daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on oneforums map | privacy policy (aug.2, 2013) | DMCA policy | flipboard magazine
Old January 5th, 2008, 05:47 AM   #1
paradyto
entendre privilege
 
paradyto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: 雅加达 - 巨港
Posts: 30,131

[Indonesia] Goes to Election 2009: News & Issued

Old elite set to dominate Indonesia`s 2009 presidential poll

Jakarta (ANTARA News) - As the US presidential race reaches a peak, Indonesians are starting to ponder their choice for president here in 2009 polls -- and are unimpressed by the old faces already dominating, analysts say.

The poll is expected to see incumbent Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono take on, among others, a crooning general, a revered sultan and an ex-president who announced her candidacy after speaking to her dead father.

Yudhoyono -- who is yet to officially announce he will run again -- remains the favourite in polling, but only because the public is disillusioned with the competition, the executive director of polling company Indo Barometer, Mohammad Qodari, told AFP.

"Yudhoyono could still be the strongest presidential candidate because people are not looking at Yudhoyono," he said.

Instead, they are examining a field of candidates that owe much to their position in the political constellation formed under dictator Suharto's 32-year rule of the world's fourth most populous nation, which ended in 1998.

Indonesian politics still lacks a talent pool to draw from, leaving voters to choose between candidates tainted by perceptions of corruption, indecisiveness or plain unlikeability, analysts say.

Bambang Harymurti, the chief editor of the Tempo magazine and newspaper group, said Suharto's rule smothered a potential new generation of leaders.

"It was very difficult for others to grow under the big banyan tree," Harymurti told AFP.

Of the alternatives, the most competitive is former president Megawati Sukarnoputri, who lost office in 2004 in the first-ever direct presidential elections amid disappointment over her perceived dithering in office.

Megawati delighted her party loyalists in September by telling them she would run again after receiving a vision from her late father, magnetic first president Sukarno, who gave his assent.

Even though she was a figure in the "reformasi" movement that pushed Indonesia towards democracy, Megawati's role as an "opposition" figure in the officially sanctioned People's Democratic Party (PDI) was mostly tolerated by the regime.

"The problem is Suharto might be a bad guy, but he was -- compared to other dictators -- a soft dictator," who failed to create a Mandela-style opposition
figure, said Harymurti.


Mega-rich Kalla

Another main challenge to Yudhoyono could come from his mega-rich deputy Jusuf Kalla, who heads the country's largest party, Golkar -- which served as the key political vehicle for Suharto's rule.

Kalla, however, faces a factional split within his own party for the Golkar nomination.

And as a native of Sulawesi island, Kalla may also have his ambitions clipped by unpopularity among Javanese voters, who make up Indonesia's biggest ethnic group, said Kusnanto Anggoro, a political science lecturer at the University of Indonesia.

"It's primordial politics I guess ... most Javanese are likely to want a Javanese president" or at least a Javanese running mate, Anggoro said.

Another old face in the race is ex-armed forces chief Wiranto, who trailed third in 2004 despite beating Kalla to the official Golkar nomination. Now he has launched his own party, People's Conscience, with branches in every province and a well-funded advertising campaign.

The bid by the retired general, an avid singer who is accused of numerous human rights violations in Indonesia and East Timor, could be a pitch to voters nostalgic for the Suharto era, Harymurti said.

But a resurgence by old regime candidates such as Wiranto would likely fail, he said, adding that he was heartened this group overestimated its popularity.

"If they know they have no chance, then they would use their energy playing a spoiler game (against democracy)," he said.


Sutiyoso and PKS

The high-profile candidates closest to being considered fresh are former Jakarta governor Sutiyoso and Sultan Hamenkubuwono X, the hereditary ruler of the ancient Javanese city of Yogyakarta and its current elected governor.

Hamengkubuwono says he is waiting for a party to approach him to run, but signs are his appeal is just not broad enough, Anggoro said.

Sutiyoso -- a one-time Jakarta military chief who became the capital's governor under Suharto in 1997, and stepped down this year -- has garnered the support of 14 minor parties, but is as yet unloved by the big players.

He kicked off his campaign with a buzz when he appeared near the top of Merapi volcano with its elderly keeper, Marijan, who is famous throughout Indonesia for starring in a popular series of energy drink advertisements.

Despite the hype, Sutiyoso's candidacy is "like a joke", said Asmara Nababan, the head of the Centre for Democracy and Human Rights, citing Sutiyoso's dismal public approval level in flood- and traffic-plagued Jakarta.

One potential source of political renewal could be the moderate Islamist Prosperous Justice Party (PKS), which has gained popularity as much for its perceived lack of corruption as religious appeal, Nababan said.

Unlike the other parties, the PKS is not driven by a single dominant personality. A strong showing in the 2009 legislative election a few months before the presidential poll could convince the PKS to field a candidate, he added.
__________________
welcome you participants the 3rd musi triboatton 2014
The Green & Cleanest Metropolitan (since 2007) Sumsel Gemilang 雅加达 - 巨港 Jakabaring Sport City
ASEAN University Games 2014 Palembang Emas 2018
paradyto no está en línea   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
 
Old January 5th, 2008, 06:30 AM   #2
AceN
Half Geek
 
AceN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Iacárta
Posts: 11,292
Likes (Received): 1914

Yah....negara kita kan demokrasi baru mulai jalan, ekonomi baru mulai tumbuh..ga bisa semudah itu menyerahkan pucuk kepemimpinan kepada Golongan Muda. Terutama dilihat dari track record, dan pengalaman yang belum bisa menyamai muka-muka lama pemimpin kita..

Yudhoyono isn't bad for me..asal jangan Kalla yang jadi presiden, dia jadi wapres aja. Kalo jadi presiden, g khawatir dengan sikap sradak-sruduk-tabrak dulu,urusan belakangan nya itu.....maklum, background Pengusaha..
AceN no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 5th, 2008, 01:39 PM   #3
peseg5
SSC Indonesia
 
peseg5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Jakarta
Posts: 3,769

Wait until the official candidates announced, then I'll give some comments...

For now, is too early to decide.
__________________
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good man to do nothing.
(Edmund Burke 1729-1797)

peseg5 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 6th, 2008, 07:56 AM   #4
rilham2new
Obsolete User
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Jakarta, Pekanbaru, Tangerang
Posts: 29,636
Likes (Received): 380

Quote:
Originally Posted by AceN View Post
Yah....negara kita kan demokrasi baru mulai jalan, ekonomi baru mulai tumbuh..ga bisa semudah itu menyerahkan pucuk kepemimpinan kepada Golongan Muda. Terutama dilihat dari track record, dan pengalaman yang belum bisa menyamai muka-muka lama pemimpin kita..

Yudhoyono isn't bad for me..asal jangan Kalla yang jadi presiden, dia jadi wapres aja. Kalo jadi presiden, g khawatir dengan sikap sradak-sruduk-tabrak dulu,urusan belakangan nya itu.....maklum, background Pengusaha..
Apa si Kalla?? Jangan ahh,,, ntar kita semua di sini bakal Kaget ,,, kalau Makassar Airport ada Terminal 2 nya
__________________
"2 + 2 = 5". By George Orwell
rilham2new no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 6th, 2008, 08:42 PM   #5
peseg5
SSC Indonesia
 
peseg5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Jakarta
Posts: 3,769

Alex Noerdin, Fadel M, contoh2 alternatif yg seharusnya bisa diusung... itupun kalau mereka mau / bersedia.


ALEX NURDIN

Jabatan: Gubernur aktif Propinsi Sumsel


FADEL MUHAMMAD

Jabatan: Gubernur aktif Propinsi Gorontalo
__________________
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good man to do nothing.
(Edmund Burke 1729-1797)


Last edited by peseg5; January 6th, 2008 at 08:54 PM.
peseg5 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 7th, 2008, 03:30 AM   #6
Ara
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Djakarta
Posts: 651
Likes (Received): 0

Ngk suprise dengan namanya yang itu itu lagi calonkan diri jadi Pres dan Wapres. Tetapi agak concern. Kayanya new blood di blok. Harusnya Megawati dan Gus Dur ngk calonkan diri lagi. instead, let new blood run the party. Lama lama, parti parti akan jadi identity party, hidup atau mati dengan satu orang. Itu ngk bagus buat demokrasi.
__________________
Gue laper banget nih.
Ara no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 8th, 2008, 07:11 AM   #7
rilham2new
Obsolete User
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Jakarta, Pekanbaru, Tangerang
Posts: 29,636
Likes (Received): 380

Quote:
Originally Posted by peseg5 View Post
Alex Noerdin, Fadel M, contoh2 alternatif yg seharusnya bisa diusung... itupun kalau mereka mau / bersedia.


ALEX NURDIN

Jabatan: Gubernur aktif Propinsi Sumsel

Alex Nurdin Bukannya bupati Musi Banyuasin ???
__________________
"2 + 2 = 5". By George Orwell
rilham2new no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 8th, 2008, 07:51 AM   #8
Zorobabel
Awesomeness
 
Zorobabel's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Jakarta
Posts: 1,209
Likes (Received): 2

From an Oct 15th poll from Angus Reid. 1,200 Indonesians polled with a margin error of 2.8%.

Who would you vote for in the next presidential election?

Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono (PD) 35.5%

Megawati Sukarnoputri (PDIP) 28%

Wiranto (Golkar) 7%

Amien Rais (PAN) 6.5%

Sri Sultan Hamengku Buwono X 5%

Hidayat Nur Wahid 5%

Jusuf Kalla (Golkar) 4%

Sutiyoso 1%
Zorobabel no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 8th, 2008, 06:00 PM   #9
Alvin
Registered User
 
Alvin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: London - Sydney - Jakarta
Posts: 6,024
Likes (Received): 26

Yeah, it is sad to say old faces like Megawati,l Amien, and even Wiranto (!!!) being among the top few candidates according to latest pollings. Don't we have fresh blood?? it just shows how entrenched & unshakable the elites are in Indonesia..
Alvin no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 8th, 2008, 06:57 PM   #10
peseg5
SSC Indonesia
 
peseg5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Jakarta
Posts: 3,769

Quote:
Originally Posted by rilham2new View Post
Alex Nurdin Bukannya bupati Musi Banyuasin ???
Lah... bukannya gubernur Sumsel? Namanya sama kali yah, atau gwnya yg salah? Tapi setau gw ada Alex Noerdin gub Sumsel. Pernah majang iklan di koran kompas kok. CMIIW
__________________
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good man to do nothing.
(Edmund Burke 1729-1797)

peseg5 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 8th, 2008, 07:02 PM   #11
peseg5
SSC Indonesia
 
peseg5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Jakarta
Posts: 3,769

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zorobabel View Post
From an Oct 15th poll from Angus Reid. 1,200 Indonesians polled with a margin error of 2.8%.

Who would you vote for in the next presidential election?

Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono (PD) 35.5%
Megawati Sukarnoputri (PDIP) 28%
Wiranto (Golkar) 7%
Amien Rais (PAN) 6.5%
Sri Sultan Hamengku Buwono X 5%
Hidayat Nur Wahid 5%
Jusuf Kalla (Golkar) 4%
Sutiyoso 1%
I guess, the 2nd round will be the same again as 2004, as the 2 old titans compete again to regain istana merderka... Mega vs SBY... and i predict the winner is still SBY... of course with JK as the vice president. I'm sorry for Mega, she has too little chance to win the election...
__________________
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good man to do nothing.
(Edmund Burke 1729-1797)

peseg5 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 8th, 2008, 08:44 PM   #12
F-ian
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Kingdom of Banten, the Dynasty of Queen Atut
Posts: 4,364
Likes (Received): 56

Quote:
Originally Posted by peseg5 View Post
Alex Noerdin, Fadel M, contoh2 alternatif yg seharusnya bisa diusung... itupun kalau mereka mau / bersedia.

FADEL MUHAMMAD

Jabatan: Gubernur aktif Propinsi Gorontalo
kalo dia ngecalon, I'd pick him! he made the production of corns in Gorontalo 2x lipat rite? from tadinya 20,000 ton jadi 100,000 ton CMIIW (sorry I use Indoenglish )
F-ian no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 9th, 2008, 03:37 AM   #13
Ara
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Djakarta
Posts: 651
Likes (Received): 0

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alvin View Post
Yeah, it is sad to say old faces like Megawati,l Amien, and even Wiranto (!!!) being among the top few candidates according to latest pollings. Don't we have fresh blood?? it just shows how entrenched & unshakable the elites are in Indonesia..
That's why I'm worried about the future. There are no new blood for the future. Nobody to excite the youths. It would be great if we have somebody like Obama also running, it means that the youth of the party is actually having a stake. Herd that the youth league of Partai Demokrat disband itself because they were frustrated by being locked out of the party.
__________________
Gue laper banget nih.
Ara no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 9th, 2008, 02:27 PM   #14
Zorobabel
Awesomeness
 
Zorobabel's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Jakarta
Posts: 1,209
Likes (Received): 2

I'm guessing that SBY will win barring any major crisis over the next two years. His approval rating has increased slightly and now stands solidly above 50%, and it will likely hover around 60% if the economy continues to grow at its current rate, pushing unemployment lower.
Zorobabel no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 11th, 2008, 11:36 AM   #15
rilham2new
Obsolete User
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Jakarta, Pekanbaru, Tangerang
Posts: 29,636
Likes (Received): 380

Quote:
Originally Posted by peseg5 View Post
Lah... bukannya gubernur Sumsel? Namanya sama kali yah, atau gwnya yg salah? Tapi setau gw ada Alex Noerdin gub Sumsel. Pernah majang iklan di koran kompas kok. CMIIW
GUbernur Sumsel itu namanya Syahrial Oesman
__________________
"2 + 2 = 5". By George Orwell
rilham2new no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 11th, 2008, 04:53 PM   #16
peseg5
SSC Indonesia
 
peseg5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Jakarta
Posts: 3,769

Quote:
Originally Posted by rilham2new View Post
GUbernur Sumsel itu namanya Syahrial Oesman
Betul... Alex Nurdin itu baru KANDIDAT CALON gubernur Sumsel... mau Pilkada ya?
__________________
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good man to do nothing.
(Edmund Burke 1729-1797)

peseg5 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 12th, 2008, 01:00 AM   #17
rilham2new
Obsolete User
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Jakarta, Pekanbaru, Tangerang
Posts: 29,636
Likes (Received): 380

yaaa, katanya emang kandidat terkuat pilgubsumsel
__________________
"2 + 2 = 5". By George Orwell
rilham2new no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 14th, 2008, 05:20 PM   #18
paradyto
entendre privilege
 
paradyto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: 雅加达 - 巨港
Posts: 30,131

Sangat kuat
__________________
welcome you participants the 3rd musi triboatton 2014
The Green & Cleanest Metropolitan (since 2007) Sumsel Gemilang 雅加达 - 巨港 Jakabaring Sport City
ASEAN University Games 2014 Palembang Emas 2018
paradyto no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 17th, 2008, 04:08 AM   #19
kamski
hardcore
 
kamski's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 323
Likes (Received): 1

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ara View Post
Ngk suprise dengan namanya yang itu itu lagi calonkan diri jadi Pres dan Wapres. Tetapi agak concern. Kayanya new blood di blok. Harusnya Megawati dan Gus Dur ngk calonkan diri lagi. instead, let new blood run the party. Lama lama, parti parti akan jadi identity party, hidup atau mati dengan satu orang. Itu ngk bagus buat demokrasi.
Very true.

If I'm not mistaken, on another thread (I think the creativity thread), someone posted about a bunch of young ITB graduates aiming to get some political offices. I went to their website, and they look pretty legit to me (or at least compared to what we're offered for now).
__________________
Haha naw, I'm just kidding.
kamski no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 23rd, 2008, 01:26 AM   #20
paradyto
entendre privilege
 
paradyto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: 雅加达 - 巨港
Posts: 30,131

Lobi RUU Pemilu Buntu, FKB Tawarkan Jalan Tengah

JAKARTA - Fraksi Kebangkitan Bangsa (FKB) menawarkan win-win solution (jalan tengah) untuk menjembatani perdebatan pada forum lobi RUU Pemilu yang nyaris buntu.

FKB menyetujui usulan tujuh fraksi yang menginginkan agar jumlah kursi per daerah pemilihan (dapil) tidak berubah, yakni 3-12. Sebelumnya, FKB mengusulkan perubahan jumlah kursi 3-10 per dapil.

Sebagai kompensasi, FKB meminta penhitungan sisa suara tidak habis dibagi di dapil, tetapi ditarik ke provinsi. Kompensasi lainnya, PKB meminta agar jumlah kursi DPR ditambah 26 menjadi 576 kursi. Tapi, untuk jumlah kursi, FKB masih bisa berkompromi lagi.

Anggota Panja RUU Pemilu dari FKB Ali Masykur Musa mengatakan, tawaran tersebut cukup rasional. Menurut dia, penghitungan sisa suara di setiap dapil harus ditarik ke level di atasnya, yaitu provinsi atau nasional. Dia menyebut, aturan main yang berlaku pada Pemilu 2004 harus diubah. Saat itu, jatah kursi yang dimenangkan suatu parpol pasti habis dibagi di setiap dapil.

Ali Masykur mengatakan, PKB mendorong agar seluruh sisa suara dari setiap dapil, termasuk total suara dari kursi-kursi yang belum terbagi, diakumulasikan di provinsi terkait.

Kemudian jumlah total sisa suara tersebut dibagi dengan gabungan jumlah sisa kursi "yang pembagiannya ditunda" dari masing-masing dapil. Dari sana, akan didapat BPP provinsi. Tahap selanjutnya, total sisa suara masing-masing parpol yang telah diakumulasikan di provinsi dibagi kepada BPP provinsi.

Dengan demikian, parpol yang mampu mencapai BPP provinsi akan mendapat kursi tambahan yang dibagi lintas dapil. Misalnya, jika partai A mendapat tambahan lima kursi, kelima kursi itu harus dibagi kepada lima caleg dari partai A yang memperoleh suara tertinggi di provinsi tersebut.

"Jadi, kursi-kursi itu tidak diberikan seenaknya oleh partai, namun dikompetisikan lagi antar dapil untuk memperbesar derajat keterwakilan," jelas Wakil Ketua Umum DPP PKB ini.

Menurut dia, banyak anggota DPR saat ini yang tidak memiliki legitimasi cukup. Sebab, meski jumlah suaranya tidak signifikan, mereka tetap bisa mendapat limpahan kursi hanya gara-gara duduk di nomor jadi (ahmad baidowi). (Ahmad Baidowi/Sindo/uky)
__________________
welcome you participants the 3rd musi triboatton 2014
The Green & Cleanest Metropolitan (since 2007) Sumsel Gemilang 雅加达 - 巨港 Jakabaring Sport City
ASEAN University Games 2014 Palembang Emas 2018
paradyto no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT +2. The time now is 08:44 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like v3.2.5 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

SkyscraperCity ☆ In Urbanity We trust ☆ about us | privacy policy | DMCA policy

Hosted by Blacksun, dedicated to this site too!
Forum server management by DaiTengu