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Old November 15th, 2014, 04:58 AM   #4181
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I had a friend at the game at THF last Sunday who sat in the just opened Upper West Side seats - and boy is it steep up there
Almost as steep as the upper bowl at Skydome. Looks like Hamiltonians have similarly great sight lines to the ones they enjoyed at the old Ivor Wynne. Hopefully support for the Tabbies grow to the point that they need to wrap that 3 tier stand all the way around that end zone. Is there room to do so?
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I was wondering.. How can the CFL be so blind? Playoffs in freaking mid November, scheduled on Sunday? Sorry CFL, but Sunday is NFL, they can't be so out of touch.. then they wonder why so many empty seats. 15,000 tickets sold for a playoff game in Montreal, for a metro area of 4 millions people, that's embarrassing at least (plus, Canadiens played against the Red Wings that day). You can't keep ignoring the importance NHL and NFL have in these markets.

Keep games on Saturday. Start the season early, keep with 16 weeks instead of 18, and hire a better PR and marketing team, for God sake.
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Sorry, but big CFL games have always been on Sunday. The league caters their product to CFL fans not NFL fans who don't have a game to watch. CFL fans preferences should come first and they do. We want to watch CFL playoffs on Sunday. Saturday is traditionally for CIS football playoffs, and Friday night is high school football.

If the CFL playoffs were today instead of tomorrow I would have missed both the Montreal - Manitoba game and the McMaster - Mount Allison game. The Montreal game was sold out, the Hamilton game not far off from a sell out.

You're reaching if you think only 15,000 showed up in Montreal because they were watching NFL and/or it was too cold. Canadians have been playing playoff football in late November for over a century. You're certainly playing into the national perception of this city being a bunch of wimps when it comes to weather. You realize Green Bay, Minnesota, Chicago, Buffalo, and Detroit play in -10C January weather and they still get 70,000+ right?

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Old November 23rd, 2014, 04:33 AM   #4185
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Sorry, but big CFL games have always been on Sunday. The league caters their product to CFL fans not NFL fans who don't have a game to watch. CFL fans preferences should come first and they do. We want to watch CFL playoffs on Sunday. Saturday is traditionally for CIS football playoffs, and Friday night is high school football.

If the CFL playoffs were today instead of tomorrow I would have missed both the Montreal - Manitoba game and the McMaster - Mount Allison game. The Montreal game was sold out, the Hamilton game not far off from a sell out.

You're reaching if you think only 15,000 showed up in Montreal because they were watching NFL and/or it was too cold. Canadians have been playing playoff football in late November for over a century. You're certainly playing into the national perception of this city being a bunch of wimps when it comes to weather. You realize Green Bay, Minnesota, Chicago, Buffalo, and Detroit play in -10C January weather and they still get 70,000+ right?

Yeah? Then why the Eskimos played in a half empty stadium in a PLAYOFFS game?

I'm sorry to tell you this isaidso, but you seem too biased and your hatred toward the NFL and american football in general might not help you to look at the things with a critical and objective way.

Do you realize that, at Nov. 11, the Grey Cup final still had 6000 seats available, two weeks before the kickoff? If you look now on Ticketmaster, the upper bowl has thousands of seats still available. I don't know if that ever happened in a North American pro sport league ever.

Do you know the West semifinal between Saskatchewan and Edmonton ratings are down 20% from last year semi, and the East semi between Montreal and B.C. are down by 11% from last year(and we're talking about PLAYOFFS games) right? And more important, the league ratings dropped 6% this season.

These are the tv ratings from last week:

1. NHL, Leafs-Sabres/Flyers-Habs/Jets-Preds/Rangers-Pens, Saturday, CBC/Rogers: 2,200,000
2. CFL, Roughriders at Eskimos, Sunday, TSN: 1,267,000
3. CFL, Lions at Alouettes, Sunday, TSN: 874,000
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and for the sake of comparison, this shows how many Canadians watched the NFL's semifinals between Seahawks and 49ers last NFL playoffs:

1. NFL, 49ers at Seahawks, Sunday, CTV: 2,664,000
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You might not like this, but the CFL is a product and need to sell. And when you have a bigger products in your own market (NHL and NFL), you can't compete directly against them having games the same day.

Just my 2 cents

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The venue for the badminton, table tennis and water polo for the 2015 Pan-Am Games opened yesterday

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Yeah? Then why the Eskimos played in a half empty stadium in a PLAYOFFS game?

I'm sorry to tell you this isaidso, but you seem too biased and your hatred toward the NFL and american football in general might not help you to look at the things with a critical and objective way.

Do you realize that, at Nov. 11, the Grey Cup final still had 6000 seats available, two weeks before the kickoff? If you look now on Ticketmaster, the upper bowl has thousands of seats still available. I don't know if that ever happened in a North American pro sport league ever.

Do you know the West semifinal between Saskatchewan and Edmonton ratings are down 20% from last year semi, and the East semi between Montreal and B.C. are down by 11% from last year(and we're talking about PLAYOFFS games) right? And more important, the league ratings dropped 6% this season.

These are the tv ratings from last week:

1. NHL, Leafs-Sabres/Flyers-Habs/Jets-Preds/Rangers-Pens, Saturday, CBC/Rogers: 2,200,000
2. CFL, Roughriders at Eskimos, Sunday, TSN: 1,267,000
3. CFL, Lions at Alouettes, Sunday, TSN: 874,000
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If you are going to make comparisons, then do apples to apples on the same day. The CFL kicked the NFL's butt last weekend. The NFL did not even come close. The CFL does not need to worry about airing its playoff games on Sunday just because there is an NFL game on at the same time. Way more Canadian football fans watched the CFL instead of the NFL. NFL numbers go way up after the CFL season is over because there is no more CFL competition to drag down NFL numbers.

From your own article: The only good news that came out of the weekend for TSN was the fact that the two CFL games ranked second and third among all sports programming, finishing well ahead of everything but perennial ratings-topper Hockey Night In Canada.

Nothing the NFL offered up came close, so there's that. Maybe football fans were too busy raking leaves (or shovelling snow) to watch TV that day.

But considering that the league saw ratings drop 6 per cent this season, this could be part of a disturbing trend. If fewer people watch during the regular season, it's only natural that fewer people will be interested in what follows.

There were a few mitigating factors that might help Cohon and his cohorts sleep a little easier -- or at least not wake up so often -- and still hold out hope that this year's Grey Cup will be a hit.

The West playoff game was a pretty uninspired affair, with both teams fielding shaky backup quarterbacks and little being generated in the way of offence. On the other hand, the game was competitive and the outcome was in doubt right up until the final two minutes. Regardless, any time you can draw more than a million viewers you shouldn't be too concerned.

The East semi suffered from the fact that only one team appeared to be trying to win as the Alouettes basically ran the Lions off the field. The fact that an average of 874,000 viewers watched the game isn't that discouraging -- especially when you consider that RDS' French broadcast averaged 420,000 viewers (slightly more than the 416,000 who watched last year.) After all, there's little doubt that the only viewers hanging in for the fourth quarter were either relatives of the Alouettes or the kind of people who enjoy visiting abbatoirs on their vacations.

But even with all those factors considered, there are disturbing signs. This marks the second straight ratings decrease for the East semifinal and the audience for last year's Grey Cup experienced a 17 per cent drop from the previous year.

This could all be ancient history by Sunday if the two division finals produce great games and great audiences. The potential certainly is there with plenty of bad blood in both games.

But with so few people interested in the semi-finals, those will have to be superb games to reverse that trend.

Here are the most-watched English-language sports events for the past weekend, according to Numeris overnight ratings:

1. NHL, Leafs-Sabres/Flyers-Habs/Jets-Preds/Rangers-Pens, Saturday, CBC/Rogers: 2,200,000

2. CFL, Roughriders at Eskimos, Sunday, TSN: 1,267,000

3. CFL, Lions at Alouettes, Sunday, TSN: 874,000

4. NHL, Senators at Flames, Saturday, CBC: 635,000

5. NHL, Canadiens at Red Wings, Sunday, City: 572,000

6. NHL, Hockey Night In Canada pre-game, Saturday, CBC: 540,000

7. NFL, 49ers-Giants/Seahawks-Chiefs/Vikes-Bears/Bengals-Saints, Sunday, CTV: 507,000
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If you are going to make comparisons, then do apples to apples on the same day. The CFL kicked the NFL's butt last weekend. The NFL did not even come close.
Please re-read my post and the article you just quoted. You're comparing a CFL playoff game with a NFL regular season game. 2.7 million Canadians watched the NFC final last playoffs, while 2.2 million watched the Brady-Manning match for the AFC final. Comparing playoffs with playoffs, the CFL did not better last Sunday: Eskimos at the Stampeders = 1,505,000; Alouettes at the Tiger-Cats = 1,234,000. Less of 2.8 million combined for two playoffs games. The NFL had 635,000 views the same day for Lions vs. the Patriots and Packers vs. the Vikings on CTV, not bad for just regular season games.

And it's not even true that NFL ratings go up until the CFL season is over, these are the ratings from 21 Oct

1. NHL, Leafs-Wings/Avs-Habs/Jackets-Sens/Bruins-Sabres, Saturday, CBC: 2,200,000
2. NFL, Vikes-Bills/Panthers-Packers/Seahawks-Rams/Bengals-Colts, Sunday, CTV: 893,000
3. NFL. Giants-Cowboys/Chiefs-Chargers, Sunday, CTV: 873,000
4. NHL, Lightning at Canucks, Saturday, CBC: 885,000
5. CFL, Eskimos at Riders, Sunday, TSN: 732,000
6. NHL, Red Wings at Maple Leafs, Friday, Sportsnet Ontario: 723,000
7. CFL, Alouettes at Argos, Saturday, TSN: 591,000
8. CFL, Stamps at Bombers, Saturday, TSN: 565,000
9. NFL, 49ers at Broncos, Sunday, TSN: 492,000 (NBC viewers not measured)
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Please re-read my post and the article you just quoted. You're comparing a CFL playoff game with a NFL regular season game. 2.7 million Canadians watched the NFC final last playoffs, while 2.2 million watched the Brady-Manning match for the AFC final. Comparing playoffs with playoffs, the CFL did not better last Sunday: Eskimos at the Stampeders = 1,505,000; Alouettes at the Tiger-Cats = 1,234,000. Less of 2.8 million combined for two playoffs games. The NFL had 635,000 views the same day for Lions vs. the Patriots and Packers vs. the Vikings on CTV, not bad for just regular season games.

And it's not even true that NFL ratings go up until the CFL season is over, these are the ratings from 21 Oct

1. NHL, Leafs-Wings/Avs-Habs/Jackets-Sens/Bruins-Sabres, Saturday, CBC: 2,200,000
2. NFL, Vikes-Bills/Panthers-Packers/Seahawks-Rams/Bengals-Colts, Sunday, CTV: 893,000
3. NFL. Giants-Cowboys/Chiefs-Chargers, Sunday, CTV: 873,000
4. NHL, Lightning at Canucks, Saturday, CBC: 885,000
5. CFL, Eskimos at Riders, Sunday, TSN: 732,000
6. NHL, Red Wings at Maple Leafs, Friday, Sportsnet Ontario: 723,000
7. CFL, Alouettes at Argos, Saturday, TSN: 591,000
8. CFL, Stamps at Bombers, Saturday, TSN: 565,000
9. NFL, 49ers at Broncos, Sunday, TSN: 492,000 (NBC viewers not measured)
I know that you are just an NFL Troll and we really should not feed the trolls, but anyone can cherry pick a week of ratings to support their point of view. For example here is one from September 6-7 where non-playoff CFL games stomped NFL games.
1. CFL, Roughriders at Blue Bombers, Sunday, TSN: 1,107,000

2. MLB, Blue Jays at Red Sox, Friday, Sportsnet: 821,000

3. CFL, Stampeders at Eskimos, Saturday, TSN: 753,000

4. NFL, 49ers at Cowboys, Sunday, CTV: 683,000

5. CFL, Lions at RedBlacks, Friday, TSN: 668,000

6. NFL, Early games, Sunday, CTV: 601,000

7. NFL, Colts at Broncos, Sunday, CTV: 595,000 (NBC viewers not measured)

8. MLB, Blue Jays at Red Sox, Saturday, Sportsnet: 528,000

9. NFL, Giants at Lions, Monday, TSN: 495,000

10. NFL, Chargers at Cardinals, Monday, TSN: 430,000


Here is one from October 11-12 where the CFL stomped every NFL game except the Cowboys-Seahawks:
1. NHL, Pens-Leafs/Habs-Flyers/Sens-Lightning/Flames-Blues/Caps-Bruins, Saturday, CBC*: 2,230,000

2. NHL, Oilers-Canucks/Sharks-Jets, Saturday, CBC*: 1,310,000

3. NHL, Leafs at Rangers, Sunday, City: 1,007,000

4. NFL, Cowboys at Seahawks, Sunday, CTV: 921,000

5. CFL, Bombers at Eskimos, Monday, TSN: 843,000

6. CFL, Roughriders at Alouettes, Monday, TSN: 782,000

7. CFL, Ticats at Argonauts, Friday, TSN: 636,000

8. NFL, Pats-Bills/Packers-Dolphins/Lions-Vikes, Sunday, CTV: 606,000

9. NHL, Hockey Night In Canada pre-game, Saturday, CBC: 545,000

10. MLB, Royals at Orioles, Friday, Sportsnet: 503,000


It is nice to know that the NFL is out there so that you trolls who hate your domestic home league can suck on the teat of a massive American Sports marketing machine. The CFL is doing just fine without you. Depending on who is playing, the ratings are up or the ratings are down but regardless, the ratings are always pretty impressive. The CFL can hold its head up and it doesn't ever need to take a back seat to the NFL on Sundays. You want to be a NFL fan, that is your choice. So why don't you spend your time trolling NFL sites and tell them all about how they are kicking our butts up here in the Great White North. I am sure they won't really care. Go Argos.
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First of all, just because I'm bringing up some facts and I've my personal ideas that doesn't mean I'm a troll, neither you're authorized to make personal attacks on me for lack of a better argument or because you don't share my POV. Second of all, your post just denoted your inferiority complex as a NFL hater. No, I'm not a NFL troll nor I've a personal agenda against the CFL, just the opposite, I hope the CFL and university football in Canada will be even more relevant than now.

That said, that difference in viewership you evidenced it's hardly a "stomping the NFL", as far I'm concerned. As for the "I hate the CFL" you're way off bud. While I'm not a fan of any particular team, I regularly watch their games, and unlike you I don't despite any league at all because I can say to be a real football fan. I'm not sure if you know what that does mean. Football is football.

This is a forum, and everybody should be encouraged to share their opinions, unfortunately that's another basic noction you failed to grasp. Instead, you choose to insult like a child with no intention of developing a debate. That's your choice. Keep hating, I'll keep laughing.

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First of all, just because I'm bringing up some facts and I've my personal ideas that doesn't mean I'm a troll, neither you're authorized to make personal attacks on me for lack of a better argument or because you don't share my POV. Second of all, your post just denoted your inferiority complex as a NFL hater. No, I'm not a NFL troll nor I've a personal agenda against the CFL, just the opposite, I hope the CFL and university football in Canada will be even more relevant than now.

That said, that difference in viewership you evidenced it's hardly a "stomping the NFL", as far I'm concerned. As for the "I hate the CFL" you're way off bud. While I'm not a fan of any particular team, I regularly watch their games, and unlike you I don't despite any league at all because I can say to be a real football fan. I'm not sure if you know what that does mean. Football is football.

This is a forum, and everybody should be encouraged to share their opinions, unfortunately that's another basic noction you failed to grasp. Instead, you choose to insult like a child with no intention of developing a debate. That's your choice. Keep hating, I'll keep laughing.
Sorry Zack but there was nothing to your post but another round of CFL bashing, which we see a lot on these sites. Again I don't care if you want to hang with the "cool kids" down in the NFL, but what was the point about your post anyway. Oh look, an NFL game got great ratings compared to a CFL Playoff game. Oh look, the NFL (in a city of millions and millions) can sell out a 65,000 seat stadium but poor Edmonton only fills it halfway for a playoff game. Oh look, the corporate monster that is the NFL can sell out the Super Bowl, but the Grey Cup still has tickets for sale. For the record, the Grey Cup normally sells out a lot faster but there is a lot of price gouging for really bad seats this year. You are not sharing your opinions in a positive light and you are not looking for an engaged debate. If you are, then you really need to work on your debating skills.

Everyone knows that the NFL has billions and billions to promote their league and the CFL does not. Everyone knows that the NFL has unlimited funds to put on the flashiest shows with the latest computer graphics to provide the ultimate in entertainment. The NFL is corporate American excess at its greatest. What the NFL does not have is Canada. Sure they broadcast their games here. Canada is no different than Mexico, Germany, England and a host of other countries, but there is no NFL in Canada and there never will be. The CFL is Canada and is our only major domestic sports league. The CFL is not perfect, it is not wealthy, it is also not overpriced and it is fan friendly. It is a Canadian game played by Canadians (how many Canadians play in the NFL?). I don't care about NFL TV ratings in Canada just as I don't care about EPL TV ratings in Canada. Besides 800,00 TV viewers for a game, what is that, the equivalent of the viewers in Dallas for a Cowboys game. That is why the NFL does not care about Canada. Our whole country does not exceed the Dallas metroplex for viewers.

Everyone is looking for ways to make OUR game better. If you want to get into a positive debate on how to get that started, fine, go ahead a make some suggestions. Just don't start out by saying we suck.
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Sorry Zack but there was nothing to your post but another round of CFL bashing, which we see a lot on these sites. Again I don't care if you want to hang with the "cool kids" down in the NFL, but what was the point about your post anyway. Oh look, an NFL game got great ratings compared to a CFL Playoff game. Oh look, the NFL (in a city of millions and millions) can sell out a 65,000 seat stadium but poor Edmonton only fills it halfway for a playoff game. Oh look, the corporate monster that is the NFL can sell out the Super Bowl, but the Grey Cup still has tickets for sale. For the record, the Grey Cup normally sells out a lot faster but there is a lot of price gouging for really bad seats this year. You are not sharing your opinions in a positive light and you are not looking for an engaged debate. If you are, then you really need to work on your debating skills.

Everyone knows that the NFL has billions and billions to promote their league and the CFL does not. Everyone knows that the NFL has unlimited funds to put on the flashiest shows with the latest computer graphics to provide the ultimate in entertainment. The NFL is corporate American excess at its greatest. What the NFL does not have is Canada. Sure they broadcast their games here. Canada is no different than Mexico, Germany, England and a host of other countries, but there is no NFL in Canada and there never will be. The CFL is Canada and is our only major domestic sports league. The CFL is not perfect, it is not wealthy, it is also not overpriced and it is fan friendly. It is a Canadian game played by Canadians (how many Canadians play in the NFL?). I don't care about NFL TV ratings in Canada just as I don't care about EPL TV ratings in Canada. Besides 800,00 TV viewers for a game, what is that, the equivalent of the viewers in Dallas for a Cowboys game. That is why the NFL does not care about Canada. Our whole country does not exceed the Dallas metroplex for viewers.

Everyone is looking for ways to make OUR game better. If you want to get into a positive debate on how to get that started, fine, go ahead a make some suggestions. Just don't start out by saying we suck.
Sorry but I didn't bashed anything. I don't "hang with the cool kids down in the NFL". Since you seem so sure to know me, let me tell you something: I've start to watch football back in Europe a.k.a. soccerland, and the only thing we got there was only the NFL and only few selected matches, so my passion for football grew up in front of a TV broadcasting Giants games at 2 am. I came to Canada and I started to watch both college and the CFL.

I might have different views that you or other CFL fans here, but that doesn't mean I'm not allowed to criticize the league just because I'm a NFL fan.

I never say the CFL sucks. Never. You're putting words in my mouth. Feel free to read every comment I've post in this thread and you won't ever find me bashing the CFL. Like I've already said, I'm the first that would love to see our national league finally get over its problems and shine. But until that I'll keep expressing my opinions, and if you can't deal with my criticism then I fear a forum isn't the right place for you.

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Sorry but I didn't bashed anything. I don't "hang with the cool kids down in the NFL". Since you seem so sure to know me, let me tell you something: I've start to watch football back in Europe a.k.a. soccerland, and the only thing we got there was only the NFL and only few selected matches, so my passion for football grew up in front of a TV broadcasting Giants games at 2 am. I came to Canada and I started to watch both college and the CFL.

I might have different views that you or other CFL fans here, but that doesn't mean I'm not allowed to criticize the league just because I'm a NFL fan.

I never say the CFL sucks. Never. You're putting words in my mouth. Feel free to read every comment I've post in this thread and you won't ever find me bashing the CFL. Like I've already said, I'm the first that would love to see our national league finally get over its problems and shine. But until that I'll keep expressing my opinions, and if you can't deal with my criticism then I fear a forum isn't the right place for you.

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I am sorry, you are correct. These are words of encouragement and respect. There is no CFL bashing here.....

I was wondering.. How can the CFL be so blind? Playoffs in freaking mid November, scheduled on Sunday? Sorry CFL, but Sunday is NFL, they can't be so out of touch.. then they wonder why so many empty seats. 15,000 tickets sold for a playoff game in Montreal, for a metro area of 4 millions people, that's embarrassing at least (plus, Canadiens played against the Red Wings that day). You can't keep ignoring the importance NHL and NFL have in these markets.

Keep games on Saturday. Start the season early, keep with 16 weeks instead of 18, and hire a better PR and marketing team, for God sake.

Do you realize that, at Nov. 11, the Grey Cup final still had 6000 seats available, two weeks before the kickoff? If you look now on Ticketmaster, the upper bowl has thousands of seats still available. I don't know if that ever happened in a North American pro sport league ever.....
By the way, the 2012 Super Bowl in Indianapolis did not sell out. There were over 3,000 tickets that went unsold.

Anyway, last response to this line of discussion. Please debate someone else.
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I am sorry, you are correct. These are words of encouragement and respect. There is no CFL bashing here.....

I was wondering.. How can the CFL be so blind? Playoffs in freaking mid November, scheduled on Sunday? Sorry CFL, but Sunday is NFL, they can't be so out of touch.. then they wonder why so many empty seats. 15,000 tickets sold for a playoff game in Montreal, for a metro area of 4 millions people, that's embarrassing at least (plus, Canadiens played against the Red Wings that day). You can't keep ignoring the importance NHL and NFL have in these markets.

Keep games on Saturday. Start the season early, keep with 16 weeks instead of 18, and hire a better PR and marketing team, for God sake.

Do you realize that, at Nov. 11, the Grey Cup final still had 6000 seats available, two weeks before the kickoff? If you look now on Ticketmaster, the upper bowl has thousands of seats still available. I don't know if that ever happened in a North American pro sport league ever.....
By the way, the 2012 Super Bowl in Indianapolis did not sell out. There were over 3,000 tickets that went unsold.

Anyway, last response to this line of discussion. Please debate someone else.
Oh, I must have hurt your feelings with my criticizing... And what "respect" have to do with what we're discussing here? Oh my goodness, someone is challenging the effectiveness of this league, GOD FORBID! Yes, CFL PR and marketing is most of the time mediocre for a +100 years pro sport organization, but I gotta say the recent TV deals have been a great move by the league, plus now the games are hired on ESPN3 in the U.S. so.. I'm happy about that.
I stand by what I've said. If that looks "bashing" to you, then grow a thicker skin.

p.s. there were less than 1400 tickets unsold for Superbowl 2012 in Indy.. in a 70,000 seats stadium. BC Place is 54,500 and the organization still got 4300 tickets unsold. You can make the math.

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By the way, the 2012 Super Bowl in Indianapolis did not sell out. There were over 3,000 tickets that went unsold.
So did it air on TV in Indy? I thought all NFL games - even playoff games - had to be blacked out locally if there was no sellout within 72 hours of kickoff. The very first Super Bowl was blacked out in L.A.
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Here are the most-watched English-language sports events for the past weekend, according to Numeris overnight ratings:

1. NHL, Leafs-Sabres/Flyers-Habs/Jets-Preds/Rangers-Pens, Saturday, CBC/Rogers: 2,200,000

2. CFL, Roughriders at Eskimos, Sunday, TSN: 1,267,000

3. CFL, Lions at Alouettes, Sunday, TSN: 874,000

4. NHL, Senators at Flames, Saturday, CBC: 635,000

5. NHL, Canadiens at Red Wings, Sunday, City: 572,000

6. NHL, Hockey Night In Canada pre-game, Saturday, CBC: 540,000

7. NFL, 49ers-Giants/Seahawks-Chiefs/Vikes-Bears/Bengals-Saints, Sunday, CTV: 507,000
I might add that the Lions - Alouettes game doesn't include the 450,000 who watched on RDS, the french language broadcaster.

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Yeah? Then why the Eskimos played in a half empty stadium in a PLAYOFFS game?

I'm sorry to tell you this isaidso, but you seem too biased and your hatred toward the NFL and american football in general might not help you to look at the things with a critical and objective way.
There are lots of reasons why Edmonton drew only 27,000 but your conclusions are erroneous. I also have no hatred for the NFL and US football. Being a CFL fan doesn't equate to hating the NFL like you seem to think.

CFL regular season television audiences vs. NFL regular season television audiences? This topic has been hammered to death many times and it's quite clear which league is most watched by Canadians. The CFL comes out on top by a wide margin in this country. Perhaps you should spend more time looking over all the data instead of the cherry picking you've been doing. Adding 3 NFL game together to come up with a number? Honestly.

Now that you've managed to draw this thread way off topic and take a jab at me at the same time can we now get back to 'Stadium and Arena Development'?
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There are lots of reasons why Edmonton drew only 27,000 but your conclusions are erroneous. I also have no hatred for the NFL and US football. Being a CFL fan doesn't equate to hating the NFL like you seem to think.
I do not think that, but it seems that way on this thread from the last responses.
Anyway, I would be happy if you can explain me why the Eskimos drew less people than expected.

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Now that you've managed to draw this thread way off topic and take a jab at me at the same time can we now get back to 'Stadium and Arena Development'?
I didn't managed anything, where else should we discuss about these matters?

Anyway, I'm sorry, it wasn't my intention to offend you.
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I do not think that, but it seems that way on this thread from the last responses.
Anyway, I would be happy if you can explain me why the Eskimos drew less people than expected.
I would be happy to, but I'm also bound as a moderator on this section to keep threads on topic. If you'd take it to the Canadian Sports thread I'd be happy to have a respectful and constructive discussion there:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...867746&page=74

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Anyway, I'm sorry, it wasn't my intention to offend you.
Thank you Zach. I do get put off when people paint me with an unfair brush. I've never hated the NFL or US football. My love, focus, and priority has always been Canadian football. It's what I grew up with. It's true that I rarely watch US football, but I don't think one can extrapolate that to mean that I have hatred for it.
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