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Old December 20th, 2015, 06:51 PM   #1861
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I'm curious what effect had on planes flying between Rome and Milan...
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Old December 20th, 2015, 09:12 PM   #1862
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In 2007 about 2.4 million people flew Rome-Milan, mainly with Alitalia and high yields (sometimes very high yields)

In 2014 only 1.4 million people flew Rome-Milan, still dominated by Alitalia but with very low yields

In 2007 it was by far the most important national flight route in Italy, in 2014 it is the third, after the Rome-Catania and Rome-Palermo routes
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Old December 20th, 2015, 09:13 PM   #1863
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As a comparison in the same period the Rome-Catania passed from 1,4 million passengers to almost 2 million

Without HSR, probably today the Milan-Rome route would be close or above the 3 million passengers
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Old December 20th, 2015, 09:15 PM   #1864
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And this still does not factor in the reduction of time necessary between the two capitals of Italy.

Next year, if all goes well, the fastest trains will take only 2:20 minutes instead of 3 hours.

The route will be devastated I think, I cannot imagine many people still flying after that, except for hub-servicing reasons. But there are very few norther italians that use FCO as a hub
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Old December 20th, 2015, 09:19 PM   #1865
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Milan itself is the best hub in Italy for long distance flights, right?
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Old December 20th, 2015, 09:40 PM   #1866
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Milan itself is the best hub in Italy for long distance flights, right?
It depends. Fiumicino has more intercontinental flights than Malpensa, but Milano airports have better flight connections to other European hubs.

Fiumicino also have double the movement of Malpensa. To prop Malpensa, they should close Linate altogether.

Alitalia did try to compete with the new high speed services in 2009 with "expedited check-in", promising "curbside to jetway" transit times of less then 25 minutes for boarding, it didn't work out though.
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Old December 20th, 2015, 09:44 PM   #1867
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Milan itself is the best hub in Italy for long distance flights, right?
Milan Malpensa is not a Hub, so the question is pretty clear. There is only one, which is FCO

THEORETICALLY the best place in Italy to have a hub would be some place around Milan, with easy access from the rest of nord italy by train/car and without the competition of a nearby city airport

But - alas - that is not the case
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Old December 20th, 2015, 09:47 PM   #1868
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Alitalia did try to compete with the new high speed services in 2009 with "expedited check-in", promising "curbside to jetway" transit times of less then 25 minutes for boarding, it didn't work out though.
That was their entire strategy

in a few years they had to be saved again, and the company sold to Abu Dhabi.

We are a bit OT, but it is interesting to see the impact of HSR on Alitalia

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In 2007 the Milan-Naples connection (through Linate) ratched 840K passengers. In 2014 it was only 630K.

The overall number of passengers rose, so this is significant. Also considering Milan-Naples by train is still a longish journey
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Another smallish route:

Verona-Rome

330K in 2007, less than 200K in 2014
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Old December 20th, 2015, 09:53 PM   #1870
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Less impact in the Venice-Rome route

From 600K to 530K
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Old December 27th, 2015, 07:48 PM   #1871
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Does anyone know what types of turnouts are used on the Italian High Speed Lines? I’m interested in the different possible speeds for the diverging tracks. I tried to measure some turnouts in the surrounding of Napoli (in Google Earth) and found a turnout length of about 125 m (between begin of the switch panel to the end of the crossing panel). I think this turnouts will allow a speed of 160 km/h. Perhaps higher speeds are not needed in Italy.

Is also known how the alignment of these turnouts is build? I prefer what I called the German alignment with a first transition curve from the turnout entry to the turnout curve and a second transition curve form the turnout curve to the turnout end. The other alignment is mostly used in France and has only the second transition curve. Resulting in a relative high jerk at the turnout entry.

Thanks in advance.
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