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Old December 1st, 2009, 09:54 AM   #301
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I've seen this and all the renders. It's not a bad project but I'd prefer the Shard to sit in splendid isolation to be honest. They look a bit 'spindly.'
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Old December 1st, 2009, 12:56 PM   #302
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Oh, can you tell us anything else? Any other buildings in the world you would compare them to? Is the tallest still 253m?
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Old December 1st, 2009, 01:05 PM   #303
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Anything spindly in London is an immensely positive contribution. Its current majority skyline is far too heavy and basic. A sad indicment on 50 years of development.

For this very reason i would be happy to see this sit near the Shard! Im imagining from the original renders that the important West to East views of the Shard would still give it an air of isolation.
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Old December 1st, 2009, 01:33 PM   #304
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re: the shard in isolation argument - highrise bans have already limited london's skyline to a pokey, sprawling mess without the enforcement of another, particularly one designed to suffocate the natural development of a cluster for reasons of "splendid isolation", when no splendid isolation exists to begin with (see: guys).

the shard signals the beginning of a bold new soaring london, not the end of it. to me anyway.
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Old December 1st, 2009, 07:34 PM   #305
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I agree with both the above. The Shard wont be isolated, it is next to Guys. Tall slender towers should be encouraged- especially in the east, City, CW, London bridge. What we need less of are stumpy midrise towers that detract from the Victorian skyline and add nothing to the new one. A fear of hieght in our planning has ,perversely, done more harm than good as it has encourged sprawling groundscrapers. The Three Houses scheme is a logical step after the Shard, which introduces both height and quality of design to the skyline. Lets not make the Shard a one off monument to a brief moment of inhibition but a starting point to a new, more bold and ambitious era in Londons development.
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Old December 1st, 2009, 10:18 PM   #306
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I'm not sure why everyone is saying height with regards to this project, I think it's pretty obvious they've been chopped down to something unsubstantial. These were supposed to be unveiled nearly a year ago. Someone's had a word somewhere behind the scenes.
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Old December 1st, 2009, 11:56 PM   #307
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So are their any actual renders of this project or is it just that computer 3d thing so far?
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Old December 2nd, 2009, 10:44 AM   #308
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I doubt it until that meeting, I'm sure the online architectual press will show something soon.
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Old December 2nd, 2009, 11:41 AM   #309
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can't wait to see them! ps like the new avatar DarJoLe
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Old December 2nd, 2009, 12:32 PM   #310
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I doubt we will be seeing any new images soon as it sounds like a local PR meeting so doubt they would be releasing images just yet.

They may well have images but its up to our intrepid SSC members to get some pictures on the sly this thursday
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Old December 2nd, 2009, 07:28 PM   #311
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I've seen this and all the renders. It's not a bad project but I'd prefer the Shard to sit in splendid isolation to be honest. They look a bit 'spindly.'
Isn't "spindly" what must people rather appreciate about skyscrapers? Rather than fat groundscrapers? Or what made you use that term?
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 09:53 PM   #312
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Sadly folks very little to report from the meeting tonight. The guy from Sellar gave a presentation that was more about the local area than the scheme itself and included only one picture showing only a small corner of the scheme to prove that it had been redesigned to reduce the impact when walking north along Bermondsey Street. Not even any massing plans!

Most questions were evaded although he answer my question about whether the old warehouse on the site was to be demolished, to which the answer sadly and unsurprisingly was yes. The designs are to be finalised for full consultation by the end of the year and he is due to present again in the next BSAP meeting in the new year.

Only news to report is that the scheme has been rebadged as 3 Spires rather than 3 Houses and the original plans to demolish and rebuild the school on Snowsfield and the ridiculous plans for a Lido in Leathermarket Gardens have been scrapped due to lack of public support.

However it was great to catch up with Stefan and also get a free glass of mulled wine from The Hide
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 10:00 PM   #313
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He didn't seem to confident, to try and convince the people in that room I think they are going to need someone a little more convincing!

The render was a little vague, but for once the amended changes to reduce the bulk on Bermondsey Street have improved the design from Ground level at least.

I was interested to see the plan for the green spaces around London Bridge to be linked to create a 'green walk'.
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 10:01 PM   #314
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Also completley agree about the Warehouse, I think you will have a lot of support in defending its demolision, and as that lady pointed out it summarises the entire feel of the area, and should absolutley be encorporated into the design.
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 10:17 PM   #315
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He didn't seem to confident, to try and convince the people in that room I think they are going to need someone a little more convincing!
Indeed, he had the unfortunate combination of not coming across very confidently and also being very defensive!

Sorry I didn't get a chance to say hello, was going to chat to you when we left but you'd got into the lift by the time I got out of the room.
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 10:17 PM   #316
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Isn't "spindly" what must people rather appreciate about skyscrapers? Rather than fat groundscrapers? Or what made you use that term?
I think what dom meant was that the model showed them to look like spindles. I have some in my house and I see where he's getting at
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 10:53 PM   #317
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Indeed, he had the unfortunate combination of not coming across very confidently and also being very defensive!

Sorry I didn't get a chance to say hello, was going to chat to you when we left but you'd got into the lift by the time I got out of the room.
Absolutley! Especially with the guy who kept commenting to wind him up, Am looking forward to going back in January to see the final proposal etc,

My apologies also for not waiting around.. and the Mulled Wine was very nice!

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Old December 4th, 2009, 12:02 AM   #318
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I don't see how it would be too difficult to alter the designs to accommodate the warehouse, especially as it's going to be the smallest of the towers. Maybe a slight increase in height or an increase in width.
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Old December 4th, 2009, 12:54 AM   #319
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Thanks for the updates boys.

Sounds like Sellar is trying to do a damage mitigation exercise about the fears on the Bermondsey Street conservation area by releasing snippets on the effects at ground level. Would that be the impression you got? Doesn't sound like there PR is up to much lol.

Wouldn't be surprised if they submit in the quiet time before xmas and have a public consultation in early Jan as Smogie mentioned. I'm guessing they have spent the last year ironing out the objections with those in the GLA, Southwark & EH and are now ready to submit an application so its PR time with the local community.
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That is absolutley what they are doing London Lad!

Sellar seemed very keen to keep engaging with the local residents to ensure that the planning process was as smooth as possible, which makes financial sense for them of course.

There will be a meeting in January to overview the plans with the local resident groups, this will also be an oppurtunity to discuss the final use of the 'community space' within the three spires.
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