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Old November 2nd, 2007, 06:57 PM   #1
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[Indonesia] Foreign Policy and International Relations (IV)

Thread ini dirancang bukan buat panas2an dua negara seperti thread2 sebelumnya !!!!

SInce, the previous thread has breached 500 post counts. Here is the new thread for any foreign policy-related news (yang ada kaitannya dengan Indonesia)

And this thread also made for u to post any International relationship - related news (yang ada kaitannya dengan Indonesia)...


NO MORE FIGHT especially ABOUT ARROGANCY, EGO, MISLED-NATIONALISM , or WHAT-SO-EVER which will turn this peaceful thread into a HUSTLE and BUSTLE COWBOY FIGHTING ARENA...

For some foreigners who got offended with some news posted here,,, I EMPHASIZE HERE, "WE DONT CARE!!!" ... If u got offended, just posting the news on your own thread under your country subforum....
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Originally posted by ALVIN

[QUOTE=Alvin;16175360]The invisible giant of Southeast Asia
By Philip Bowring Published: October 29, 2007

JAKARTA: 'We have to be brave enough to ask: What would the world do without Indonesia?" When she recently posed this question to her compatriots, Indonesia's trade minister, Mari Pangestu, had in mind the country's role as premier global supplier of various important commodities.

But the question could as well have been asked about Indonesia's wider relevance to the world. Boastful it might sound, but the remark offered a counterpoint to the nation's extremely low international visibility, a result of the mix of deference, inward looking politics and persistent lack of leaders willing to make an articulate stand on the world stage.

Indonesia is about to become the president of the UN Security Council. That is unlikely to alter its international profile, but it does provide occasion to look at why Indonesia is rather more important than it usually appears, and at why it fails to leave much of a mark.

Indonesia is the world's fourth most populous nation, the largest predominantly Muslim country, the third largest (after India and the United States) democratic country, a 3,000-mile-wide archipelago dominating key international waterways - the Malacca, Sunda Lombok and Makassar straits.

But Indonesia is not taken very seriously as a Muslim country. Though the Muslims of the Middle East and Arab world in particular have much to learn from the tradition of religious tolerance at the heart of the Indonesian state, the Muslims of west Asia, and the Arabs who claim some special status as source of the religion, have scant interest in learning from the East.

While the outside world gets excited over the economic rise of China and India, it seldom stops to notice the equally remarkable transformation of Indonesian politics in the 10 years since the downfall of the 30-year authoritarian rule of President Suharto.

It now has the most open, extensive, decentralized democratic system in all of Southeast Asia, achieved possibly at some cost to economic growth but with little localized disorder, and with settlements of the Aceh and Timor Leste issues to its credit.

It is also a remarkably plural society to which the position of Pangestu, a woman, and ethnic Chinese and a Christian attests, and a cultural vitality that puts much of a money-obsessed region to shame. It is of course not without communal tensions and occasional bloodshed. But it provides a salutary contrast to its small higher profile, wealthy neighbors, Malaysia, a country of growing religious intolerance and deepening racial divide and Singapore, a state whose social and political development lags far behind its foreign investment-driven economy.

Yet despite its attributes and size, Indonesia's influence is slight. Its efforts at being a player have been half-hearted, and even its national airline does not fly to Europe. It should be the natural leader of Jakarta-headquartered Association of South East Asian Nations (Asean), this year celebrating its 40th birthday. But Indonesia's diplomatic voice is almost silent.

If any Asean country has a chance of persuading the Burmese junta to change its ways, to democratize gradually without falling apart, it should be Indonesia. It has made such a transition, albeit from a very different and more successful type of authoritarian government.

Unlike Singapore, Thailand and Malaysia, it does not have local commercial interests dictating policy to Burma. But a reluctance to stand up, to divert from a Suharto-era doctrine of "non-interference," to seize Asean leadership rather than be player in a leaderless team, has left the running on Asean's approach to Burma to the likes of Singapore, home from home for the Burmese generals and their wives.

Likewise with its economy. Indonesia may never has been a "tiger" economy and suffered more than any country from the Asian crisis. It may still have more problems with corruption and bureaucracy than its major Asian competitors. It even has had the temerity not to succumb to every foreign investor demand by providing levels of employment protection unheard of in China. Nor does it enrich its politicians as does China's Communist party. On a longer view, the 40 years since China and Indonesia were both traumatized in the mid-1960s, it has done creditably.

Foreign eyes may be on China and India. But looking ahead natural resources are likely to be scarcer than the cheap labor of those two countries. It is also less dependent, at least than China, on Western demand for Asian manufactures. Indonesia's mix of resource, base, attractive demographics, vibrant culture and domestic demand potential have mostly gone unsung, not least by a government so focused on domestic issues and local politics.

In short, Indonesia and the rest of the world could benefit much from knowing each other better.
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tapi kalo panas2an antar pulau boleh kagak....hehehe
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[QUOTE=Sade;16188742]What an encouraging article, thanks for posting Alvin. I found a similar article by the same writer.

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Indonesia Comes Alive
Philip Bowring
29 October 2007

Ten years after the Asian financial crisis, the archipelago looks well-placed to weather trouble

This could well be a case of the hare and the tortoise. So much noise is made about the rapid growth of India and China that Asia’s third most populous country is often overlooked. For sure, Indonesia still bears some scars from the Asian crisis of a decade ago and GDP growth of about around 6 percent is nothing very startling.

But Indonesia trundles forward and looks far better placed than most – not least China – to weather any sharp downturn in western import markets, or a financial crisis engulfing those who have allowed easy credit to expand longer than is prudent.

For sure there are grumbles from local and foreigners alike. Indonesians, especially lower income ones, complain about rising food and fuel inflation and increasing income gaps. Foreigners complain about bureaucracy, corruption and a new investment law that has a long exceptions list and often vague wording reflecting nationalistic instincts and political ploys. It still has no new mining law to reconcile foreign, national and local autonomy issues and spur the investment needed if Indonesia’s position as a mineral exporter is to be sustained.

Capital, especially foreign capital, frets about labor laws that provide levels of job security unknown in the likes of China and Vietnam. Everyone complains about inadequate power and shoddy transport infrastructure that is hobbled by uncertain relationships between the government and private sector and central and local governments. Parliament is fractious and the president’s need for a disparate coalition means endless delays and compromises. Cautious budgeting, administrative incompetence and price controls on power contribute to the problems. Centralized, big ticket corruption is down but the judiciary still stinks.

Indeed, to hear all the complaints it is quite a surprise to learn that the economy is growing at 6.3 percent, that non-commodity exports are faring well enough and that economic growth could well accelerate to over 6.5 percent in 2008. Domestic demand is strong, at least in regions where high commodity prices are flowing through to households and government spending on infrastructure should begin to kick in soon. With an election due in 2009, the government has every reason to provide some stimulus over the next 18 months.

The naysayers believe this relative improvement is largely due to a run of good luck with commodity exports. High oil prices are a domestic problem for the government, which has to either allow local prices to rise or see the budget take a hit. Overall, however, high energy prices are good for Indonesia, which is no longer a net oil exporter but does export gas and huge amounts of coal. Although new investment in oil and mining has been far too slow due to bureaucratic and political obstacles, plantation investment has been roaring ahead – bad news for the rainforest but not bad for employment and exports.

Then there are the high prices for palm oil, copper gold, nickel, rubber and most other commodities. Some of this may be unsustainable in the longer term, however, agricultural commodities could be seeing a longer cycle as global demand growth, boosted by bio-fuels, appears to be outrunning supply potential. That may not be the case with most minerals. Nonetheless, a strong case can be made for the argument that commodities now are in shorter supply than cheap labor in export manufacturing centers such as China and India. Indonesia, with a predominance of commodity exports, thus should have sustained gains in its terms of trade.

As it is, the terms of trade can withstand some deterioration and accommodate faster domestic demand, at least for a couple of years, without running into major financing problems. The current account has been in surplus for almost a decade, hit US$9 billion in 2006 and will probably be more this year. External debt is down to around 35 percent of GDP and public debt, approaching 100 percent just after the Asian crisis, is down to a similar level. The government’s budget has a deficit of only 1 percent of GDP, giving scope for stimulus.

Even the non-resources export sector is doing much better than is usually imagined given the complaints about wage costs relative to Vietnam, labor law issues and poor port infrastructure. But textiles and footwear have been more than maintaining global market share.

Overall Indonesia is less dependent on the US market –12 percent of exports – than almost anywhere in Asia. The largest market, Japan, may be growing slowly but overall Asia accounts for over 50 percent and the EU around 16 percent. Exports to China are 9 percent but growing fast – and sure to get bigger as it invests in gas and other resource projects.

Indonesia also has reasonable hope of gaining ground in the skill and creativity industries, from locally designed furniture and jewelry to high-value ceramics. Tourism potential is insufficiently exploited, partly due to the sustained fallout from the Bali and other bombings and partly because of the poor safety records of Indonesian airlines. It has so far attracted very few Chinese visitors compared with other SE Asian destinations despite its wealth of scenic and cultural attractions.

For most investors however, the biggest attraction is the potential of a domestic market underpinned by a steady rise in the labor force. Some middle technology industries like car parts and motorbikes now have volumes which can make them internationally competitive. It is reasonable to expect a medium term growth of at least 5 percent. Of course this looks unexciting compared with China and India, but since the start of the decade it has been achieved in the face of extremely conservative fiscal and monetary policies marked by a stable exchange rate and the rebuilding of a banking system, now with significant foreign ownership, with high capital to risk asset ratios and return on capital. In short, the country is living within it means. That could be a priceless asset as the world teeters on the edge of more financial turmoil.

There are as always possible political setbacks. A return to the instability and drift of the Megawati Sukarnoputri era – a possibility – is one. But change, if it comes, is more likely to be a reshuffling of existing players. Militant Islam is not a threat. Perhaps more relevant is the possible rise of Indonesian Peronism, a populist nationalism which appeals to some in Megawati’s PDI, and some in the military. But the risk of a serious ideological shift or social disorder is no greater than in India and probably less than in China.

None of this makes the Jakarta stock market or the rupiah a must buy at present. It merely serves to put Indonesia’s relative economic merits into a broader Asian perspective.
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tapi kalo panas2an antar pulau boleh kagak....hehehe
Emmm,, kalo Pulau nya beda negara yah gak boleh



Kinda remind me with TRIPTOHELL, wiseman need to stop first

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2005 Islamic Development Bank conference in Putrajaya concluded that Indonesia is well on its way to become a major economic power in Asia, after China and India. The world looks is increasingly looking more into Asia as growth in European and American countries are getting stagnant.

BUT, this is not an automated course; as usual, Indonesia has to fix a lot of internal problems currently faced (the everyday, natural home-made goodness such as corruption), and also the finding didn't mention about the expected disparity between the rich and the poor (or maybe it did, I don't remember).
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Singapura Jadi "Rumah" Koruptor

Penangguhan DCA Indonesia-Singapura

Singapura Jadi "Rumah" Koruptor
Indonesia

Laporan Wartawan Persda, Hidayat/Domuara
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JAKARTA, PERSDA- Ketua Kajian Masyarakat Anti-Korupsi Universitas Gadjah (UGM) Denny Indrayana mengatakan, penangguhan kerja sama di bidang pertahanan atau Defence Cooperation Agreement/DCA antara Indonesia dan Singapura berdampak terhadap upaya mengekstradisi koruptor Indonesia yang banyak berlindung di negara tetangga itu. "Penangguhan DCA ini pasti ada dampaknya terhadap ekstradisi, karena DCA ini satu paket dengan perjanjian ekstradisi. Singapura sudah sengaja dari awal, menyiasati perjanjian DCA satu paket dengan ekstradisi. Dengan ditangguhkannya perjanjian DCA sangat bisa perjanjian ekstradisi juga batal," ujar Indra usai peluncuran bukunya berjudul
Amandemen UUD 1945: Antara Mitos dan Pembongkaran di Jakarta, Kamis (8/11). Batalnya perjanjian ekstradisi yang telah diupayakan bertahaun-tahun tapi tak berhasil, akan membuat koruptor asal Indonesia aman berlindung di Singapura. "Singapura menjadi rumah buat koruptor Indonesia," tandas Denny sembari mengatakan, pembatalan ini akan berdampak terhadap ekstradisi koruptor, tapi di sisi lain, tidak akan mempengaruhi integritas negara Indonesia. Denny menerangkan, selama ini Singapura seakan membuat paradoksal. Di satu sisi, Singapura selalu mengklaim sebagai negara bersih, tapi di sini lain, faktanya banyak dana dari bangsa kita yang dilarikan koruptor ke sana. "Saya menduga, sebelumnya, perjanjian ektradisi itu sudah diantisipasi pemilik uang dengan capital flight ke luar Singapura," ujar Denny.
27 April lalu, Kejaksaan Agung mengaku telah membuat daftar nama-nama buronan 20 orang yang lari ke Singapura. Ke-20 orang buron tersebut ada yang berstatus tersangka dan terpidana dalam kasus korupsi. Hasil survei yang dibuat Merril Lynch Singapura akhir tahun 2005, total aset orang kaya di Singapura sebesar 260 miliar dolar AS. Yang mengejutkan, sepertiga dari 55.000 orang kaya di Singapura atau sekitar 18.000 orang yang memiliki kekayaan minimal di atas 1 juta dolar AS adalah orang Indonesia. Mereka rata-rata berstatus sebagai penghuni tetap (permanent resident). Jumlah kekayaan orang Indonesia di Singapura diperkirakan sekitar 87 miliar dolar atau setara dengan Rp 800 triliun.


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DCA Singapura-Indonesia

DCA Singapura-Indonesia Ditangguhkan
Laporan Wartawan Persda, Ade Mayasanto

JAKARTA, PERSDA- Perjanjian kerja sama di bidang pertahanan atau Defence Cooperation Agreement/DCA antara pemerintah Indonesia dan Singapura yang ditandatangani di Tapak Siring, Bali, 27 April 2007 akhirnya berantakan. Kedua negara sepakat menangguhkan sementara kesepakatan yang didesain satu paket dengan perjanjian ekstradisi. Penangguhan ini dikemukakan Juru Bicara Kepresidenan bidang Luar Negeri Dino Patti Djalal di kantor presiden, Kamis (8/11). "Ini kesepakatan antara kedua belah pihak karena memang dipandang isu ini terlalu sensitif atau agak sulit dimajukan dalam kondisi politik dewasa ini. Jadi ada kesepakatan untuk sementara ini masih sulit tidak perlu dipaksakan dahulu," kata Dino. Dibahas lagi kapan? "Saya belum ada tanggapan khusus mengenai itu, lebih baik tanya Menteri Pertahanan." Masih put onhold, berarti proses ratifikasinya onhold, berarti belum ada tanggal yang pasti sampai kapan itu. Jadi untuk sementara onhold."


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dulu bukannya Indonesia yang meminta "izin ekstradisi" dalam perjanjian itu yah?! kalo iya berarti si Sing bukannya sengaja menyiasati perjanjian DCA satu paket dengan ekstradisi donk.

"Saya menduga, sebelumnya, perjanjian ektradisi itu sudah diantisipasi pemilik uang dengan capital flight ke luar Singapura," ujar Denny. - ..."Saya menduga...." - doh! hanya sekedar dugaan, belum tentu benar, dan belum tentu dia menduga dengan alasan yang kuat, mungkin si denny itu cuma asal menduga aja

Anyway, gw tadi sempet kepikiran lho, kalo singapore gak ada, koruptor2 dari indo larinya mungkin ke Malay, jadi yang disalahin Malay, bukan sing. Kalo Malay gak ada, munkgin koruptor2nya lari ke Australia, jadi yang disalahin australia... Nah, yang bikin gw kepikiran lagi, apa itu salah negara lain kalo ada koruptor dari Indo singgah di sono? koq kesannya kita nyalahin Singapore kalo ada koruptor2 indo di sono. Apa mungkin kita sekedar jealous karena duitnya koruptor dipake di sono? What do you think guys???
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oh, tapi harusnya sing gak usah diminta untuk kasih ijin ekstradisi ya. Setahu gw ekstradisi antar negara tuh harusnya ud otomatis, gak usah pake minta2 injin dulu. Tapi fakta kalau Indo harus minta ijin extradisi dengan ganti sing boleh pake tanah indo buat latihan militer, jelas indo ngambek! Hahahaha

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Malaysia, Indonesia Sign MoU On Toll Highway Management


PUTRAJAYA, Nov 9 (Bernama) -- Malaysia and Indonesia today signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) on the exchange of information and technical collaboration on tolled highway management.

The memorandum was signed by the Works Ministry's secretary-general Datuk Syed Jamal Syed Jaafar on behalf of Malaysia, while Indonesia was represented by its Tolled Road Management chief Hisnu Pawenang.

Syed Jamal said the MoU would strengthen, encourage and develop technical cooperation in tolled highway management between both countries.

"The MoU outlines several technical cooperation such as the exchange of information and technical expertise, human capital development and tolled highway management in the planning, designing, construction, operational and maintenance aspects," he told reporters after the signing ceremony here today.

Also present was Malaysian Highway Authority director-general Datuk Mohamad Razali Othman.

Hisnu said the Indonesian government was building a tolled highway stretching between 1,100km and 1,600km which started in 2005 and scheduled for completion in 2010.

He said most of the highway projects in Indonesia were on Java island, and among them a highway connecting Jakarta-Samarang, and another linking Samarang-Solo-Surabaya.

"Ring roads are being built in Jakarta as well as a tolled highway in Makassar, Sulawesi," he said.
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Wah, bukan cuma "Rasa Sayange" dan "Indang Sungai Garinggiang" yang diklaim, tapi juga "Jali-Jali". Wah, emang busyet bener dah Malaysia....

Malaysia, Atas Nama Melayu Membajak Lagu

Kisruh pembajakan lagu daerah Maluku, Rasa Sayange, oleh Pemerintah
Malaysia belum lagi reda. Kini delegasi kesenian Malaysia "Cinta
Sayang" kembali berulah ketika tampil pada Asia Festival 2007 di
Osaka, Jepang, pertengahan Oktober lalu. Pada saat menari, mereka
menggunakan lagu pengiring Indang Sungai Garinggiang yang berasal dari
Sumatera Barat.

Entah lalai atau memang sengaja, Malaysian Tourism Office di Osaka
yang memimpin delegasi itu sama sekali tak menyebutkan Indang Sungai
Garinggiang berasal dari Indonesia. Kebetulan ada seorang staf
Konsulat Jenderal Republik Indonesia (KJRI) di Osaka yang hadir di
Asia Festival 2007.

Langkah sigap pun terayun dari KJRI Osaka. Surat protes melayang ke
Direktur Malaysian Tourism Office di Osaka, Azhari Haron, pada 19
Oktober. Tembusan surat itu juga dikirim ke penyelenggara festival,
F.M. Cocolo. Menurut Konsul Jenderal RI, Pitono Purnomo, surat ini
berisi peringatan keras agar Malaysia tak sembarangan menggunakan
lagu-lagu Indonesia.

Pada dasarnya, KJRI tak memasalahkan penggunaan lagu-lagu Indonesia
oleh negara lain. Hanya saja, harus disertai iktikad baik dan
kejujuran. Misalnya, menyebut dari mana lagu itu berasal. Setelah
mendapat laporan dari stafnya, KJRI langsung melakukan koordinasi dan
mencari informasi dari berbagai pihak. Hasilnya, KJRI mendapat suplai
data tambahan soal asal mula lagu Indang Sungai Garinggiang.

Lagu itu adalah ciptaan Tiar Ramon (almarhum) pada 1981. Seniman
Sumatera Barat ini mencipta lagu tersebut atas permintaan Pemerintah
Daerah Sumatera Barat untuk mengiringi "Tari Indang". Lagu itu pertama
kali diperkenalkan pada saat upacara pembukaan Musabaqah Tilawatil
Quran Tingkat Nasional di Padang tahun 1983.

Malaysia tak bisa seenaknya mengubah sebagian lirik dan aransemen lagu
itu. Apalagi jika ditujukan untuk menggiring persepsi penonton agar
menganggap lagu itu berasal dari Malaysia. "Kejadian ini nanti bisa
diartikan negatif, misalnya seperti menantang Indonesia," Pitono
menegaskan.

Malaysia seharusnya tahu diri, agar hubungannya dengan Indonesia tidak
semakin memburuk. Hubungan dua negeri serumpun ini sudah memanas
selama beberapa tahun terakhir. Penyebabnya, perlakuan tak manusiawi
pada tenaga kerja Indonesia (TKI), yang kemudian merembet ke warga
negara Indonesia di Malaysia, bahkan menimpa istri diplomat Indonesia
di Kuala Lumpur.

Sentimen nasionalisme Indonesia kembali terusik ketika Menteri
Pariwisata Malaysia, Adnan Tengku Mansor, tanpa malu-malu menyatakan
bahwa lagu Rasa Sayange adalah lagu Melayu yang tergabung dalam
Kepulauan Nusantara (Malay Archipelago). Lagu ini lalu dijadikan lagu
tema situs Kementerian Pariwisata Malaysia sejak awal Oktober lalu.

Padahal, Gubernur Maluku Karel Albert Ralahalu menyatakan bahwa klaim
Malaysia itu tak berdasar. Apalagi, Indonesia punya bukti kuat rekaman
Rasa Sayange dalam piringan hitam yang dikeluarkan Lokananta tahun
1958. Lokananta adalah perusahaan rekaman milik negara Indonesia yang
berlokasi di Solo, Jawa Tengah.

Toh, Malaysia bergeming. Lagu Rasa Sayange tetap menjadi jingle
promosi pariwisata mereka ke seluruh dunia. Tampaknya tren pembajakan
Malaysia belum berhenti. Buktinya, Hanindita, mahasiswi Indonesia yang
tengah kuliah di Johor, Malaysia, ketika naik bus ke kampus, mendengar
lagu Jali-jali yang dinyanyikan dengan aroma Melayu.

Tak hanya itu. Ternyata teks lagunya juga diubah. Frasa "merdu sekali"
dalam bait "lagunya enak lagunya enak merdu sekali" diubah menjadi
"dari Langkawi" (nama pulau wisata di Malaysia). "Sejak kapan
Jali-jali pindah ke Langkawi," kata Hanindita, yang menuliskan
pengalaman ini dalam blog-nya di http://tortlem.multiply.com.

Info dari Hanindita langsung direspons ratusan orang. Ternyata lagu
Jali-jali versi Malaysia beredar di situs berbagi video YouTube sejak
13 September lalu. Video lagu yang dinyanyikan Kenny Lee ini terkesan
jadul (jaman dulu) dan sangat mellow. Jauh berbeda dari versi
Jali-jali yang dinyanyikan Benyamin S. yang berirama gembira.
Awalnya, oleh si pengirim video, lagu Jali-jali ditulis sebagai lagu
daerah Melayu. Namun, setelah mendapat protes dari para pengunjung
laman situs itu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okHZx-c-wc4), pengirim
video berkebangsaan Malaysia itu menyebutkan, Jali-jali berasal dari
daerah Betawi di Indonesia.

Kasus-kasus seperti ini sangat mungkin terjadi lagi. Pada saat kasus
Rasa Sayange mencuat, Menteri Kebudayaan dan Pariwisata Jero Wacik
berjanji segera mendaftarkan hak atas kekayaan intelektual lagu-lagu
daerah. Semoga Jero Wajik tak sekadar mengumbar janji.

Astari Yanuarti
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Old November 10th, 2007, 05:23 PM   #13
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Ahhh... No respect to my neighbour.. I will never say that Malaysia is my neighbour or brother... It is bullshit..!!
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Old November 10th, 2007, 05:26 PM   #14
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OR PERHAPS THEY (MALAYSIAN PEOPLE) WANT TO BE PART OF INDONESIA?? THINK ABOUT IT !! IF THEY ALWAYS DO THIS AGAIN AND AGAIN, THEN IT SEEMS THAT THEY WANT TO BE INTEGRATED WITH INDONESIA... WE HAVE TO RESPOND THEM...
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Old November 10th, 2007, 05:33 PM   #15
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ampun deh emang bener2 susah bgt yah nyptain lagu?
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Old November 10th, 2007, 07:13 PM   #16
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Malaysia tak bisa seenaknya mengubah sebagian lirik dan aransemen lagu
itu. Apalagi jika ditujukan untuk menggiring persepsi penonton agar
menganggap lagu itu berasal dari Malaysia. "Kejadian ini nanti bisa
diartikan negatif, misalnya seperti menantang Indonesia," Pitono
menegaskan.
Argghhh,, can we get rid out of this kinda news ... ANyway I dont like the phrase "MENANTANG INDONESIA" .... Jawaban kok nyeleneh
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Old November 10th, 2007, 07:15 PM   #17
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ampun deh emang bener2 susah bgt yah nyptain lagu?
Bukannya SUSAH

Tapi kalo ada yang lebih mudah ( baca : NYOLONG ) , ngapain dipersulit ?!



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@ilham : This is a free forum lho ham...and you're not the moderator everyone here is free to post any news related to this thread and yes, we can't get rid out of this kinda news as long as the SOURCE ( read : MY ) hasn't stopped making any 'news' again.....

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Old November 10th, 2007, 07:32 PM   #18
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By the way fellas, anyone here can show us the number of patent for Batik and Keris that were done by Malaysia? Someone asks me to prove this patent....
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Old November 10th, 2007, 07:49 PM   #19
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By the way fellas, anyone here can show us the number of patent for Batik and Keris that were done by Malaysia? Someone asks me to prove this patent....
Malaysia patented Batik's technology..i mean, they produce batik with modern technology and they patented their technology..

and..

Malaysia never patented any kind of Indonesian Batik's Motif

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Old November 10th, 2007, 08:36 PM   #20
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@ilham : This is a free forum lho ham...and you're not the moderator everyone here is free to post any news related to this thread and yes, we can't get rid out of this kinda news as long as the SOURCE ( read : MY ) hasn't stopped making any 'news' again.....

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Well setuju ,,,

Tapi kalo berita2 itu cuman menunjukkan arogansi dan mislead nationalism ,,, malah kita yang jadi keliatan bodoh :p~ .... Well, aq bener2 rindu banget ama Indonesia yang dalam menyelesaikan masalah selalu mengutamakan Ke-ELEGAN-an ... Sekarang kita cuman kayak kembali ke zaman bambu runcing

Lagian aq cuman berharap aja kok , sebagai thread starter yang baik

tapi TS dimana2 juga punya syarat berita macam apa yang perlu diposting di thread tersebut ... Kayak aq buat thread INDONESIA NIGHTSHOT CITIES misalnya,,, aq juga pake syarat sebagai TS

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Well, SOURCE itu sebenarnya yah MEDIA LOKAL kita yang punya intensi untuk menaikkan kemarahan rakyat,, menaikkan level sensasi dan mencoba supaya OPLAH jualan mereka naik :p~ ... Kalo Malaysia nya mah dari dulu juga gitu2 aja ,,, kalo nyolong yah memang udah dari dulu juga,,, sebenarnya mereka melempar api juga udah dari dulu.


Well, ini source nya GATRA, kan ??? GATRA itu majalah RASIS yang mempopulerkan istilah CUKONG sehingga jadi lazim dipake sehari-hari di Indonesia, kan ????? Well, gak semua MEDIA punya tendensi memberikan "PURE INFORMATION" ... Ada juga media yang "MIXTURE INFORMATION+SENSATION" ... dengan sistem pers di Indonesia.... yang "MIXTURE INFORMATION+SENSATION" tuh gampang ditemui :p~ ... I want to read and seeking an info when reading newspaper NOT sensation ...

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well, kalo tiba2 nih thread didatengin ma orang Malaysia (yang SORRY TO SAY, kebanyakan) menyikapi masalah secara lebih elegan ... aq lebih baik menarik diri ..
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