

"I think it is high time to take the tram beyond the city limit. In new townships like Rajarhat and Dankuni, trams can be used much more efficiently. During our interaction, we found that despite its bad financial shape, nobody wanted the tram network scrapped. Everybody wanted Kolkata trams to be revived and restored to its old glory. Moreover, it has an immense heritage value and is integral to the socio-cultural fabric of the city," he said.
Banquet trams etc is fine, but we need modern coaches which are fast, with electronic display, automatic doors and air-conditioned. Then spread the tram network to New Town, Howrah, Dankuni and Baruipur. This will give a tremendous boost to trams. Go for PPP model to achieve this and please don't refurbish old coaches, they are relics now.
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Centre to help revive trams

KOLKATA: The central government has stepped forward to breathe new life into Kolkata's trams, which have been pushed to the brink of extinction.

Union urban development secretary Sudhir Krishna on Saturday said that the Centre may meet 40% of the viability gap funding to refurbish and redesign tram services in Kolkata, the only city where the Raj era transport survives.

Krishna met chief secretary Samar Ghosh, transport secretary B P Gopalika and transport department special secretary Jayanta Saha at Writers' Buildings and suggested prescribed a three-tier rejuvenation package.

First, the state government must prepare a citywide multi-modal integrated public transport network and confirm the corridors along which trams can ply. Second, there should be low cost measures to increase the number of passengers. For instance, tram stops can be shifted to road-intersections so that people can get on and off easily and cross the road safely. Third, a plan to upgrade the tram operation as part of the citywide network.

The ministry of urban development has asked the Institute of Urban Transport to study the Kolkata tram system to analyse the economics, scope of renovation and possibility of introducing tram-trains in India. Ministry officials have met members of 16 NGOs working in urban sectors besides 20 members of CII urbanization and Future Cities

"The new concept tram-trains have been developed in Germany. Under it, trams run on intercity railway tracks outside the city. Tram-trains are a good idea and will save cost by more intensive use of available infrastructure," said Krishna, adding that trams hold a great possibility if they could be revived and redesigned.

"Today, I got some unique propositions from the state government, like banquet tram where business conferences and social parties can be organized. There can be heritage tram trips. Tourists can have a tour of the city by a heritage carriage. Trams can also be used for commercial purpose to transport goods. For instance, vegetables can be carried from wholesale to retail markets," he said.

"I think it is high time to take the tram beyond the city limit. In new townships like Rajarhat and Dankuni, trams can be used much more efficiently. During our interaction, we found that despite its bad financial shape, nobody wanted the tram network scrapped. Everybody wanted Kolkata trams to be revived and restored to its old glory. Moreover, it has an immense heritage value and is integral to the socio-cultural fabric of the city," he said.
WHAT ASHIS-MITRA THINK TODAY, CENTRAL GOVT. THINKS TOMORROW, & SKYSCRAPPER FORUMERS POST THAT IN THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW.
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By new stock, are we referring to really new rakes like this? Not sure if CTC has the cash to buy these:



Companies like Jessop can actually try building modern trams with AC.
The source of this news is a 15 minutes meeting of me with Mr. Shantilal Jain at CTC HQ on last Wednesday.

The summary of the meeting will be posted here within a week I hope.
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http://www.railwaygazette.com/nc/new...july-2012.html
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Following a study of the Kolkata tramway undertaken by the Institute of Urban Transport, India’s Ministry of Urban Development has asked states to consider the use of trams for metro feeder services or to replace bus rapid transit.
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Recently I met with tram company’s chairman, with some sugession for betterment of Kolkata’s tram system, by cheap ways, because we are mostly uncultured, uneducated & poor (each links to each). Here is a brief description about it.

1) Install platforms at tram stops with clear signs on those roads which are very wide and tram runs middle of the road, to safely entram or detram, especially for children, women, senior citizens & handicappeds.
A:- This has already submitted to state government, and actively considering now.

2) Install closable doors on each tram for safety and smart look, and ensuring that tram will stop only on platforms.
A:- This is under the rolling stock renovation project, and a good idea also.

3) Stop using ugly iron route board, hanging in front of tram from iron net, and modify this system by good looking.
A:- This is also under the rolling stock renovation project. There all trams will get LED display board. (I doubt how many drivers will use it, because of their casual backdated mentality, although private bus drivers mostly use it, but government bus drivers hardly use it).

4) Replace ugly backdated fornt iron net by fibre glass with wiper, also for healthy driving.
A:- This is also under the rolling stock renovation project. All trams will be step by step converted to air- conditioned coaches, with some completely new air-conditioned rakes. So then it will be obvious to install front glass.

5) Install seats & fans on driver’s cabin for comfortability of drivers.
A:- This is also under the rolling stock renovation project. All new trams have got it, and in future more trams will get it.

6) Replace ordinary bulbs by CFL on both inside & outside, for brighter looks, and decreasing electricity consumption.
A:- This is also under the rolling stock renovation project. All new trams will get CFLs.

7) If cars’ washing should be started regularly in the late night, like metro or suburban trains, all trams will look clean & bright, which will help to attract passengers.
A:- We are trying to improve this condition.

8) CTC must supply necessary parts as early as needed. It will help to run almost 95% tram running from all depots, and thus improving to a reliable service.
A:- We are trying to improve this condition.

9) Tracks and wires must be checked regularly from 12 Midnight to 3:30 AM everyday.
A:- We are trying to improve this condition. (I think it will require new fresh young educated employees)

10) Breakdown vans & tower wagons must be ready all time for emergency service, and if possible should be stocked on some busy roads/intersections.
A:- We are trying to improve this condition.

11) If maintenance could be high, and if sudden damage happens accidentally, it should be recovered as quick as possible, to prevent that passengers should not get down from tram and go to bus, metro or other vehicles.
A:- We are aware about this situation, and trying to improve it.

12) If any route will be closed for any reason temporarily, CTC must be inform via newspapers to passengers, that they should know how to avoid particular routes, in case of service halting.
A:- Interesting suggession, we should consider it.

13) CTC should advertise sometimes on newspapers/radio/television to focusing positive attitudes of tram service, to describe why people should travel by tram as much as possible.
A:- Interesting suggession, we should consider it.

14) www.calcuttatramways.com should be fully refurbished with latest technologies, to attract more passengers, especially tourists.
A:- We have just started it. Perhaps it will look better in near future.

15) Advertisement should be introduced not only on tramcars, but also in & on depots, termini, tickets etc. Some rental based service like restaurants, shops, markets etc. Could be opened on depot/termini premises, which will increase the income of CTC.
A:- Some companies has shown interest. We are thining to opning some LPG pumps on some depot. (I’m in doubt that wouldn’t those pumps increase chaos inside depots/termini?)

16) Single coach tram may be introduced during off peak hours.
A:- This is the ultimate under the rolling stock renovation project. We should replace all double-coach tram to single, and that coach will be lengthier than present. All other modifications (see above) will be installed on those new trams.

17) Other vehicles should be reduced and controlled to those roads, where tram service is active.
A:- We are in doubt to apply this way on current network, it is under debate, but we are actively thinking about extension of the tram network towards Jyotinagar, Bidhannagar & Bantala. At those places, tram will run on fully reserved track with high speed. (This was published on some newspapers & TV channels, with some modifications, i.e. it may be light rail, not tram, with elevated way, and central government is also interested about it.)
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Recently I met with tram company’s chairman, with some sugession for betterment of Kolkata’s tram system, by cheap ways, because we are mostly uncultured, uneducated & poor (each links to each). Here is a brief description about it.

1) Install platforms at tram stops with clear signs on those roads which are very wide and tram runs middle of the road, to safely entram or detram, especially for children, women, senior citizens & handicappeds.
A:- This has already submitted to state government, and actively considering now.

2) Install closable doors on each tram for safety and smart look, and ensuring that tram will stop only on platforms.
A:- This is under the rolling stock renovation project, and a good idea also.

3) Stop using ugly iron route board, hanging in front of tram from iron net, and modify this system by good looking.
A:- This is also under the rolling stock renovation project. There all trams will get LED display board. (I doubt how many drivers will use it, because of their casual backdated mentality, although private bus drivers mostly use it, but government bus drivers hardly use it).

4) Replace ugly backdated fornt iron net by fibre glass with wiper, also for healthy driving.
A:- This is also under the rolling stock renovation project. All trams will be step by step converted to air- conditioned coaches, with some completely new air-conditioned rakes. So then it will be obvious to install front glass.

5) Install seats & fans on driver’s cabin for comfortability of drivers.
A:- This is also under the rolling stock renovation project. All new trams have got it, and in future more trams will get it.

6) Replace ordinary bulbs by CFL on both inside & outside, for brighter looks, and decreasing electricity consumption.
A:- This is also under the rolling stock renovation project. All new trams will get CFLs.

7) If cars’ washing should be started regularly in the late night, like metro or suburban trains, all trams will look clean & bright, which will help to attract passengers.
A:- We are trying to improve this condition.

8) CTC must supply necessary parts as early as needed. It will help to run almost 95% tram running from all depots, and thus improving to a reliable service.
A:- We are trying to improve this condition.

9) Tracks and wires must be checked regularly from 12 Midnight to 3:30 AM everyday.
A:- We are trying to improve this condition. (I think it will require new fresh young educated employees)

10) Breakdown vans & tower wagons must be ready all time for emergency service, and if possible should be stocked on some busy roads/intersections.
A:- We are trying to improve this condition.

11) If maintenance could be high, and if sudden damage happens accidentally, it should be recovered as quick as possible, to prevent that passengers should not get down from tram and go to bus, metro or other vehicles.
A:- We are aware about this situation, and trying to improve it.

12) If any route will be closed for any reason temporarily, CTC must be inform via newspapers to passengers, that they should know how to avoid particular routes, in case of service halting.
A:- Interesting suggession, we should consider it.

13) CTC should advertise sometimes on newspapers/radio/television to focusing positive attitudes of tram service, to describe why people should travel by tram as much as possible.
A:- Interesting suggession, we should consider it.

14) www.calcuttatramways.com should be fully refurbished with latest technologies, to attract more passengers, especially tourists.
A:- We have just started it. Perhaps it will look better in near future.

15) Advertisement should be introduced not only on tramcars, but also in & on depots, termini, tickets etc. Some rental based service like restaurants, shops, markets etc. Could be opened on depot/termini premises, which will increase the income of CTC.
A:- Some companies has shown interest. We are thining to opning some LPG pumps on some depot. (I’m in doubt that wouldn’t those pumps increase chaos inside depots/termini?)

16) Single coach tram may be introduced during off peak hours.
A:- This is the ultimate under the rolling stock renovation project. We should replace all double-coach tram to single, and that coach will be lengthier than present. All other modifications (see above) will be installed on those new trams.

17) Other vehicles should be reduced and controlled to those roads, where tram service is active.
A:- We are in doubt to apply this way on current network, it is under debate, but we are actively thinking about extension of the tram network towards Jyotinagar, Bidhannagar & Bantala. At those places, tram will run on fully reserved track with high speed. (This was published on some newspapers & TV channels, with some modifications, i.e. it may be light rail, not tram, with elevated way, and central government is also interested about it.)
But who's going to fund all these changes? That's the biggest question the chairman has to answer. Without proper financing, none of these steps could be taken. Also, renovating the old coaches to look modern is as bad as putting make-up on a monkey to look like bride. They simply have to get modern ac coaches which are fast. It hardly matters whether Govt. is considering these proposals or not, becoz they don't have money to implement the proposals. Handover the tram service to some private company on a build-operate-manage route.
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