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Old November 6th, 2006, 08:06 PM   #21
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I honestly believe that chicago has more people than the cenusus has stated. I belive that chicago has had over 3 million people for awhile, I mean if you just look at the downtown area it looks like a city of maybe 4 million people. I mean LA doesnt have even close to a downtown like chicago but somehow they are at about 3.6 million people(I know they have lots of sprawl). I dont know but I always felt like chicago seems and feels like a much larger city than what the census states.

I agree that when you focus on the downtown area or even say South Loop to Wrigleyville it looks like Chi is in the 3million+ ballpark, but if you ever go through some southside or westside neighborhoods, they look empty. Area's around Roseland and Englewood, you would swear that half of the houses are boarded up. Those are the areas that are really in need of some density.
Also, Wikipedia states that L.A. is just over 4million, anyone know how accurate that is???
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Old November 6th, 2006, 10:10 PM   #22
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I agree that when you focus on the downtown area or even say South Loop to Wrigleyville it looks like Chi is in the 3million+ ballpark, but if you ever go through some southside or westside neighborhoods, they look empty. Area's around Roseland and Englewood, you would swear that half of the houses are boarded up. Those are the areas that are really in need of some density.
Also, Wikipedia states that L.A. is just over 4million, anyone know how accurate that is???

I find that number to be highly incredulous.....LA in 2000 was estimated at a tad under 3.7mil.....now this is a claim of nearly 4.1 mil......that is 400K in 6 years......maybe but I doubt it
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Old November 7th, 2006, 06:45 AM   #23
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The California Dept of Finance estimates L.A. to be just over 4 million. Personally, I'd rather trust the individual state estimates than the U.S. Census. The Illinois Dept of Finance also has it's on population estimates but not for municipalities. Only for counties and all of Illinois in general.

BTW they put Cook County's population in 2005 at 5,453,000, which is about 120,000 higher than the U.S. census has it for 2005, and about 75,000 higher than the official count in 2000.


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^ I'm surprised Asians didn't grow. More and more, I'm beginning to believe that the census has their numbers wrong
Asians are growing rapidly in Cook County but not in the city proper (according to the census estimates). They are also growing fast in all of the collar counties, but especially in Lake and DuPage. For the entire Metro region there are around 500,000 Asians.
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Old November 7th, 2006, 09:47 AM   #24
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The main obstacle that stands in the way of a good population surge is the quality of schooling, as that is probably the main reason why middle class families start leaving the city in the first place when they start raising kids.

That being said, Chicago remains an important immigration center as well as one of the largest job markets in the nation - young urbane professionals and hispanic immigrants have good cause to relocate to Chicago.
While I agree this is a problem....I also think this issue is largely overblown, I know plenty of kids who grew up in the 70's / 80's who are doing just fine after "suffering through the terrible CPS"......you can despite all the snarlings of suburbanites everywhere actually get a decent education at a chicago school
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Old November 7th, 2006, 03:55 PM   #25
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you can despite all the snarlings of suburbanites everywhere actually get a decent education at a chicago school

While I agree with this, I think this is becoming a tougher sell to families in the city that flee to the burbs.

It is sad that Chicago is now closer to Houston in population than it is to L.A.
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It is sad that Chicago is now closer to Houston in population than it is to L.A.
Maybe, at least according to these 4+ million estimates...
.....again I just find that estimate to be incredulous......it an increase of over 400K in 6 years.....which will if that rate continues mean an increase of 700K over the decade.....even when LA was super booming back in the mid part of last century it didn't gain that many in a decade.

between 90 - 2000 LA gained around 200K so this would be more than a 3fold increase in rate over this decade.....again maybe but I don't think so.

We will all have to wait and see until 2010.......just my thinking is that LA will come in around 3.9 - 4 or so and Chi a little over 3mil
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While I agree with this, I think this is becoming a tougher sell to families in the city that flee to the burbs.

It is sad that Chicago is now closer to Houston in population than it is to L.A.
i know you are joking about cps schools being bad in general,
the north side schools are improving every year,
especially with gentrification,
the northside has just as good highschools as the burbs,
especially northside prep, von steuben, lane tech, and others,

people that flee to the burbs, were from there usually and thought it was exciting to live in the city for awhile and arent true citizens of chicago, that whole freak out and move to the burbs to nest is an instinct or feeling i dont understand and would never allow myself to fall victim to.

and that instinct is way more prevalent in the milwaukee metro area,
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