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Old Yesterday, 03:39 PM   #21241
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How much would a tunnel like that cost?

$2.2B bought 9km of underground track with 3 stations on the airport line so the proposed track with all the stations would be at least $5B right ?
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If there is going to be driverless trains with a higher frequency, then could we get by with shorter trains and stations. Stations are a major cost of an underground line, and shorter stations could justify having them closer together, forming a village atmosphere rather than a hub which you get with wider spaced stations.

Russell, Barrack, Victoria and Plain are rather close together but will set the CBD region up well for when Perth has a much bigger population.
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Old Today, 02:25 AM   #21243
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The currently proposed route for the Morley section of the tunnel is similar to the route in Money_Train's post:



You'd hope they could add in at least one extra station between ECU and Perth.
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Yeah, that map is crying out for a North Perth station.

Where’s the pic from anyway?
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https://thewest.com.au/business/econ...-ng-b88636292z

Metronet is becoming a 'thing' a tangible part of the Perth/WA economy.
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Old Today, 03:53 AM   #21246
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$2.2B bought 9km of underground track with 3 stations on the airport line so the proposed track with all the stations would be at least $5B right ?
Yep using airport link as a guide, if it was 18km of tunnel and 9 stations plus tunneling through built up areas it's reasonable to estimate $5-8B I think.
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The currently proposed route for the Morley section of the tunnel is similar to the route in Money_Train's post:



You'd hope they could add in at least one extra station between ECU and Perth.
Like to add three stations to that at least.
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Yeah, that map is crying out for a North Perth station.
The limited stops buses 360, 361, 362 have only 1 stop between ECU and James St Northbridge and that's at NP Plaza.

The 960 linking ECU and Curtin can stop at every bus stop.
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Old Today, 06:20 AM   #21249
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Like to add three stations to that at least.
The reason why the stations are so few, is the previous government wanted to add a line that spurred off the Currambine line and for the route be an actual viable time alternative, ie, get people from the Northern Suburbs to the city quicker than the Currambine line. Hence the stations are so sparse, because its meant to ferry people in from outer suburbia, not service the needs of the inner suburbs.
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The reason why the stations are so few, is the previous government wanted to add a line that spurred off the Currambine line and for the route be an actual viable time alternative, ie, get people from the Northern Suburbs to the city quicker than the Currambine line. Hence the stations are so sparse, because its meant to ferry people in from outer suburbia, not service the needs of the inner suburbs.
Add an extra set of lines down the freeway then.

You build a line through a new area, it is only logical to service the area.
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The reason why the stations are so few, is the previous government wanted to add a line that spurred off the Currambine line and for the route be an actual viable time alternative, ie, get people from the Northern Suburbs to the city quicker than the Currambine line. Hence the stations are so sparse, because its meant to ferry people in from outer suburbia, not service the needs of the inner suburbs.


To service suburbia that doesnít get exist, most of it East of Lake Joondalup. Ellenbrook was going to be serviced off a spur in that plan.
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I also believe the viable time argument was flawed. Luckily so does Alannah
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Old Today, 06:41 AM   #21253
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Add an extra set of lines down the freeway then.



You build a line through a new area, it is only logical to service the area.


I agree on both counts. The capacity constraints are best solved by quad tracking, not some hare brained plan to add a line through a different route with sparse stations.
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Not likely to see any Morley-Ellenbrook line go via Beaufort given it's proximity to the midland line.
This is a silly argument. How many people along Beaufort St would seriously see the Midland Line as a viable alternative when commuting to the city?

It might be close but it's a completely different corridor. One which already has reasonable density to justify rail.
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This is a silly argument. How many people along Beaufort St would seriously see the Midland Line as a viable alternative when commuting to the city?

It might be close but it's a completely different corridor. One which already has reasonable density to justify rail.
The route could go many ways with reasonable and growing densities in most inner suburbs. One could compromise go up Beaufort till Walcott then head up to ECU then across to Bedford and Morley.
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This is a silly argument. How many people along Beaufort St would seriously see the Midland Line as a viable alternative when commuting to the city?

It might be close but it's a completely different corridor. One which already has reasonable density to justify rail.
I think the argument is more that the walkable catchment for a railway along Beaufort St would overlap substantially with that of the Midland line. Between Highgate and Bedford, Beaufort St is generally 800-1000m away from the Midland line - and generally you want at least 1.5-2kms between railways to maximise catchment area.

If we are going to spend billions on a railway line, we may as well locate it somewhere that maximises patronage and does not take passengers away from neighbouring lines.
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Isn’t Mt Lawley one of the lowest utilised stations in the network? A new line can’t take passengers away from a station catchment if there aren’t any passengers to begin with.
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Isnít Mt Lawley one of the lowest utilised stations in the network? A new line canít take passengers away from a station catchment if there arenít any passengers to begin with.
It isn't just Mt Lawley but also Maylands, Meltham and to an extent East Perth stations that would have catchment overlap.

I agree that Beaufort St does require public transport improvements, but I just think that if we are only going to build a single line between the CBD and Morley, routing it via North Perth and ECU makes more sense.
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